Bob Lazar and Element 115

Originally posted by TheFlash
What do the facts that Lazar said that element 115 "cannot be synthesised" and the fact that it HAS been synthesized do for his credibility?

www.phils.com.au...

Actually it is true that the stable isotope of 115 hasn't been made, at least not publicly, but unstable ones as we know, have been produced...

So he wasn't being dishonest in his statement in my opinion.

There are some papers around the net that discuss current known technologies and how expensive and difficult it is to add neutrons to isotopes trying to find stable ones...

reply to post by dereks
Even Knapp admits he doubts Lazar's education claims:

Originally posted by GeorgeKnapp
I admit that Lazar cannot prove his academic claims. Knowing Bob as well as I do, I find it hard to believe that he would endure the many non-science elective courses that would be required for any college degree. That said, an exaggerated claim about educational credentials is not a death knell for his credibility in my view. (Unlike the Dan Burisch case, which is different on many levels.)

(From the link in my previous post)

Originally posted by buddhasystem
then Bob Lazar is one peanut short of a fruitbar (as somebody said in a different thread).

Your just miffed because he wouldn't give you a sample to work with

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
reply to post by dereks

 

Even Knapp admits he doubts Lazar's education claims:

Originally posted by GeorgeKnapp
I admit that Lazar cannot prove his academic claims. Knowing Bob as well as I do, I find it hard to believe that he would endure the many non-science elective courses that would be required for any college degree. That said, an exaggerated claim about educational credentials is not a death knell for his credibility in my view. (Unlike the Dan Burisch case, which is different on many levels.)

(From the link in my previous post)

well first of all S4 isnt going to hire credentialed academites that have ties to the outside scientific community. they hire young out of the box thinkers that can be easily discredited, that can be easily isolated and intimidated.

lazar was perfect for the job, except they didn't realize that he would have been smart enough to counter them..lol

of course he lied about his credentials, but not all. just the ones that mattered to his ego and credibility.

if everything else he said was true? then who cares about some silly diploma?

at the moment they denied he worked for the government private sector and attempted to cover it up. bob actually won, and it was an admittance of his story was indeed fact.

Guys....guys....guys.....There is a man (Zorgon's good buddy) who could end all this right now. Don't you know that John Lear and company decided that element 115 was too powerful and too dangerous to allow humanity to mess with it? To prevent it's misuse, Lear and company hid the sample in downtown Las Vegas and only they know where it is.

I for one would like to thank them for saving the Earth from the ravages of the potential mis-use of Element 115. But how frustrating for them, the one thing that would prove darn near everything they say is real they had to hide from us in order to save us. That's dedication, folks!!!

Seriously, look up the element 115 thread that used to be posted in Lear's forum. I can't make this stuff up. The ridiculous story, full of lies and contradictions should convince anyone with half a brain that the area51/element 115 story is nothing but a load of tripe, fed to folks that apparently like to eat tripe.

reply to post by IgnoreTheFacts


Implying that Lear's group was in possession of all of Earth's 115....

....Implying incorrectly.

reply to post by Exuberant1


Lear himself said he was in possession of it. For crying out loud, how much tripe are you willing to ignore to cling to your overwhelming desire to believe in the absurd and the least likely conclusion.

Just read this thread: Element 115 Question

If you still throw in and defend those involved then after actually reading it, then point blank....you are wondering around here with too much of an "open mind".

The element 115 story is 100000000000% fake, made up and a hoax. Thus, anything tied to the story and those involved with it (like bob lazar, etc) are also not worth wasting time on.

Unless you guys start throwing the baby out with the bathwater, clinging to a part of their ridiculous stories because you think they might hold a kernel of truth the only thing you are doing is making us all look like ignorant fools.

Originally posted by aliengenes
well first of all S4 isnt going to hire credentialed academites that have ties to the outside scientific community. they hire young out of the box thinkers that can be easily discredited, that can be easily isolated and intimidated.

lazar was perfect for the job, except they didn't realize that he would have been smart enough to counter them..lol

of course he lied about his credentials, but not all. just the ones that mattered to his ego and credibility.

First, how do you know what the hiring criteria for S4 are?
Second, if what you imply is true that no credentials are required to work at S4, then Lazar could have just said that and told the truth about his education and had a lot more credibility. After all if Lazar worked there (and presumably you haven't?) then Lazar should be more knowledgeable about the needed credentials than you.

So as gullible as we are (some of us) maybe even Lazar didn't think we were gullible enough to believe they'd hire people with no credentials so he made up the educational credentials?

So your claims seem to be self-contradictory and don't make much sense to me, since if your claim was true Lazar could have just said what you did, that he didn't have any credentials and they didn't want to hire people with credentials.

It's amazing how when storytellers get caught in lies that other people can make up even more lies to cover for them.

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
reply to post by Exuberant1

 

Lear himself said he was in possession of it.

Why don't you be a dear and post the quote wherein John Lear claims to be in possession of all of earth's element 115.

As of now your credibility is being called into question. (Well your internet credibility)

Now please, post the quote where Lear claims he or his group to be in possession of ALL of Earth's element 115.


*Keep in mind Lazar claimed the government had five hundred pounds of the stuff.

Now you must find the comment where Lear claims his group has all of it (so as to "prevent it's misuse" as you allege) - or issue a retraction with regard to the claims made in this statement:

Don't you know that John Lear and company decided that element 115 was too powerful and too dangerous to allow humanity to mess with it? To prevent it's misuse, Lear and company hid the sample in downtown Las Vegas and only they know where it is.

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Someone in the beginning of the thread asked why neither classmates or teachers have been found to confirm that Lazar went to MIT or Caltech. I had some thoughts on that.
Would former classmates at MIT or Caltech be willing to risk their careers to confirm Bob's claims about his education. Or even a teacher. I guess if you go to MIT or Caltech you will have quite a well paying job and why would you risk that?

"Yeah, I'm confirming that the UFO guy is not lying. Oops! now everyone thinks that I'm a kook."

We, who are used to this subject, tend to forget the amount of ridicule and stigma that surrounds this subject. I don't know if anyone has pointed out this in the thread before me. Haven't had the time to read the entire thread.

When it comes to the physics of the story I really can't say anything since my knowlege is very limited on the subject. I guess one can only listen to the interviews with Lazar, see the tape he made and read about him but really think that at least I won't ever really know if he is lying or not.

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
reply to post by Exuberant1

 

Lear himself said he was in possession of it.

Why don't you be a dear and post the quote wherein John Lear claims to be in possession of all of earth's element 115.

When the heck did I say Lear claimed was in possession of all of Earth's supply of Element 115? You OBVIOUSLY didn't read my posts, or the link where just FEW POSTS DOWN Lear makes the claim he WAS in possession of ELEMENT 115 and preformed experiments on it.

As of now your credibility is being called into question. (Well your internet credibility)

You have shot yourself in the foot due to you inability to read and comprehend. Although, I do understand the things I am showing you don't' jive with your pseudo-religious-like desire to believe in the absurd, so folks like you are keen to overlook anything that they don't want to see. Since your obviously confused (and making a fool of yourself) and can’t read the thread I linked to, I will quote you a small amount. It is a big thread, and you can find multiple examples of my claims about what Lear said, so you should read it and learn something about the foolish idea your defending.

Now please, post the quote where Lear claims he or his group to be in possession of ALL of Earth's element 115.

Again, I never claimed that Lear said he was in possession of ALL of the fictitious element 115. Just that he was in possession of some of it, failed to record any proof of it that he can show people (typical) and know of someone (or knows directly) where they claimed to have buried a sample in downtown LasVegas because they thought the stuff was too dangerous for humanity to play with.

But here is a short quote form the first page of the Lear/115 thread (which you should take the time to read before putting your foot even farther down your throat than it already is)

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by 3rdeye

John, since the video is currently out of reach, do you think you could shed some light on what kind of experiments you performed? And what the outcomes were?

Thanks

-Josh

The experiment was to see if Element 115 could divert the course of an Alpha particle.

Bob and Joe Vaninitti conducted the experiment. I watched.

We had a bell jar, some dry ice, a Coleman lantern mantel, an arrowhead shaped piece of Element 115 about 2 inches long and a video camera.

We put the dry ice at the bottom of the bell jar and then put the element 115 on top of the dry ice. Bob kept the element 115 in a hockey puck sized lead container that was cut in half and hollowed out slightly. I believe he took the top half of the lead container off and set the bottom half with the 115 inside on top the dry ice.

He tied the Coleman lantern mantel to the inside of the top of the bell jar to hang down about a third of the way which put it about 6 to 8 inches above the 115.

He put the bell jar over the dry ice (with the 115 on top) and started up the video camera and waited for the fog to form.

Its my understanding, because I was looking away at the time, that one alpha particle, radiated out from the mantel did a u-turn into the piece of 115.

A few years ago, when I visited Bob in Sandia Park east of Albuquerque I asked him about the experiment because I was then only slightly more knowledgeable about what the experiment was about than when it happened. I said, how many alpha particles went into the 115 and he answered one.

I told this story a while back on ATS and someone posted a statement that all it would take is a small magnet to attract alpha particles. I just tried to find Bob’s comment on that statement but no luck. Anyway the printable part of it was that it would take a huge device, I forget what he called it to get alpha particle to change its course.

Anybody defending the 115 story concerning bob/area 51, in my opinion, has to be defending it on purpose with the intent to make us all look ignorant....and you are doing an excellent job of it.....

reply to post by IgnoreTheFacts


Why are you pretending I believe John Lear and Bob Lazar?

Do you think pretending that somehow excuses your prior misstatements?
(regarding your implication that John Lear's group had taken possession of ALL of Earth's element 115 to to "prevent it's misuse" - as you allege)

And how could they prevent it's misuse if they did not take possession of all of it? ....You imply that Lear's group did, and I quote you: "To prevent it's misuse" which could not be done unless they had obtained All of it.

Perhaps you should make a retraction too?

reply to post by Exuberant1


Dude, just read that thread....your embarrassing yourself. You want to split hairs, go ahead and split hairs all you want. But the information contained in that thread was the final nail in the coffin for this Element 115 nonsense for me.

All I know, is there are people around here that claimed to touch/taste/smell and know where it may be buried, but their stories don't hold any water. It is hard to argue that point.

*rest of this post edited because I was being just plain rude and after I read it I decided that it was over the top for even someone like me.

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
The element 115 story is 100000000000% fake, made up and a hoax. Thus, anything tied to the story and those involved with it (like bob lazar, etc) are also not worth wasting time on.

And yet. thread after thread you seem to have the need to be the "Defender of Truth" and save all us "fools" from ourselves. Not sure your motive... surely by now you must realize that us 'fools' are not going to change our tune just because you call us names over and over.

And you know full well that sometimes the proof one holds.. cannot be shared

But by all means carry on

Originally posted by zorgon
Not sure your motive... surely by now you must realize that us 'fools' are not going to change our tune just because you call us names over and over.

My motive is no different than those that sit on the other side of the fence. Interest in the subject combined with personal opinion. So I guess anyone with a different take or view on something should just leave this place, even though they are interested in the subject? Got news for ya Zorgon, there is a place on the net like that....its over at glp, lol

And you know full well that sometimes the proof one holds.. cannot be shared

Touche, you have me there. But if I had proof of anything that would be the friggin story of the century, trust me I would just turn my head and cough. But it had better be darn goo proof, lol.

You guys can still believe in Bob Lazar, just give up on the element 115 thing and you have a much better case.

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
You guys can still believe in Bob Lazar, just give up on the element 115 thing and you have a much better case.

Okay I will shelve the 115... because right now we have Ed Fouche and his 'Mercury based plasma' drive to worry about. Bob has been out of the game for many years, we have a new kid on the block. So sharpen your axe

reply to post by Arbitrageur


i never said he didnt have "some" credentials. just not the MIT and the other ones he said he had.

and what i said about s-4 and the governments hiring practices are true.

they're not going to hire a fully credentialed scientist, that's going to possibly spill the beans to the scientific world.

Wow, I just read the entire thread and all I can say is Bob Lazar has a posse. The skeptics don’t really debunk anything besides their own intelligence. Has there been any developments recently to discredit his story?

reply to post by Beavis


Just to let you folk know, some member posted some site up earlier, it's on the hottest topic right now, sure someone mentioned files on Element 115. Hope thats useful to anyone. peace oot

reply to post by bobbydazzler


What are you talking about?