Bob Lazar and Element 115

Originally posted by buddhasystem
Bob (unfortunately) feeds you disinfo. Sorry but that's true.

Bob told his story a long time ago... then left. I find it amusing that people like Stanton Friedman, (Friday, January 14, 2011 NEW: The Bob Lazar Fraud) Ed Fouche and Alien Scientist (www.alienscientist.com...) are working so hard to attempt to knock him down Why after so many (20) years? Seems to me they draw more attention to him than anything, kinda like this thread

Maybe they are jealous that Bob is so popular

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
Guys....guys....guys.....There is a man (Zorgon's good buddy) who could end all this right now. Don't you know that John Lear and company decided that element 115 was too powerful and too dangerous to allow humanity to mess with it? To prevent it's misuse, Lear and company hid the sample in downtown Las Vegas and only they know where it is.

Yep he hasn't even told me where it is yet

But then... he isn't the only one holding out on me, right? ...

Originally posted by Beavis
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Thank you for showing your true colors. If being closed minded was an attribute you would be well endowed.

You didn't sound too lucid but it seems like you said that I'm closed minded. I find it hilarious that buyers of snake oil call the pharmacist "close minded". You don't know jack about physics. But you don't hesitate to judge.

Phew.

reply to post by buddhasystem

I've done enough work in nuclear and particle experiments to shed some light on whatever discussion may happen here. I work for Atlas now. When googling, add 'LHC'.]

Lucid? Anyone working at LHC would know the collider is one big superconducting magnet. You must be the janitor. How can you work at LHC and not know how the collider works.

The cryogenic technology chosen for the LHC was developed by the Commissariat a l'Energie atomique in Grenoble, and pioneered industrially for the Tore Supra fusion tokamak at Cadarache, France. It uses superfluid helium, which has unusually efficient heat transfer properties, allowing kilowatts of refrigeration to be transported over more than a kilometre with a temperature drop of less than 0.1 K. LHC superconducting magnets will sit in a 1.9 K bath of superfluid helium at atmospheric pressure. This bath will be cooled by low pressure liquid helium flowing in heat exchanger tubes threaded along the string of magnets

Originally posted by Beavis
Lucid? Anyone working at LHC would know the collider is one big superconducting magnet. So I did google LHC and I found out you are full of it.

The LHC is not "one" magnets, it's built with a very large number of superconducting magnets. And, building and maintaining these magnets is a separate discipline, which does not belong to particle physics.

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Ah ha key words here separate discipline. Did you ever stop to think that Bob might come from a separate discipline of science that you know absolutely nothing about?

Originally posted by Beavis
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Ah ha key words here separate discipline. Did you ever stop to think that Bob might come from a separate discipline of science that you know absolutely nothing about?

Beavis, physics education covers all branches of that sciences, but with different degree of detail according to your specialization. It is pretty much impossible that Bob comes from some unknown "discipline". Wait, I take it back. He used to run a brothel at one point in his life, so I indeed know close to nothing about that specialty of his.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
He used to run a brothel at one point in his life, so I indeed know close to nothing about that specialty of his.

I heard he installed cameras at one. And then got nailed for pandering after he confessed on the air.

Got any evidence that he actually RAN the brothel? There was already a madame there, so what does the evidence say about Lazar's role?

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by buddhasystem
He used to run a brothel at one point in his life, so I indeed know close to nothing about that specialty of his.

I heard he installed cameras at one. And then got nailed for pandering after he confessed on the air.
Got any evidence that he actually RAN the brothel? There was already a madame there, so what does the evidence say about Lazar's role?

I don't have papers that show his ownership. I guess I have only the internet as my source of info. I admit that Bob was not suited for the role of "madam", since he's a male. He was the technically minded member of the operation, as you said.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
I don't have papers that show his ownership. I guess I have only the internet as my source of info.

Oh now THAT is a comment worth framing. Your source is the internet... we all know that is 100% accurate. And all along I was under the impression you actually did research to back your claims...

That what you call 'scientific method'? "I heard it on the internet"

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by buddhasystem
I don't have papers that show his ownership. I guess I have only the internet as my source of info.

Oh now THAT is a comment worth framing.

Well, you know, I thought you would respect honesty.

Your source is the internet... we all know that is 100% accurate.

I have no reason to believe Lazar's claims any more than I believe a more realistic tidbit about his background, e.g. he owned a film processing shop. Which I found on the internet.

And all along I was under the impression you actually did research to back your claims...

Frankly, in the past 10 years the Internet has become THE source of information. If you expect me to hire a private eye to go to the Southwest and trace Lazar's going abouts, I hate to disappoint you.

That what you call 'scientific method'? "I heard it on the internet"

Zorgon, you sided with that fruitcake Lear for many years and guess what, you never flew to the Moon (and back). He hasn't either. You didn't travel to Venus where, as Lear claims, there is bustling life. Your sources of info are not a bit better than mine. With the exception of physics, because I was stuck in the lab for many months at a time, over the years, and had a great time. I was in four different accelerator experiments. I pulled 36 hour shifts when needed. So in that particular aspect, I claim superiority. As Lazar's dealing with prostitutes, I did confess my reliance on the available sources because I don't want to go to Nevada to investigate this. It's not my cup of tea. If this is the best "gotcha" you've got, I pity you.

Originally posted by aliengenes

well first of all S4 isnt going to hire credentialed academites that have ties to the outside scientific community. they hire young out of the box thinkers that can be easily discredited, that can be easily isolated and intimidated.

If a US government needs to say, hypothetically, reverse-engineer an exceptionally advanced ET craft, it would engage in a substantial project the best-educated and most intelligent and successful scientists of all sorts. And it would spend a huge amount of money.

Look at what they did for the Manhattan District project. They got Enrico freaking Fermi and hundreds of others. And yes, they all had "ties to the outside scientific community"---they WERE the scientific community.

Young 'out of the box thinkers'? The average age of scientists & engineers in Los Alamos in 1944 and in NASA in 1962 was quite young and they had many 'out of the box' thinkers, except they were highly clued in to actual rigorous physics.

Because if you want something that works, instead of mumbo-jumbo baloney, that's what you do.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
Zorgon, you sided with that fruitcake Lear for many years and guess what,...

Well see you just have to get to know the real John... and his friends... some really good times out at his place and up at the gold mine. And that daughter of his

You didn't travel to Venus where, as Lear claims, there is bustling life.

Remind me to post that remote viewing report I got from some members of PsiTech... quite interesting about Venus... seems the viewers got quite an unexpected shock But hey that is another thread

I was in four different accelerator experiments.

Really? Dang no wonder... what did they do to you?

As Lazar's dealing with prostitutes, I did confess my reliance on the available sources because I don't want to go to Nevada to investigate this

Well funny thing about truth... you do realize that a bordello is LEGAL in Nevada and a time honored profession? So where is the big deal? Anyone who knows Bob, knows he doesn't play by the rules... I mean the rocket car and the Desert blasts (where they just went out onto a dry lake bed and blew things up) should tell you that. And the ATF guy for Nevada was there too

Maybe your just jealous that you were stuck in that physics lab

Originally posted by zorgon
Well funny thing about truth... you do realize that a bordello is LEGAL in Nevada and a time honored profession?

I heard about that and I don't think there is anything wrong with Lazar's involvement in that. That's all I wanted to say. There is more record of that aspect of his activity, for sure, than about his non-existent career in physics.

Maybe your just jealous that you were stuck in that physics lab

I don't know, I never tried running a film processing shop or installation of audiovisual equipment in bordellos. I commend Lazar for sticking with his vocation.

Originally posted by zorgon
you do realize that a bordello is LEGAL in Nevada

This is what i am thinking. Running a brothel is not violating the law in Nevada (and it should be legal everywhere...what a woman does with her body is her choice, right? Isn't that the essence of Roe v Wade?). Using it against him is merely character smear. Cheap and unwarranted.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

Originally posted by zorgon
you do realize that a bordello is LEGAL in Nevada

This is what i am thinking. Running a brothel is not violating the law in Nevada (and it should be legal everywhere...what a woman does with her body is her choice, right? Isn't that the essence of Roe v Wade?). Using it against him is merely character smear. Cheap and unwarranted.

BFFT, where did I say anything about whether a woman should or should not have a choice about what to do with her body? Why did you even go there? Did I say that Lazar was a criminal because of this association? No, of course I didn't. It's funny though to see though what sort of reaction a mere statement of fact caused. I mentioned his professional history and you start a lecture on women and their bodies. Just wow.

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Hmm...then can you possibly let me know why you are bringing up information, that you admittedly do not even care to prove, related to his interaction with a brothel? If it was not meant to smear his character, what was your intent?

And, since it was meant to smear his character, does that not imply that you are inferring that there is something wrong with what goes on in a brothel?

I do not deny that i could stand corrected here....but unless you can explain your intent with that course of discussion, i see no other assumption that i can make.

It would be like making fun of someone for being gay. When you do that, are you not implying that there is something wrong with being gay? If not, then what is the point?

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
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Hmm...then can you possibly let me know why you are bringing up information, that you admittedly do not even care to prove, related to his interaction with a brothel? If it was not meant to smear his character, what was your intent?

The intent was to note that Bob has had a variety of life experiences that may or most probably may not have included physics. If I read on the internet that Bob was a cabbage farmer at some point, that would be the same to me.

If you want to construe something which I didn't intend, that's your problem.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
The intent was to note that Bob has had a variety of life experiences that may or most probably may not have included physics. If I read on the internet that Bob was a cabbage farmer at some point, that would be the same to me.

Well all that illustrious career aside.. I am really curious as to why suddenly he is top news after 20 years of absence. Stanton Friedman has a "New" Bob Lazar expose, Ed Fouche and Alien Scientist and friend have started a bash Bob campaign that has gotten nasty on another forum

So I ask myself WHY? If the skeptics want it dead, why are they the ones dragging it back to front page news? Surely best to let sleeping dogs lie, no? Ed is working over time to prove he is the 'real deal' yet why not just tell your story. Does he really need to attack the other guy to make his case?

Bob was responsible for putting Area 51 on the map for the public. It spawned all sorts of interest and A51 watchers. Does he actually have the 115? I cannot say yes 100% because I have never seen it nor do I know where it is... so I keep that on my "maybe" shelf

On Feb 2 John was interviewed by National Geographic... can't wait for that to come out and see how they slant that. I assume Bob would have been mentioned .

In the end, just like the Calif missile fiasco and the Turkey and Israeli UFO stuff... one thing is clear... it all comes down to ones belief.

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I heard about that and I don't think there is anything wrong with Lazar's involvement in that. That's all I wanted to say. There is more record of that aspect of his activity, for sure, than about his non-existent career in physics

Here's a clip from the Los Alamos Monitor, Sunday June 27, 1982. Non-existent?

It's not the car so much that's important. To Lazar, a physicist at the
Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility, the important thing is the jet engine.
It's something he's been working on for years. It started "awhile ago"
when working with another researcher in NASA on the technology. Lazar
modified the original design "and put out more power."

His first jet powered device was a bicycle, on which he hit 100 mph.
"The cops saw that and put a stop to it for fear of safety," he said.