Ukraine halts transit of Russian gas to Europe after a prewar deal expired

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise
That Russian gas has continued to flow to Europe has always been known. European countries had become way to reliant on Russian gas over last few decades and that takes time to reverse.

I believe the gas exports to Europe are now about 25% of what they were prior to 2022.

but but whatabout all that big money with Russian Gas going through Ukraine Pipelines all during this WAR!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

WHY NOW are they all oh-so concerned and firm?

Because breaking the agreement would have caused massive problems for countries that Ukraine desperately needed support from.

If that's true, why is Ukraine stopping the gas NOW??? Is it no longer important? Wake up 😁🤣

Because russian gas is now no where near as important to Europe as already said. With a few exceptions most European countries can now function without Russian gas at minimal impact.

. You just make this bs up as you go? You don’t seem to know what you’re talking about, at all.

Sorry facts don't agree with your bias.

www.consilium.europa.eu...

Yeah, they kind of do. I know you talk like you can never be wrong but you are a LOT.
So, EU just panics for no reason and everything is just fine, right? Oh please 🙄🙄🙄

A provided a link supporting what I said.

It's in the text you quoted .

What part do you think was wrong?

Russia’s gas export has slowed down since the war, yes but I guess we’ll have to wait and see how they fare with being completely shutoff. I would expect their gas cost to significantly increase if others monopolize the EU market, which I’m sure they will.

Most of the impact of moving off cheaper Russian gas will have already been felt. There are a number of different sources the EU now uses.

You didn't say how I was wrong.

And they’re going to pay for those alternate gas routes, they’ve already said priced are going up in 25.

You’re never wrong 🙄

Well you certainly haven't provided an example of where I was.

Actually I have many of times in your post, so have others but again, you’re never wrong are you?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: KrustyKrab

I was talking about the EU and the UK.

Yeah, I know carp👍

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise
That Russian gas has continued to flow to Europe has always been known. European countries had become way to reliant on Russian gas over last few decades and that takes time to reverse.

I believe the gas exports to Europe are now about 25% of what they were prior to 2022.

but but whatabout all that big money with Russian Gas going through Ukraine Pipelines all during this WAR!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

WHY NOW are they all oh-so concerned and firm?

Because breaking the agreement would have caused massive problems for countries that Ukraine desperately needed support from.

If that's true, why is Ukraine stopping the gas NOW??? Is it no longer important? Wake up 😁🤣

Because russian gas is now no where near as important to Europe as already said. With a few exceptions most European countries can now function without Russian gas at minimal impact.

. You just make this bs up as you go? You don’t seem to know what you’re talking about, at all.

Sorry facts don't agree with your bias.

www.consilium.europa.eu...

Yeah, they kind of do. I know you talk like you can never be wrong but you are a LOT.
So, EU just panics for no reason and everything is just fine, right? Oh please 🙄🙄🙄

A provided a link supporting what I said.

It's in the text you quoted .

What part do you think was wrong?

Russia’s gas export has slowed down since the war, yes but I guess we’ll have to wait and see how they fare with being completely shutoff. I would expect their gas cost to significantly increase if others monopolize the EU market, which I’m sure they will.

Most of the impact of moving off cheaper Russian gas will have already been felt. There are a number of different sources the EU now uses.

You didn't say how I was wrong.

And they’re going to pay for those alternate gas routes, they’ve already said priced are going up in 25.

You’re never wrong 🙄

Well you certainly haven't provided an example of where I was.

Actually I have many of times in your post, so have others but again, you’re never wrong are you?

Really show me where.

Post what I said with contradictory evidence please.

a reply to: xuenchen

The FT is behind a paywall.

Are you confusing LNG with Natural Gas, which is what flows through pipelines?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: xuenchen

The FT is behind a paywall.

Are you confusing LNG with Natural Gas, which is what flows through pipelines?

Imports of russian LNG has increased since 22 but by no where near the amount pipeline gas has decreased.

Combined pipe/LNG has dropped from almost half total EU imports to about 15% and declining.

That includes Hungary and Slovakia that have been reluctant to move away from Russian gas.

a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Yes, and the product flowing thru this pipeline is NG not LNG.

www.latimes.com...

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

but whatabout The Financial Times?!

EU imports record quantities of Russian LNG in 2024

AND: 🤣🤣 why all the importing when supporting a war against Russia? 🤣🤣
EU imports record quantities of Russian LNG in 2024

Russian liquefied natural gas imports to the EU have reached a record high this year despite the bloc’s attempt to cut off dependence on gas from the country following Moscow’s full-scale war on Ukraine.

Europe imported a record 16.5mn tonnes of Russian LNG as of mid-December, above last year’s imports of 15.18mn tonnes, according to commodities data provider Kpler. The amount is also higher than the last record of 15.21mn tonnes imported in 2022.

Source: Financial Times

Errrr... that's LNG? Not Natural Gas.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Point: Why are they increasing purchases from Russia while increasing war payments to Ukraine against Russia? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

some answers must be here...

a reply to: xuenchen

You're not understanding the difference between LNG and NG, are you?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

We all know the difference between paying Russia while Russia destroys Ukraine don't we. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: xuenchen

You're not understanding the difference between LNG and NG, are you?

Ummm…Ahhh…Erm…Isn’t…Liquified natural gas…natural gas…?

Hummm…?

Enquiring…minds…just gotta kno…doncha kno…



YouSir

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: xuenchen

You're not understanding the difference between LNG and NG, are you?

🤣🤣🤣🤣 you're too obvious😀
Modal fallacy – confusing necessity with sufficiency. A condition X is necessary for Y if X is required for even the possibility of Y. X does not bring about Y by itself, but if there is no X, there will be no Y. For example, oxygen is necessary for fire. But one cannot assume that everywhere there is oxygen, there is fire. A condition X is sufficient for Y if X, by itself, is enough to bring about Y. For example, riding the bus is a sufficient mode of transportation to get to work. But there are other modes of transportation – car, taxi, bicycle, walking – that can be used.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise
That Russian gas has continued to flow to Europe has always been known. European countries had become way to reliant on Russian gas over last few decades and that takes time to reverse.

I believe the gas exports to Europe are now about 25% of what they were prior to 2022.

but but whatabout all that big money with Russian Gas going through Ukraine Pipelines all during this WAR!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

WHY NOW are they all oh-so concerned and firm?

Because breaking the agreement would have caused massive problems for countries that Ukraine desperately needed support from.

If that's true, why is Ukraine stopping the gas NOW??? Is it no longer important? Wake up 😁🤣

Ukraine is stopping the gas now because most European countries have spent the last 3 years figuring out how to replace the lost Russian natural gas from other suppliers. The biggest replacement supplier is the US. We are now the single biggest exporter of Liquified Natural Gas in the world and growing (ahead of second and third place Australia and Qatar, respectively). About 2/3 of our export goes to Europe.

Wake up.

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise
That Russian gas has continued to flow to Europe has always been known. European countries had become way to reliant on Russian gas over last few decades and that takes time to reverse.

I believe the gas exports to Europe are now about 25% of what they were prior to 2022.

but but whatabout all that big money with Russian Gas going through Ukraine Pipelines all during this WAR!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

WHY NOW are they all oh-so concerned and firm?

Because breaking the agreement would have caused massive problems for countries that Ukraine desperately needed support from.

BS. If that was oh-so important, NATO would have stopped the Russia BS in 48 hours, not drag it out for YEARS like they ARE DOING 🤣🤣🥥🤣🤣

What has that got to do with what I said?


While I agree that NATO could end the war quickly (longer than 48 hours but certainly in a matter of weeks) there is the ever so slight complication of Russia having the world's largest stockpile of nuclear weapons and a sociopathic president.

Then why has NATO stood down while Biden has blocked every effort at negotiatons and continually 'poked the Bear'?

Here's some information to consider ....

Ukraine’s Foreign Minister just visited Damascus to meet the leader of the new terrorist regime in charge, now that the U.S. has removed the $10 million bounty on his head. It turns out Ukraine had long been assisting the Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) fighters with intelligence and drones, presumably paid for by us. We had also directly been sending aid to a terrorist network which over the years had variously been ascribed to al-Qaeda, Jabhat al-Nusra, ISIS, or ISIL.

Once HTS triumphed over Assad, the terror killings commenced. The Western press has ignored this because it conflicts with the narrative that Assad was the only mass murderer in that nation. HTS founder and leader Abu Mohammed al-Jawlani (aka Jolani) fought Americans long ago under the al-Qaeda leader, Abu Musab Zarqawi in Iraq.
After Assad’s fall, Ukraine shipped 500 tonnes of food aid to Syria. Ukraine’s Foreign Minister declared: “Ukraine will remain a linchpin to food security in Syria, even if our country is engaged in a war.” How much of the billions Biden keeps shipping to Ukraine will end up in Syria? Why does the State Department use Ukraine as a U.S. cutout? Because we can not overtly support a regime led by a man who fought Americans in Iraq and supported the 9/11 and October 7 attacks.

Once Assad fled Syria, the U.S. State Department wasted no time in removing al-Jawlani’s terrorist designation. U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Barbara Leaf met with him in Damascus on December 20 after the terror group seized control on December 8. Per Leaf:

He came across as pragmatic. Of course, we are—we’ve been hearing this for some time, some very pragmatic and moderate statements on various issues from women’s rights to protection of equal rights for all communities, et cetera.

Got that? Al-Jawlani has dropped his goal of imposing sharia law. He is coming around on women’s rights. Imagine that. Which is worse: if Leaf actually believes this, or is too dense to know otherwise?

According to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, HTS is a good, old-fashioned Islamic terrorist organization:

I would encourage everyone to read this very informative article and give it some honest consideration.

www.americanthinker.com...

I knew about the gas pipeline being used through Ukraine for quite a while. Russia was paying Ukraine for the use of it through money coming through Europe. Ukraine seems to not need the extra money from this anymore since Biden gave them extra money. It will hurt Europe more than Russia, and now Russia might sabatage their own line so ukraine can't send anything to Europe either.

There is probably more to this agreement that was made than we know, maybe it included not attacking the pipeline if there was conflict, I would ASSUME that would be the case. Is Ukraine trying to punish Europe because they are reducing funding for their war?

Russia has alternative ways of getting fuel to other countries, it will just raise the price for it to be sent to European countries. And by bombing the pipeline, there will be a shortage of fuel from Ukraine going to Europe which will probably wind up accelerating the war. I am guessing Biden is involved in this in his lame duck session to sabatage Trump...but that again is just speculation based on Biden's past behavior to punish anyone who does not suck up to him.

a reply to: YouSir

Yes, but it's....Liquified? The gas going thru the pipeline is, Natural Gas.

Enquiring minds might want to read my links and, perhaps, do their own research?