Have I Disturbed Some One? (Revisited)

Yes, they added on the porch that wraps down the east side of the house and around the back, and added the balcony that goes down the east side of the house. Then the next set of morons screwed it all up We've got lots of work ahead of us.

And concerning the tree - DOES IT HAVE CHARACTER OR WHAT!?! Yes, oh yes, that grand-pappy will be staying. To give you an idea of the age:

This tree in 1906:



Is the same tree in 2003:



I've drawn a line on the original corner of the house to show that all that porch and balcony would not have been there in the 1906 pic and you could have seen the tree. So that post oak is way over 100 years old!

Well thanks Val i spent 2 hours reading this thread, and i am facinated. This has realy giving me the freaks. Idk what to say. Did you every find out the Brown connection with your family? Something that could explain the long "dead" periods that you have, you said that your neiborhors also experience these activities, do you think that the entity goes from house to house for a period of time? Any ways, great read, now off too be, keep up the good work.

My grandson was standing in the middle of the living room about halfway between us and the tv...being a little kid. When all of a sudden he looks over me and my son's heads at the west door. He smiles and waves...at something... and then immediately the sweet little smile vanishes and he busts out crying and starts rubbing his eyes like they're burning! It took over 5 minutes before we could get him to stop crying.


I have read through this story a number of times and i always get the chills when i read the Quote above about your grandson. And the poor little guy going from happy to terror, has he ever talked about the incident or have you been able to get anymore info from him on what he saw or heard when he looked at the hallway and door.

It sounds like the person who did the psychic reading about the abusive person scaring your granson was on the money. I just wonder if he( your grandson) could identify this abusive person from an old photogragh.
Parker

Val, I just re-read this thread from page one...( sorry I didn't realize you had other pics of the house posted--I asked after I had tried the early links, but I had missed the later ones)

I knew the 1906 photo was 'uncheerful'!! And that was taken before the questionalble guy lived there!!

Did you ever hear any more from the decendents of the Mother (as a child ) and the Grandmother shown on the porch in that photo?

Also what was the outcome of the sleep over you mentioned? Did they use a Ouija board--or were you just kidding ?? ( Be careful about those...I've had some unsettling experiences with them!!)

I think one reason you cannot reproduce the sounds that you hear,( because of the carpet, etc.) is that those sounds were made years earlier, and they are being "replayed" --Old houses or haunted sites are often considered to replay a 'recording' some how, of something that happened years before. While some occurances may be physically making a sound in the present as a result of movement of a door ( like the side door incident) due to the energy produced by an 'entity' in the present --physically.

I recently saw a program with Sylvia Browne ( there's that name again!)--she is some sort of psychic--you can look her up on the net--she said just to tell them, "you're not supposed to be here, you are dead and you need to go to the light, go to God!" ( My grandmother had a walking 'haint' in her attic, she took her Bible and stood beneath the foot steps and called out to him "What in the name of God do you want?" --she had been told to do this would make him answer or leave--he left. Too bad he didn't answer--he had supposedly hidden money on the property!!--LOL)

Well, I scanned the first page, but I'm afraid I don't have two hours to read through all of the posts, lol. Anyway, I think the story is fascinating! What makes it most fascinating is the fact that you have gone into so much detail leading me to believe 100% that what you have said is true and not fabrication. I just wanted to make a couple of points that might interest you if they haven't been posted already or if you haven't already tossed around the ideas.

1. This one I'm sure you have thought of since I may have briefly seen mention of it on the first page but:

This is the perfect opportunity for you to learn what you can from this situation if you are truly interested in paranormal activity. However, you do have the child/children to consider and their psychological well-being, and this I understand. Of course, if things get hairy...well, you can cross that bridge when you get to it . I believe I saw something about a tape recorder? While that will give you the possibility of tangible proof (though in this day and age and w/technology being what it is, that may not hold water), a recording will do little to help you understand what is going on in the universe. Well, instead of me seeming to tell you what to do, let me just rephrase to say what I might like to do in this situation. I would love the opportunity to just be able to listen...to hear what is in the air around me and try to do this with a partner that is interested in it as much as me and to relate all things that I learn to a larger reality of the mechanics of our planet. Oh my god, this would be so fantastic...to actually have the unique once in a lifetime opportunity to gain wisdom and enlightenment unsurpassed about life after death or spirits, angels, gods or what have you. Best of luck, and please keep us updated!

2. I've often wondered if I'm one of a few or many when it comes to feeling or having felt the presence of something not visible in our cosmos. I guess this part is more of a question than a comment, but haven't many of us had an experience as a child where we felt something strange at work around us? Something unrationally coincidental beating the odds of possibility? The feeling of seeing something out of the corner of the eye while deep in thought that all of the sudden is not there anymore when we turn quickly to look? There are just so many things that I have seen and heard both in childhood and as an adult to not consider that the paranormal is really normal but more or less ignored and given less priority than science and logic or tangible, material things. I try to think outside the box these days...a box that represents all that I have been taught or all that I have been TOLD to believe from people in my little environment and instead make judgments solely on my own experiences and interpretations...and it has made all the difference .

Strianissa

Originally posted by frayed1

Did you ever hear any more from the decendents of the Mother (as a child ) and the Grandmother shown on the porch in that photo?

I have spoken with the granddaughter of the original builder twice now. She was the one that pinpointed the age of the house. The only thing "bad" connected with the first family of this house is the daughter they lost to T.B. EVERYONE who knew Mr. Brown (that includes my 81 year old father) said he was a saint of a man that would give his coat to a stranger. I have no suspicions of him. But there could be something about the daughter. They built a small house south of this house for her to live in and she lived in there alone until she died as a teenager. The only person who would go in that house was the mother, to take care of her. That small house is still there (but the property has since been parceled off).

Also what was the outcome of the sleep over you mentioned? Did they use a Ouija board--or were you just kidding ?? ( Be careful about those...I've had some unsettling experiences with them!!)

No...we didn't do anything but watch scary shows...left well enough alone.

I think one reason you cannot reproduce the sounds that you hear,( because of the carpet, etc.) is that those sounds were made years earlier, and they are being "replayed" --Old houses or haunted sites are often considered to replay a 'recording' some how, of something that happened years before. While some occurances may be physically making a sound in the present as a result of movement of a door ( like the side door incident) due to the energy produced by an 'entity' in the present --physically.

This actually sits okay with me. I think it is a good hypothesis. Springer and I both believe that the loud "boom" that occurred last Sunday morning was not a "physical" thing of this time-frame. We are the only ones who apparently heard it (my daughter didn't, my grandson didn't, neither dog did), and we didn't "feel it" (no vibration in the house, the windows didn't rattle - and this was SO LOUD they should have).

Dear Strianassa,

Thank you for all your wonderful comments. And thank you for being able to tell that I have been honest. There are so many "little" things that happen around here that I explain away and never share here...and that's okay. I just want to be sure I get the "big" things recorded. For instance, when the "boom" happened last Sunday morning right after Springer had closed the widow's watch in the attic, I would not have been able to have made that connection had I not gotten on the board October 27th, 2003 and detailed everything that happened then. I actually made the connection by reviewing the thread!

As far as the recording, or making recordings, you mentioned something about evidence and such. I'm not trying to prove anything - which makes this whole discussion a lot more pleasant because I'm just wanting to share with anyone who is interested in following along - not make some one believe me or not believe me.

I'm not going to fabricate. There have been long stretches of nothing happening, or (like I said before), little things that I end up talking myself into a explanation and don't even bother sharing...and those gaps in activity are apparent by reviewing this thread. If it all were to quit right now...well, I guess I'd have nothing to add.

My main interest in looking into why these things are happening is because there may be something I need to do, or discover (maybe some one was mistreated, or something). I just want to know WHY this is happening.

We had our first case of poltergeistic activity while some one was present last night. Approximately 10 p.m. my daughter was in the computer room on my computer and talking on the phone at the same time (multi-tasking I suppose) and I was in my bedroom preparing for beddy-bye. Computer room and my bedroom are both upstairs. All doors were open at the time. As I was putting away something I hear a noise from somewhere else upstairs that sounds like something large had just fallen. My daughter comes running in my bedroom (phone still to ear ) and says "Mommy, a book just flew off the shelf!" I told her I heard it and I immediately followed her back into the computer room. She points at a rather large book laying approximately 2 feet out away from the bookshelf it would have been in and says "It didn't fall, Mommy, it came flying out!" The book was laying closed on the floor. So I pick it up and look at the binding and it was a hardcopy of Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire.

Wow it has been awhile, a flying book is not that bad based on the other stuff that has been happening to you, did you have someone come and clense your house or anything yet, or sage it?

TK...nope, we have done nothing like that. I have come to feel that unless something starts acting "bad" that I would prefer to find out if there is something that I need to do, find, uncover, etc.

I have a friend that can come and perform the sage blessing if need be.

I wonder if there is something in that book that is of relevance? Just a thought that crosses my mind.

You said a while back the your hubie tryed to communicate with it, have you tryed since, do you still do the recorder?

I tried doing an EVP, but have since been made to understand that I was not doing it in the best manner. Really, I would like some one who knows how to do one of these to come in and attempt one. There was a member sometime back who posted on this thread stating they were from a paranormal investigative team out of OKC, maybe that person will show back up and agree to come visit. I have not put the recorder out on voice-activate since capturing the bizarro noise - too much human and dog activity in the house since then.

On a side note, I saw the man that lives down the street the other day and asked him if anything was happening these days at his house. He stated that the radio had started turning on again, but nothing more than that.

well the radio turning on can be eletrical, in pur old house every once in a while my sisters stereo would turn on at full voulume. You have 2 dogs still right, how many people are there now?

It's been a while since I've gotten back to this post, but val...thank you. Thank you for sharing this wonderful story that's gotten 19 pages of responses, thx for sharing AS it happens and not after, and thx for pointing out that the forum is a great place to share, review, and understand.

Interesting that "it" chose that particular book.....a paranormal subject, so to speak. Do you have any other Harry Potter books, or others dealing with the paranormal - fiction or non fiction? Does the title bring to mind any of the occurances you have had?

Some religious groups have 'objections' to the subject matter in the Harry Potter series....maybe your 'entity' dislikes it as well? Were any of the past residents extremly religious ?

Don't know about the religious nature of the previous owners.

Springer is the Harry Potter fan (I don't read fiction). I believe he has all of them. But this one is sitting on a shelf by itself (relative to any other H.P. book). Also, Springer was aghast at the condition of the book...it looks like it's a hundred years old! The dustcover is gone and it looks almost like it has been wet and dried out. The pages are yellowed and wavey and stiff and crinkley. We did find one page completely folded in half long-ways. I have just pulled the book back off the shelf to see if anything of relevance is on the folded page.

It's page 21-22 in a chapter entitled Scar. The page is folded such that it folds closed on page 21.

Here is what is said:

"Yes, that would be Hermione's advice: Go straight to the headmaster of Hogwarts, and in the meantime, consult a book. Harry stared out of the window at the inky blue-black sky. He doubted very much whether a book could help him now...."

That's the part of the page that seems to be of interest. Page 22 doesn't seem to have anything that jumps out at me. There are no other pages folded over in this manner.

The other interesting thing is that Springer only recently moved up here. And with his move came his books. All of his books are still in the moving boxes...so, I guess, what I'm saying, is we're not exactly sure when this book got here, or when it got put on a shelf. But it being on a shelf (versus in an unopened, taped-up moving box) would imply it came before Springer moved...and none of us recall him bringing any Harry Potter books up here prior to the move. He's had this book for at least 2 or 3 years now, so it's not like he didn't read it some time ago, and long before I moved up here. That part is a bit perplexing.

Consult a book?......did you ever look through the books that you mentioned seeing in the attic?

And are you sure that is Springer's copy of that book? It would be something if his copy is still packed in one of those boxes. ( It gets curiouser and curiouser!)

No, I haven't looked inside the books at great detail. But I will now! and your second suggestion is interesting and makes me anxious to see what we'll find when we unpack the books!

The majority of books found in the attic were either textbooks for Speech, Literature, or Debate (because the last owner was the Speech and Debate teacher) or stolen library books (because his wife was the librarian). But here are a few that are more noteworthy and some could possibly be the original or second owners' books:

The Poems and Dramas of Lord Byron (1897 print)

The Complete Poetical Works of Robert Browning (two copies one 1912, second 1914)

Prose and Poetry for Enjoyment (print date unknown)

A History of English Literature (1930)

This one:

"Passions are likened best to floods and streams:
The shallow murmur, but the deep are dumb.
So when affection yields discovery it seems.
The bottom is but shallow whence they came.
They that are rich in words in words discover.
That they are [ILLEGIBLE] in that which makes a lover."

is Sir Walter Raleigh. education.yahoo.com...

This one:

"To reign is worth ambition,
though in Hell;
Better to reign in hell,
than serve in heaven"

is Milton. www.coolquotescollection.com...

Hi Val, hope you had a great Christmas!

When you get a chance, check out those on that shelf as well!

The collection from the attic sounds like someone from the past was a romantic. Some of that poetry....a bit deep. That 1897 copy of Byron might be worth something...in good condition. ( He was considered a bit 'satanic' in his time.)