Have I Disturbed Some One? (Revisited)

Nice job Zedd . Notice, how "grannies" eyes and mouth seem to be either black or non existent. Thats creepy. It looks as if she was stearing straight into the lens.

[edit on 29-8-2005 by TheDarkFlame]

In the first set of pics that you uploaded Val, I saw the two faces in the window (almost like a Mother and Child), and I saw the image on the plywood window. R helped me see the huge face in Springer's pic - which I NOW see very clearly, (and yep, I'll agree with you - I also just about wet myself and it's not even my house!) and he looks somewhat if not very angry it seems. Just as those eyes that, I believe it was Frayed1 that enhanced the b/w photos, looked angry too. The "brows" look like they are frowing. I've seen the baby doll face in the new pics you uploaded and I also see the "old lady in the chair". However, in the "timed sunset pics" if you will, the "new" set of pics you uploaded, I don't see ANY images in the window of your daughter's room. I only see the ladder - maybe someone else sees something different. I also don't see anything on the plywood window any longer either. I think you caught them on a good night or that they wanted you to see them for some reason.

wow this is becoming interesting.

Im not sure about the woman, but i definately see the baby at the window. And thats after convincing myself not to see what i wanted to see, to see the shapes as random coincidences, that there something else etc. But no, i still see an ectoey baby.

This could be a turning point if theyre actually becoming willing to show themselves to you.

Many a time it has been pondered about why ghosts dont just appear in human form, right in front of us. (discounting obvious theory that they dont exist, as debating that, while it is a good idea to question ourselves, it isnt why we're here and would only draw us away from he main point)

1# Maybe they dont have the ability.

2# Many "mediums" say that most aware spirits (i presume good spirits) realise that for some reason the living are struck with some kind of natural terror when they experience anything "ghostly". Because of that they steer clear of manifesting human form.

3# Others say that they simply dont have enough energy to manifest (which is why i suggested means of releasing energy into the rooms, if you wanted to get a better response.
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ANYWAY my point was to do with the second theory, that once spirits realise you are fully aware of them, and fully ok with them being around you (as in you dont freeze in terror at the slightest noise - i hope?), they know they can trust you, and contact you, without fear of frightening you to death. Also apparently it is a frightening thing sometimes, being dead, and it doesnt help people screaming in terror. Some say that spirits, being on another plain of existence, that they are affected by negative emotions, thoughts etc, perhaps even to the extent that it hurts them.

Which is why it is good if you arent scared of what you could see, (try not to be scared of the unknown, although it is an personality trait of humans that we got from our being-hunted-by-lions days) and also are in a good mood, thinking happy thoughts, arent tired etc.

So it is hopeful, as you become more and more accustomed to their presence, that they will become less fearful of 1st contact. AND btw it is helpful to state this, it might seem a tad silly but just say out loud "There is nothing to fear from me, I am not fearful of you, just interested in you. I want to know your story, get to know your reasons for being here. I promise that if you contact me, i will do my best not to feel negatively, not to scream or run away, just to sit, calmy, here on this chair/couch/table (whatever). Or something along those lines perhaps.

One thing is clear though they do seem to want to show themselves more, perhaps it will keep increasing, if you help them. I still think you should try a Jacobs Ladder, (previous post), that is, if you want to see them?

OK, I should have posted this earlier but Katrina and home life intervened.

I only received U2Us from a couple of members. Below is their thoughts on what can be seen in the photos.

Relentless

I see a face, as if someone is standing right at the other side of Springer's lense looking back.

frayed1

I believe it's the third photo...the one taken after the 'unfocused' or 'ecto' photo, I see a vague face in the upstairs window.... In the second photo, the one with the 'ecto' or light smears...I see a larger, or closer, face in the upper right of the 'ecto' ...it's level with the second floor. Neither face seems exactly human.
I increased the intensity and contrast in these photos, uploaded copies and posted them in the thread.

If you have any ideas please post them on this thread.

It would be interesting to know what's been happening in the ghostly realm during the last few weeks?

I suppose that if the ghosts can get energy from their surroundings (namely from the living) now there would've been a lot to catch with all the activity (and frustration) over at Valhalls and Springers place because of Katrina etc.

Val, care to give us an update if you have time?

Thanks for asking, count. There actually has been a little bit of weirdness and I have intentionally not posted because it didn't feel right to be discussing this trivial stuff during the Katrina tragedy.

In the past week Bear has been a bit perturbed. Springer has been going to bed very early the past few days due to health issues, and my daughter has worked the past two nights - that's just to let you know that there was no one moving about the house the past two nights while Bear was behaving strangely.

The first occurrence of weirdness with Bear happened about 1 week ago. A girl that my daughter knows but tries to avoid because the girl has gotten off on a very bad path right now and is hanging out with a group that is into questionable activity that my daughter wants no part of, has apparently just moved back to the same school district as my daughter. Last week this girl showed up about 9 to 9:30 at night banging on the front door. Bear went nuts and started barking and we headed to the front door. The girl and a boy were at the front door and a carload of teenagers were waiting in the drive way. The girl asked if my daughter was home and I told her no. She then asked if something was wrong, and I explained to her that there wouldn't be anything wrong unless she was trying to make trouble for my daughter (which she has in the past). She laughed an insincere laugh and said that she was just wanting to see her now that she was back in town. They all leave.

Bear and I headed to the computer room upstairs and for a solid hour after they left it was like they were still just outside the front door. Bear would lay there in the computer room floor and bark and growl and then he would get up go down the stairs, bark and growl at the front door, and then come back upstairs and start it all over. I kidded with my daughter that it was like this girl had left some bad ju-ju on the front porch.

But then Bear started behaving that way again two nights ago. Another hour to hour and a half period where he did the exact same pattern of behavior...only this time when he would start down the stairs, he never went more than halfway down them. He would get about halfway, bark and growl, and then come back. After checking the front porch and side porch a couple of times in that period and never seeing anybody or anything. I eventually started getting irritated at him and telling him to shut the heck up.

And then he did it again last night. This time it didn't last as long. I'd estimate he acted that way for about a 1/2 hour.

That's really all we've got to report right now. Everything else has been okie-dokie.

I clicked on this thread because it was in new posts (yesterday) and i didn't have any idea how long it was. so after most all yesterday evening, i have had to continue this morning

my goodness, but it's a page-turner. this thread is simply gobsmacking! it is the most fascinating real-life ghost story i have ever read.

after now having read everything, it's clear i'm hooked. your story is so real and 'normal'. i know you're not fabricating otherwise, i believe, you'd have come up with far more 'hokey' sort of stuff.

while i have nothing of import to say, i thank you very, very much for sharing your story.

above all, it's fantastic you have made note of so much that has been happening in the house over the last couple of years. a valuable resource.

i wish you and your family well, Valhall.

Wow, I mean wow, I've never posted on these boards before but I've been absolutely riveted to your account. I'm a total skeptic about this kind of stuff, but your sincerity, and the audio clips have freaked me out. Now I'm gonna go home and be paying attention to all the little things that happen in my house.

Now, maybe this is because I'm weird like this, but the "ecto" in that original shot, to me, looks like a knife. But hey, I'm just a freak like that anyway, so don't really look into that too far, I can't judge distance in that shot, so maybe I'm just seeing "shapes in the mist".

Other thing about that "woman in the window", when I see that, I think of an older guy wearing a big hat, sitting sideways, looking towards the left of the house. But once again, that's just me.

At any rate, whether or not my crazy opinions belong in this thread, thank you very much for an excellent read (7 hours). I hope it all turns out for the best.

Val, the house is looking fabulous; great job with the renovations. Glad to hear that things haven't become *too* spooky since I last checked in (jeez, you leave ATS for a while and *everything changes!).

WOW I cant believe I have been on ATS for a year and never ran across this thread! Long read, but well worth it.

Well, here is my take on it:

Mr. and Mrs. Smith are the main ones in your house. I say this MOSTLY because of the phone calls you have had. Also the dates you gave are quite important. The bit about the law suites are also important. Mr. smith and his sister are of Native American decent 1/2 Cherokee (I think).
Here is why:

8. In 1887, the Dawes Act was passed that allowed Indian families to hold 160 acres per family in 25 yr. trusts (the land could not be sold or inherited). The remaining Indian lands were sold as surplus lands and the funds were used to assimilate the Indians.
9. In 1902, Congress passed a law allowing the 160 acre allotments to be put up for auction upon the death of the Indians the got the allotments under the Dawes Plan. Their descendants had to buy the land.
10. In 1903, the U.S. Supreme Court tuled (in the Lone Wolf decision) that the federal government was not required to uphold treaties with Indians.
11. In 1906, the 25 year trusts under the Dawes Act were ended altogether. The Secretary of Interior could issue fee simple title to any competent person wanting Indian land.
12.By 1933, Indians had lost more than 60% of their lands and were landless and poor. In the reservations, the Bureau of Indian Affairs ran a colonial type of system. Valuable mineral and timber rights were accorded often with minimal participation by the Indians themselves. In the 1970's this was to lead to a resurgent American Indian Movement.

So, the second owner Mr. Jones (?) basicly took the land. That is why there was that lawsuit in ....I think you said 1967, after he died and it went to his daughter. You said that the Smith decendents came out of no where and tried to get it back. Well in the 1960's the govt. reversed what they said and were giving property back to the Natives that had been taken away from them.

As for the meat hooks, and the concrete cellar, I do believe that it was origionaly dirt floors. I think Mr. Jones added all the concrete and the hooks later.

I also have a different outlook on why the Smith's are there. I believe they are watching the house. They are good people. I believe that they are trying to show you/ tell you something. There IS something in that house you are supposed to find our understand. SO, next time you start hearing all that banging, go see.

Also, I do feel that there is a very pissy dominant male there as well. I feel the smiths and your dog are protecting the men in your family. Mr. Smith's Mom's Dad might not have been too happy about her marying the man she did and having 2 kids with him. I say 2 kids because I think Mr. Smith's older brother had a different mom.

I know that you dont want to talk to them. However, you need to find out what they are trying to show you. One time when I was down in OK (around the Grove area) for my friends wedding, there was this little cemetary. This lady told me that when they died, it was custom to burn all their things so that they could move on. Maybe that is what they are waiting on.

Now, for that pic with the house and the smokey looking stuff. I totaly saw the big face. TALK ABOUT CREEPY! Looks like he is facinated with technology.

Now, the Harry Potter book.....that kind of magic is frowned upon. I can not however ignore the page that was folded.

Anyway, you are doing great work on the house Val. LOVE the wood floors!

[edit on 18-9-2005 by mrsdudara]

Nothing freaky-deaky to report, just wanted to share some good news. Short of getting the closet door and room door on, we have completed my daughter's room! YAY! One down and the rest of the house to go!

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HEy looks sweet, I wish my room looked that nice...teehee.

Nice room, I'm impressed! I noticed something weird about picture 4 though. In the middle-right of the right hand window there appears to be some weird face looking in from outside. It isn't a reflection from the ceiling fan because that appears at the very top of the picture. It could just be some lamp-post outside or something, but I can't find it in any of your other pictures. Maybe it's just my mind trying to look for something odd. I zoomed in on the section where the weird looking face is. Just kinda weird is all. Cool room though!!




[edit on 5-10-2005 by Ajax]

Oh great, that's nice. It looks like a snake for pete's sake. There are no street lamps so that's not it.

By the way, these are the same two windows upstairs that are in the picture Springer took that has the ecto-blobby thingy from the outside. The right window you are zooming in on is the one in Springer's picture that didn't have a window in it yet and had plywood closing it.

Sorry, I didn't want to mention that I saw that, but I just couldn't help myself!! It looked too weird when I zoomed in on it not to point out. Very nice looking room though.

[edit on 5-10-2005 by Ajax]

Way too big to be a snake head. The eyes would have to be almost as big as a humans but the mouth does resemble one. Just one of your friendly "visitors" checking to see what you were doing, again. Have you tried talking to them yet?

On second thought if it's close enough to the blinds it might be a cat. Do you have one?

[edit on 10/5/05 by reblazed]

I think it might be the house across the street.

That's what I'm going with.

lol. We don't have a cat and that's a second story window.

Now that I look at it again the image is too far up in the window even if a cat was standing on your porch roof. You're right, the house across the street is the most reasonable answer.

I'm sorry, I can't completely catch up to all the posts and I don;t know if anyone has said this. It had been nagging me and I felt the need to post it. Just based on my gut instinct here, would it cost $2,500 to put the vestibule back where it was?

Originally posted by Reptilian_Queen
I'm sorry, I can't completely catch up to all the posts and I don;t know if anyone has said this. It had been nagging me and I felt the need to post it. Just based on my gut instinct here, would it cost $2,500 to put the vestibule back where it was?

With the way we do things, probably less to at the most that much. We do as much of the labor around here as we possibly can because we just can't afford to do it any other way.