Have I Disturbed Some One? (Revisited)

Yep that one should work. The only other thing that your going to need is a few more light sources. Those ones with the LED’s around the lens do not have enough power to even light up a normal bedroom let alone an attic that spans the top of your house. So your need a few more infrared light sources, or one fairly large one.

Just make sure you keep the lens free of dust, and cobwebs. This stuff looks like Orbs and freaky things moving around the room, even though it’s just something tiny right in front of the lens swaying in the air currents. I have also noticed that normal light coming from under the crack in a door can do freaking looking things on those cameras (looks like the light is pulsing or moving like air on a hot road). Of course the less you spend on one, the more weird stuff it’s going to show onscreen, so you have to weigh out those factors as well. The cameras with the lights around them seem to be worse IMHO, it’s better to have the camera separate from the light source, but there are still some inexpensive one like that as well.




[edit on 10/28/2005 by defcon5]

I think the interesting thing about that one little snippet on the recorder is that it sounds like some one is messing with the recorder. If I turn the recorder on and then handle it (turn up the volume or something like that) it would make sounds fairly close to what that is.

defcon,

There is electricity up there. And actually there are lights, but I wouldn't feel safe running those lights long term because they are the old original wiring. But we do have an outlet up there that is newly wired. So we could plug in a lamp or something.

What an absolutely amazing read, thanx Valhall. Any new activity to report?

Yes, on Thanksgiving Day.

The primary activity happened to Springer, so I'll request that he come over and tell his part, but I'll tell you the part I had first-hand experience in.

We spent the afternoon at my parents house stuffing our faces and visiting. Later in the afternoon my daughter asked if her and her friend who was with her could go somewhere to visit other friends, and they headed over to our house for her to get ready. Since the friend was a boy ( ) and me being the vigilant mom I am, Springer and I left a few minutes after they did, headed to the house.

By the time we got to the house they had already left to gas her car. We had gone to my parents at separate times, so we had driven different cars, and Springer beat me home by a few minutes. I met my daughter along the way and gave her money for gas. When I was getting out of my car at the house Springer walks to the side door of the house and opens it and says "Did (my daughter) say anything about Bear getting out?" (Bear is our little dog.)

I answer no and he says - I can't find him. He didn't meet me at the door when I got home, and I've called him and called him and he hasn't come to me.

So I eventually go upstairs and find my daughter's bedroom door open (which is a no-no because Bear will go and drag things out of her room and eat them - damned dog) so I walk in and call Bear to make sure he isn't in there and I hear his tags clinking from in our bedroom. So I close her door and go into our bedroom and I'm calling Bear all the time I'm walking in. I can still hear his tags clinking from under the bed, but he hasn't come out. My first suspicion is that he has indeed dragged something from my daughter's room under our bed and is feverishly eating it. So I get down and look under the bed and there he is, but he doesn't have anything...he's just cowering under the bed. He slinks out from under it on the opposite side and I walk around and look at him and he's got his tail tucked under his legs and is just walking real slow. He goes over by his bed and sits down on the floor beside it and just looks at me.

Now - to back up. This damned little dog barks at any male that comes in the house (with the exception of Springer, my dad, and one of my brothers), and any stranger whether they be male or female. He's a pain in the butt. I've had him for over two years now and he STILL barks at my son every single time he visits. And I mean he'll bark at him for quite awhile after he first gets here. But the dog is also a chicken, so he does this 15 foot bark where he never gets near the person and just barks. If you try to approach him to pick him up and put him in a bedroom or something he runs from you and circles round the house and comes back and keeps doing the 15 foot bark thingy at the visitor. It's exasperating.

So I'm staring at Bear and asking him if something's wrong - like a true idiot thinking I'll get an answer when I hear my son come in downstairs. Bear doesn't move, he doesn't bark, nothing. He's still just sitting there staring at me. My son comes upstairs and heads into his old room and Bear still doesn't move or make a sound! So I head out of the bedroom and finally get him to follow me out and he starts down the stairs. I watch him as he goes down. He goes down REAL REAL slow, almost like he's hurt or something. When he gets to the bottom of the stairs he turns around, looks up the stairs and starts growling and doing those muffled little bark thingies. He does this for maybe a full minute and then goes away some where downstairs.

I come into the computer room and sit down waiting for my son to come in and about that time my daughter and her friend show back up (now remember, her friend is a guy and a stranger as far as Bear is concerned because he's only been here one other time a few days before and Bear barked at him all the time he was here). I never hear Bear bark. They come up the stairs and I say to my daughter, did something happen to Bear while you were here? And she says no, we never even saw him. And the kid with her says, you mean that little black dog? and I say yes, and he says now that you mention it, not only did we not see him, he didn't even ever bark at me!

Later my brother and his wife showed up for a few minutes and Bear always runs to him and jumps up in his lap. Bear didn't do that...he just sat in the living room floor staring at my brother, but never got close to him. Shortly after they left, Springer put Bear out for his evening "outside time" and he just set there the whole time staring at the house. The whole time he was out there he just stared at the house.

That's my part of this event...but something happened to Springer during the period of time between him getting home and me arriving. And I'll leave that for him to tell.



[edit on 11-27-2005 by Valhall]

Poor bear - he sounds traumatised. Hope he gets better

I want to preface this by stating that we watched the movie "White Noise" the night before this occurrence and that movie "got me" and got me good!

Ok as Val mentioned above, I beat her home and bear didn't come running to the door when he heard my truck pull up in the drive. This is significant since he is at the door waiting for me, all excited, 100% of the time I return to our home.

I went in, naturally curious, about where my little buddy was, and called his name. Nothing... I did a quick scan of the area, living room, dining room, kitchen, laundry/utility room, both downstairs bathrooms, wrap around porch, no Bear...

Since I was going to the store, I opened the fridge to see what, other than coke we might need.

Something went past me on the right hand side as I was peering into the fridge. I saw it in my peripheral vision, and I "felt" it. I mean the hair on the back of your neck sort of feel.

Assuming it was Valhall I started to say something. While saying what I was going to say, I walked into the laundry room and saw it was empty, turned around and saw her pulling into the driveway outside.

"Damm movie is messing with my mind" I tell myself and blow it off. I didn't mention it to Val when I spoke to her on my way out to the store, I just asked her if the kids said anything about Bear getting out.

I get back from the store, apparently all is well because as I pull into the driveway I see my little buddy is at the door waiting for me albeit rather lethargically compared to his usual.

Val tells me about his actions under our bed and how slow he went down the stairs and I start to wonder if he has been scared by something.

He NEVER misses an opportunity to bark and generally try to show "who is boss" to our son, in his little doggy way, but this day he was silent the whole time our son was home. That's unprecedented.

Adding these strange things together in my mind I decide to tell Val about the "persona non grata" who passed by me in the kitchen. All of a sudden the "movie got to me" theory doesn't hold water anymore.

I have no idea what happened here on Thursday, but something happened.

Springer...



[edit on 11-27-2005 by Springer]

Okay, this is really odd.

Something happened when no one was home, something that freaked out Bear more than anything that has happened when you are there. Is that correct?

The question is, was Bear just a witness to it or was he the target of it? Is his behavior returning to normal yet?

Originally posted by Relentless
Okay, this is really odd.


The question is, was Bear just a witness to it or was he the target of it? Is his behavior returning to normal yet?

He has apparently "observed" things we can't see many times... Looking through this huge thread there are several instances where Bear has been looking at "nothing" and growling, etc... I don't think he's been a "target" before but even a ghost would get tired of him barking at them I would think.

He's back to normal all right, our daughter's friend just showed up to go to Church with her and he is still "grunting" about it after barking like a lunatic when he first walked in.

Springer...

Poor little guy!! Ya'll have more patience with that 'spirit' than I would.....I'd have gone off on it about 'picking on someone it's own size' after that!! Glad he's back to his old self!!

I wonder, since he was looking at Val so hard, maybe the 'thing' impersonated her, making Bear think it was getting punished by 'Mom'.......that would have probably hurt his feelings more than being attacked by some strange thing or person!! You did say it had fooled other members of the family, making them think you had said things when it wasn't you.....

Wish you'd had the recorder going while you were gone....

Another thought......if Bear's good about going to the vet's, you might get him checked over.......especially if he getting on in years. We had a dog that had a stroke, made him seem like he'd 'lost his mind', but he was a bit paralyzed, so we realized it was a physical problem.......

Originally posted by frayed1
I wonder, since he was looking at Val so hard, maybe the 'thing' impersonated her, making Bear think it was getting punished by 'Mom'.......that would have probably hurt his feelings more than being attacked by some strange thing or person!!

Actually, that is exactly what I thought when reading this episode.

This thread is so wonder not only because it's contents but there is no ridicule, no ranting just openmindedness.
Well done people
I have many encounters, here's one of the nice ones. Liveing with my inlaws for a some time while my mother in law was in her terminal stage of cancer I was introduced to the Grey Lady. They where house keepers for a dutches in her huge "city" 400 year old home. They lived in the servants quarters. The dutches wasn't home. My first encounter was the lights being on in the hallway and sound on another floor. Asking my Fatherinlaw he replied OH thats just the Gray Lady if she likes you she'll help you, if you put something in the place she'll move it back!!! OK well. The hall way lights were on frequintly she did shove things to there right place, so I tried to do everything perfectly so she wouldn't get over worked,
One morning I got up earlier than usual and the coffee was brewing!!! (we prepared it before bed and my husbands uncle would turn it on because he was up early) No body had turned the coffee on. The Gray Lady. She was nice.
Keep the thread going.
WIS

Well I ran one of the pictures through two professional Kodak filters, and this was result... Judge for yourselves.

click the image
for larger version


This image was not filtered in sections, meaning both filters were applied to the entire image. Also, the areas where you see a saturation of color (such as just to the left of the boarded window and around the porch light) is where the first filter brought out areas of where there was the most light. I assume the camera itself was pointed in the direction of the window, so it more than likely is picking up the flash of the camera. Otherwise, you have a really odd area surrounding that window.


Now that I look at it a little more, that window doesn't seem to be in the middle of the photograph and the saturation seems to be of somewhat equal size on both sides of the boarded window. Thpooky

As for what's in the window to the right... I'll leave that for other discerning minds to decide.

[edit on 27-11-2005 by DrussRob]

DrussRob,

Is that photo the one with the weird ecto-thingy in it, or the one taken right after the ecto-thingy pic? Thanks for your work!

To frayed1 and Relentless,

Concerning the theory it might have impersonated me...that wouldn't be all that big a surprise to Bear, because I'm the only one that disciplines the little brat. So me getting on to him wouldn't be a surprise. BUT, if something had just happened where "it" was like me and I had bawled him out making him hide under the bed, and then all of a sudden here I come again acting like nothing's wrong, that would have been confusing to the little dude.

Concerning the stroke thingy. Though we can't rule something like that out, he's only about 3 years old and Springer thinks he's not even that old based on how he's just gotten certain teeth and all, so it wouldn't be an age thingy.

That was actually the second picture, after he had straightened up. Not the one that appeared to have smoke in it.

Hey, Valhall --
I saw this site for the first time last night and read it all the way through.
Very cool. It has some very very intriguing features.
I have seen a lot of things in a lot of places. I give you credit for your attitude and fortitude, and thanks for posting and sharing.
Here's my first impressions for what their worth.
Your house is great- the mods needed to be done. Whatever is there will just have to deal with it. Keep it up. Houses need to be filled with light and laughter. Old houses like to be fixed up and feel good.
The cellar and hooks dont give me any bad feelings, those are normal in old rural houses. I think your issue is all upstairs.

I have some ideas about what happened, but if it's not to much trouble, I have something I'd like to suggest you do. It won't cost you a nickel.

Set up a wooden table and chair in the attic. On it, place a book, a new candle on a candle stand, several sheets of writing paper and a pencil, a loaf of bread, and a glass of water. You can arrange it any way you'd like, anywhere in the room, naturally, as if you were reading a book and were going to write a letter. If you feel real ambitious, sprinkle flour under the chair where your feet would go.
Please be sure to take pictures of the table with everything on it from several angles, so that if it changes you can compare pics.

If you have another episode of attic disturbances, I'd be interested in seeing what happens.
You also really need to ask anyone who calls for Mrs X who they are and why they are calling. This is really important. Entities in a house are one thing - connectivity with outside people, telephones, things like that are a different game. If you could eliminate that to a simple billing error or such, do so. Occam's razor et.al.

Let us know what happens...
"Eliminate all other factors, and the one which remains must be the truth."

digtal huter i bet u loved this thread. This was the first thread thad made me come to this site and subscribe to it all. It was absolutely fasinating.

But the same as some1 saud, its facinating that its not in your house aswell. But i have had a few experiences myself. So i wish valhall good luck and its only scary because u know nothing about it....

Just an additional note - if it wasn't obvious in my post, don't light the candle. Also, if you are worried about mice or racoons use talc instead of flour and a plate of cookies instead of bread. Homemade is better.
Any book will do, but one that was in the attic would be best. Open the book to a random page.
Thanks.


"Eliminate all other factors, and the one which remains must be the truth."

Originally posted by Digital Hunter


Set up a wooden table and chair in the attic. On it, place a book, a new candle on a candle stand, several sheets of writing paper and a pencil, a loaf of bread, and a glass of water. You can arrange it any way you'd like, anywhere in the room, naturally, as if you were reading a book and were going to write a letter. If you feel real ambitious, sprinkle flour under the chair where your feet would go.
Please be sure to take pictures of the table with everything on it from several angles, so that if it changes you can compare pics.

That's an interesting set of items! I understand the flour, and I suppose the paper and pen, but what of the book, bread and water? Please tell.

You also really need to ask anyone who calls for Mrs X who they are and why they are calling. This is really important. Entities in a house are one thing - connectivity with outside people, telephones, things like that are a different game. If you could eliminate that to a simple billing error or such, do so. Occam's razor et.al.

I don't believe I've received any calls for Mrs X since the first year I was here. BUT, an added factor to that is that around the same time the calls stopped I had my number changed, so that leads me to believe there was a bizarre set of coincidences where my first number had belonged to a family who had the same last name as the original builders of this house.