Bob Lazar and Element 115

Read the Lazar transcripts. He was consistent in his story and very believable. Would love to talk to him about his experiences but he's not inclined to discuss them, which to me adds to his credibility.

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a reply to:gravitywarpdrive.com... suz62

a reply to: play4keeps

As much as I want to endorse this, because I am personally, a fan of Bob Lazar... That link looks like it time travelled from 1999 to 2017. It is obviously a moneygrab/monetization for that ridiculous marketing device on the page. (Blatantly using ATS as an advertising outlet.) This thread hadn't gotten a reply since 2013. This thread was nearly as dead as Bin Laden.

Can a mod delete that garbo? Or lock this undead Lazarus thread?

Classic thread…

RIP John

Bob explains the various isotopes of Element 115 in more detail -

a reply to: A51Watcher
When he first talked about a stable 115, he said we couldn't find it on Earth because our star wasn't massive enough. That was a dumb thing to say and pretty much proved he wasn't a physicist, his lack of degrees aside.

In that interview he sounds slightly less dumb, since now he's talking about supernovae as element factories. That much is true, supernovae do make a lot of elements, but his claim they wouldn't make it in our neighborhood still makes him sound clueless. If there was a stable version of element 115, Supernovae would make it and we could find it naturally, as explained by a real physicist:

Lazar Critique by Dr. David L. Morgan

(Lazar)…it should be obvious that a large, single star system, binary star system, or multiple star system would have had more of the prerequisite mass and electromagnetic energy present during their creations.

Now we get into some fuzzy astronomy. Mr. Lazar doesn’t seem to understand where heavy elements come from, or how they are formed.

First we have to assume that when Lazar says “large” he means “massive.” The “largeness” of a star says nothing about its mass. In five or ten billion years, the sun will be as large as the orbit of Mars. A star’s size changes drastically during its lifetime. It’s pretty clear that what Lazar should be talking about here is the MASS of the star.

The next section is a little vague, but he SEEMS to be suggesting that his element 115, the alien fuel source, which doesn’t exist on the Earth, should be present in those solar systems that were more massive at their inception. The implication here is that a star system which condensed out of a more massive primordial cloud should have a greater abundance of heavier elements. This is quite incorrect.

Heavy elements – all elements heavier than iron – are not formed during the normal life cycles of stars. The only time when these nuclei are “cooked” is during the collapse and subsequent explosion of supernovae. The supernova explosion then spreads heavy elements throughout the galaxy. For this reason, the abundances of heavy elements in any particular star system depend NOT upon the properties of the current star, but on the properties of the nearby stars of the PREVIOUS GENERATION! Therefore, all of the star systems in a particular region of the galaxy will have essentially the same abundances of heavy elements, regardless of the mass of star. If element 115 is STABLE, as Lazar claims it to be, then it should be created in supernova explosions and it should exist EVERYWHERE!

Also, Bob Lazar doesn't seem to understand the so-called "island of stability" which has been hypothesized to predict less unstable elements in the vicinity of 115 doesn't actually predict any stable isotopes of element 115, as one might naively assume if he just saw the "island of stability" term and ran with it.

In fact the half-lives of all the isotopes of element 115 have been predicted and none are predicted to be anywhere near stable. Most are very short, the longest being 4 days in this older prediction, as seen here:



Here is another graphic of more recent predictions, showing that no stable isotopes of element 115 are predicted, with the longest-lasting isotopes of element 115 predicted to have a half-life of less than one day:



So the science by real scientists refutes Lazar's claims of a stable isotope of element 115.
As Dr David Morgan said, "If element 115 is STABLE, as Lazar claims it to be, then it should be created in supernova explosions and it should exist EVERYWHERE!", which applies to *any* isotope of element 115 or for that matter any isotope of any element.

Tons of evidence Lazar is a clever con-man:

Why does Rogan believe Bob Lazar ?

His parole agent thought he was a clever con-man too!

originally posted by: mirageman
Here's what his Case Parole Officer had to say about him

"the defendant is no more than an intelligent con-man..."

Even George Knapp doesn't believe Bob Lazar's fictionalized academic history mentioned by the parole officer:

George Knapp - Area 51, Flying Saucers and Bob Lazar - Copenhagen 2014
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Link is queued to time index 44:57
45:14 Knapp: "I will confide to you this: I don't believe he ever went to those schools. I don't believe Bob Lazar could get a degree from Cal Tech or MIT for a very simple reason"

Then he explains you have to take courses in subjects like literature to get the claimed degrees, and Knapp says he can't imagine Lazar taking some literature course he wasn't interested in to get a degree. Plus of course they couldn't find all the yearbooks from MIT and CalTech and erase all evidence of Bob in those, and even if they did, Bob should still remember physics but he is obviously ignorant of real physics as the real physicist Dr David Morgan points out in the critique linked above.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

from what I get from your post , element 115 should be evenly (or as close to even as possible) Distributed throughout the universe based on previous supernovae explosions and ejection of heavy elements based on the distribution of supernovae within the universe

So are the elements on earth evenly distributed or are they clustered in various locations ?
because I see that rare earth metals and other elements arent evenly distributed on earth but seem to have formed in specific locations.

it seems that it could be possible that although the distribution of heavy elements would be even in the universe based on supernovae distribution

but the pooling or aggregation of elements maybe completely uneven when they form into their various planets and their terrestrial resting places? due to local gravity differences ?

anyway if as the scientist said element 115 was stable then it would be everywhere , and since its not been found on earth then the likelihood of its existence is nil

this study seems to suggest that after the big bang that elements were evenly distributed throughout the universe

JAXA study

so is it the case that supernovae then go about disturbing this even distribution after the big bang

and mixing it up so to speak

a reply to: sapien82
Responding specifically to Lazar's claim that a stable form of element 115 exists, and it could be found elsewhere but not on earth: Science predicts half-lives of all isotopes of element 115 to be unstable, so there is almost zero chance of any isotope of 115 being stable.

If there was a stable isotope of 115 it would be produced in supernovae, along with the stable forms of gold and lead we find on earth.

Yes you are more likely to find gold in gold mines, but the fact is you can't say that gold or any other stable element could be found in one part of our galaxy but not another, if there were supernovae in both regions. Even though you find more gold in gold mines, you still find smaller amounts almost everywhere, even in the ocean. There is $771 Trillion Worth Of Gold In The Ocean.

Earth's molten core and plate tectonics allow some heavier things to be brought to the surface. Without that, all the iron and heavier materials would tend to sink, actually that did happen, since the Earth has an iron core, but we can still find iron and heavier substances at the surface like gold and lead. They are not distributed uniformly in the Earth, but the article you linked says observations show they are distributed well in the galaxy, so again, Lazar's claim is falsified by scientific observations.

a reply to: sapien82
It's a complicated subject, but that article about research observations shows Lazar's claim that the elements are not spread out everywhere in a typical galaxy is false. The article says they are spread out everywhere, so if you could find stable 115 in the Zeta Reticuli star system you could probably find it anywhere in our galaxy. From your source:

This tells us that the chemical composition of the Universe is extremely well mixed, and that the mechanisms and supernovae ratios that determined the composition of our galaxy are in effect throughout the universe.

So, that's the actual scientific finding. The details of how that happens are somewhat complex but simply the supernova explosions are powerful and the timescales are vast allowing plenty of time for mixing.

its amazing actually that we know these things , we have spent a relatively short time looking at the universe and we have discovered quite a lot of things about it.
its really mind blowing as it is that this is the universe we live in with all these weird natural laws

its entertaining enough that we even exist never mind that there are aliens visiting using made up elements
what about the ones we do know exist those are already bizarre as it is.

like you say there is 771 trillion worth of gold just floating around the ocean.
wonder why no one has attempted to collect it all yet

small drones working in networks filtering the water and collecting the particles

so would it also be safe to assume that since the earths oceans are rich with particles of gold that other aquatic rocky planets like earth would also have vast oceans full of gold ?

its mental that we fight over resources here when we can just go into space where there is a never ending supply of resources, we should pool all our resources here and work together to achieve that goal
shame we cant all just agree to get along for the sake of the species

originally posted by: Sunsetspawn

Bob works for the government now? Last I heard he was with United Nuclear, the company he founded in 1986. If you click on the About Us and Our Site link you'll get some info. Also, I'm pretty sure I once found Bob's resume on that site, but I can't seem to find it now. And yes, it did list all of the crazy stuff that he "allegedly" did.

And as for 115, the Uup that was created in a lab was very unstable. All of the atoms decayed down to Dubnium (105) fairly quickly.

www.webelements.com...

A lot of debunkers quickly turn to this as evidence that Lazar is a liar, and it is these debunkers that are NEVER to be trusted. Using the quick decay rate of the lab created Uup to debunk Lazar is either totally dishonest or quite a bit ignorant. And even some the ignorant debunkers are dishonest because they debunk things while being well aware that they don't know what they are talking about.

The isotope of Uup that was created had 173 neutrons and an atomic weight of 288, and the predicted stable isotope of Uup should have 184 neutrons and an atomic weight of 299. simple.wikipedia.org...
As to whether or not that predicted model is correct is anyone's guess. However, according to Joe Vaninetti's diary, the stable isotope of the Uup used to fuel the discs has 156 neutrons and an atomic weight of 271.
Vaninetti's Diary.
If you aren't aware of the Vaninetti aspect of Bob's story, then you should give it a look.

I'm not saying that one should believe Bob's story because of this, I am saying that the 115 should neither be used as evidence for nor against Lazar. I am also saying that when a debunker uses the instability of the lab-created 115 against Lazar then that debunker is either promoting an agenda or protecting his own paradigm.

Oops, wrong thread.

Well if you use the Razor, Occam's, the scientists named the element 115 after reading, or hearing, or in jest, about Lazar's claims......case closed.

originally posted by: HuFlungPu
Well if you use the Razor, Occam's, the scientists named the element 115 after reading, or hearing, or in jest, about Lazar's claims......case closed.

That's one of the most ignorant posts I ever read. Scientists were talking about 115 and other elements in that range before Bob Lazar ever started talking about it, in fact Scientific American published an article mentioning elements in that range not long before Bob Lazar ever mentioned it.

www.scientificamerican.com...

originally posted by: HuFlungPu
Well if you use the Razor, Occam's, the scientists named the element 115 after reading, or hearing, or in jest, about Lazar's claims......case closed.

Indeed. Lazar FTW !