Ukraine halts transit of Russian gas to Europe after a prewar deal expired

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise
That Russian gas has continued to flow to Europe has always been known. European countries had become way to reliant on Russian gas over last few decades and that takes time to reverse.

I believe the gas exports to Europe are now about 25% of what they were prior to 2022.

but but whatabout all that big money with Russian Gas going through Ukraine Pipelines all during this WAR!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

WHY NOW are they all oh-so concerned and firm?

Because breaking the agreement would have caused massive problems for countries that Ukraine desperately needed support from.

If that's true, why is Ukraine stopping the gas NOW??? Is it no longer important? Wake up 😁🤣

Because russian gas is now no where near as important to Europe as already said. With a few exceptions most European countries can now function without Russian gas at minimal impact.

Why would Ukraine now continue to allow Russia to export gas through it?

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: SteamyAmerican

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: SteamyAmerican

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise
That Russian gas has continued to flow to Europe has always been known. European countries had become way to reliant on Russian gas over last few decades and that takes time to reverse.

I believe the gas exports to Europe are now about 25% of what they were prior to 2022.

but but whatabout all that big money with Russian Gas going through Ukraine Pipelines all during this WAR!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

WHY NOW are they all oh-so concerned and firm?

Because breaking the agreement would have caused massive problems for countries that Ukraine desperately needed support from.

Wait what?

How would this have affected the US?

Who said it would?

Uh. Sigh.

Never mind I’m sure Moldova was winding up an aid package worth many $B’s.

You’re right.

The US is the single biggest contributer in absolute terms to Ukraine but far from the only one. In terms of gdp or per capita I don't think it makes the top ten but that is beside the point.

Ukraine has received military and financial aid from dozens of countries many of whom would have been massively impacted by a sudden stop in russian gas.

What exactly does "in absolute terms" mean in this context? 😀

Most amount in monetary terms (either direct financial aid or in value of equipment provided) from any single country. I think it's close to half total amount received but been a while since I checked that.

a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Seems logical....but why now??????? Winter is just beginning. They've had years to use a shutoff to pressure Russia. It doesn't make sense now, regardless of the 'agreement'. And are they going to have cease fire to sign new agreements and then start shooting at each other afterwards????

Clown show.

originally posted by: StoutBroux
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Seems logical....but why now??????? Winter is just beginning. They've had years to use a shutoff to pressure Russia. It doesn't make sense now, regardless of the 'agreement'. And are they going to have cease fire to sign new agreements and then start shooting at each other afterwards????

Clown show.

Because the agreement has no lapsed, negotiating a new deal with a country that is invading you would seem a bit counter productive.

I think Ukraine would have been perfectly justified in cancelling at any point however the impact on other countries would have potentially cost it international support.

Also worth noting that Ukraine also got paid for transporting the gas across it's territory.

OK, am I getting this straight? Please give my head a wobble if I have this wrong.
#1. EU et all (aka UK & US) stop all business, impound assets and Bank accounts etc., connected to and in Russia at the start of the war, but continue to receive oil and pay for it to Russia, via Ukraine. I was under the impression that all gas/oil imports from Russia were stopped by EU et all at the beginning. Yes, I'm pretty sure that is what we were told and the fearmongering that followed that there would be shortages that first winter.
#2. Yesterday a contract between Russia and Ukraine to supply EU with oil/gas via Ukraine expired and Ukraine/Zelensky refuses to renew said contract.
Thus......
A. Russia looses an income from EU via Ukraine. Will this really affect Putin/Russia given he has been busy increasing exports to other countries in the meantime? Putin would have known about this deal's expiration and would have planned ahead surely?
B. Zelensky will turn the tap back on when EU and NATO allies pay him more dosh and/or make Ukraine a member of NATO.
Am I about right? I'm very confused as to where this move on Kiev's part will benefit them given they too will have been getting oil/gas from Russia too, no?

Why do I get the feeling the new huge price hikes in our gas/oil/electric supplies in UK which have just been implemented, with another one due in April, are just a form of 'rationing' by our Government because of looming shortages? Never waste a good crisis as they say!
This scenario reminds me of Katie Hopkins video...

Rainbows
Jane
PS full YT link as one above which has 2 = signs.
www.youtube.com...
Title: Turning Off the UK Electricity is being rationed. If you were given a ration book, you’d understand

a reply to: angelchemuel

Sounds about right to me, I'm sure I'll be informed if not. Once again though, the 'commoners' will pay the price.

a reply to: StoutBroux
Well, if we are right, please watch Katie Hopkins video I posted above. We are being taken for mugs!

Angry Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: BedevereTheWise

🤣🤣 your coaches are amateurs.

Natural Gas is extremely important to EU electricity.

That's why we're seeing a panic now.

So what does The Zel do now? 🤣

originally posted by: angelchemuel

This scenario reminds me of Katie Hopkins video...

How many People actually knew this gas deal with Ukraine and Russia existed before ??

🤣🤣🤣

Anyone remember Trump calling Germany out for relying on Russian gas and they laughed at him only to be in a major panic not long after that for the exact reason he told them? Trump nailed it to a T. He certainly manages to be right a LOT, it’s fun to watch😁

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: SteamyAmerican

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: SteamyAmerican

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise
That Russian gas has continued to flow to Europe has always been known. European countries had become way to reliant on Russian gas over last few decades and that takes time to reverse.

I believe the gas exports to Europe are now about 25% of what they were prior to 2022.

but but whatabout all that big money with Russian Gas going through Ukraine Pipelines all during this WAR!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

WHY NOW are they all oh-so concerned and firm?

Because breaking the agreement would have caused massive problems for countries that Ukraine desperately needed support from.

Wait what?

How would this have affected the US?

Who said it would?

Uh. Sigh.

Never mind I’m sure Moldova was winding up an aid package worth many $B’s.

You’re right.

The US is the single biggest contributer in absolute terms to Ukraine but far from the only one. In terms of gdp or per capita I don't think it makes the top ten but that is beside the point.

Ukraine has received military and financial aid from dozens of countries many of whom would have been massively impacted by a sudden stop in russian gas.

What exactly does "in absolute terms" mean in this context? 😀

Most amount in monetary terms (either direct financial aid or in value of equipment provided) from any single country. I think it's close to half total amount received but been a while since I checked that.

Are you going to be checking again soon or? 😄

a reply to: xuenchen

Thank you!
Rainbows
Jane

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise
That Russian gas has continued to flow to Europe has always been known. European countries had become way to reliant on Russian gas over last few decades and that takes time to reverse.

I believe the gas exports to Europe are now about 25% of what they were prior to 2022.

but but whatabout all that big money with Russian Gas going through Ukraine Pipelines all during this WAR!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

WHY NOW are they all oh-so concerned and firm?

Because breaking the agreement would have caused massive problems for countries that Ukraine desperately needed support from.

If that's true, why is Ukraine stopping the gas NOW??? Is it no longer important? Wake up 😁🤣

Because russian gas is now no where near as important to Europe as already said. With a few exceptions most European countries can now function without Russian gas at minimal impact.

. You just make this bs up as you go? You don’t seem to know what you’re talking about, at all.

That development coupled with this one: 👇


"Russia’s foreign minister has rejected ideas floated by members of the Trump transition team for a negotiated ceasefire in Ukraine, casting doubt that the president-elect will be able to secure a peace deal in his first 24 hours—as he repeatedly claimed on the campaign trail."
www.thedailybeast.com...


It doesn't look like the war will be stopped anytime soon.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

🤣🤣 your coaches are amateurs.

Natural Gas is extremely important to EU electricity.

That's why we're seeing a panic now.

So what does The Zel do now? 🤣

Not really. Russian gas from pipelines makes up less than 10% of gas imports to EU. That's down to less than a quarter of what it was. Just another example of Putin negativity impacting the russian people.

There are alternatives available, plenty of reserves and gas consumption is declining.

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise
That Russian gas has continued to flow to Europe has always been known. European countries had become way to reliant on Russian gas over last few decades and that takes time to reverse.

I believe the gas exports to Europe are now about 25% of what they were prior to 2022.

but but whatabout all that big money with Russian Gas going through Ukraine Pipelines all during this WAR!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

WHY NOW are they all oh-so concerned and firm?

Because breaking the agreement would have caused massive problems for countries that Ukraine desperately needed support from.

If that's true, why is Ukraine stopping the gas NOW??? Is it no longer important? Wake up 😁🤣

Because russian gas is now no where near as important to Europe as already said. With a few exceptions most European countries can now function without Russian gas at minimal impact.

. You just make this bs up as you go? You don’t seem to know what you’re talking about, at all.

Sorry facts don't agree with your bias.

www.consilium.europa.eu...

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
That development coupled with this one: 👇

"Russia’s foreign minister has rejected ideas floated by members of the Trump transition team for a negotiated ceasefire in Ukraine, casting doubt that the president-elect will be able to secure a peace deal in his first 24 hours—as he repeatedly claimed on the campaign trail."
www.thedailybeast.com...


It doesn't look like the war will be stopped anytime soon.

Jesus!!!!

Jan 20 will be the beginning of a new era !!

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
That development coupled with this one: 👇

"Russia’s foreign minister has rejected ideas floated by members of the Trump transition team for a negotiated ceasefire in Ukraine, casting doubt that the president-elect will be able to secure a peace deal in his first 24 hours—as he repeatedly claimed on the campaign trail."
www.thedailybeast.com...


It doesn't look like the war will be stopped anytime soon.

I don’t know about the 24 hour mark but when Trump cuts off Ukraine this crap is going to end or Ukraine’s going to be obliterated.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: SteamyAmerican

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: SteamyAmerican

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise
That Russian gas has continued to flow to Europe has always been known. European countries had become way to reliant on Russian gas over last few decades and that takes time to reverse.

I believe the gas exports to Europe are now about 25% of what they were prior to 2022.

but but whatabout all that big money with Russian Gas going through Ukraine Pipelines all during this WAR!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

WHY NOW are they all oh-so concerned and firm?

Because breaking the agreement would have caused massive problems for countries that Ukraine desperately needed support from.

Wait what?

How would this have affected the US?

Who said it would?

Uh. Sigh.

Never mind I’m sure Moldova was winding up an aid package worth many $B’s.

You’re right.

The US is the single biggest contributer in absolute terms to Ukraine but far from the only one. In terms of gdp or per capita I don't think it makes the top ten but that is beside the point.

Ukraine has received military and financial aid from dozens of countries many of whom would have been massively impacted by a sudden stop in russian gas.

What exactly does "in absolute terms" mean in this context? 😀

Most amount in monetary terms (either direct financial aid or in value of equipment provided) from any single country. I think it's close to half total amount received but been a while since I checked that.

Are you going to be checking again soon or? 😄

Feel free to provide alternative figures.