And Here Come the Excuses!!

a reply to: SprocketUK

If we all just went about as cowboys from the good ole days, there'd be a lot less people in this world to worry about. Or none at all for that matter

a reply to: andy06shake

If there was an award for post of the day,l that would be the one mate

a reply to: PorkChop96

The bar fights certainly looked more fun

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: SprocketUK

If we all just went about as cowboys from the good ole days, there'd be a lot less people in this world to worry about. Or none at all for that matter

There's a big difference between people who react to trouble happening in front of them, and people who roam around looking for trouble. Eventually the presence of a vigilante provokes more and more aggression, conflict and catastrophe. I believe they call it the Batman problem.

a reply to: andy06shake

originally posted by: SprocketUK
I don't think being a bit of a jerk is analogous to being the supporter of a system that purposely sentences untold numbers of people to death for a few extra bucks.

Is that a fact or your opinion to push your point? "Untold numbers"? "it's killing people"?

This is from APR 2023, it talked about 49 million claims being denied across all companies, and 99.8% are not even appealed. So, it seems people do not even try. It also talks about Cigna using AI to deny claims, so it is safe to assume they all use AI, so nothing new or just with UHC. Seems Cigna (170 million people) is worse than United Health Care (50 million people).

One problem that UHC has is they only have two insurance ACA and HMO which both represent the worst side of healthcare. ACA is bad for a company because it doesn't allow being denied for preexisting conditions, so I would bet the denial rate is very high in that area.



I'm just going to say that all insurance companies operate basically the same and UHC was highlighted to provide a justification for the shooting which you seemed to jump on that bandwagon too and even took over the reins...lol

Well, we are talking about America, where the government routinely sentences people to death and the cops often kill people during traffic stops.
I already explained how this guy is a bad un, he is probably responsible for more ruined lives than Dr Harold Shipman, but people give him a pass because money gets in the way and makes people think "Oh it's just business."

You seem to throw hyperbole into every statement you do, so I guess to give it some weight, but it takes 20 seconds to look up anything.

50 million police interactions per year, around 80ish police shootings started with a traffic stop. Out of those 80ish how many do you think were justified by the actions of the driver? So, give me a number to your "often kill people during traffic stops" 3 out of 10, 7 out of 10? 80 out of 50 million?

a reply to: Xtrozero

99.8 percent of refusals not being appealed merely points at the helplessness exhibited by seriously ill people.


I'd guess that the 80 stops were initially justified though in no way did that justification warrant death.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

99.8 percent of refusals not being appealed merely points at the helplessness exhibited by seriously ill people.

What we don't know is what actually is denied. It's not 50 million life-saving events. Your assumption is that 50 million people a year are so sick they can't even appeal. Seems there should be a lot more dying, but our average life spend keeps getting longer...hmmm

I'm not trying to defend insurance companies, I'm saying they are all the same, so it isn't one bad apple, and one of their CEOs was rightfully killed. This guy might have not had anything to do with the health insurance side as there are 5 CEOs.

So back to your original post where you cheered it on...

I'd guess that the 80 stops were initially justified though in no way did that justification warrant death.

Roughly 10 cops are shot and killed each year making a traffic stop, so do the math in how many of those 80 were bad people doing bad things, and how many were just nice people shot by cops. I'm going out on a limb and suggest less than 5 were what you speak of.

Once again not protecting cops as there are bad people in all professions, but the numbers are much different than what you suggest.

a reply to: Xtrozero
Cops shooting folks is a thread of its own.
If you can go back far enough you might find one of my posts comparing cop deaths with armed forces deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq.

In real life when someone gets in your face and stands on your toe you have the option of smacking them. The way health insurers seem to treat people is worse but they mostly get away with it because it's business.
This has been an important correction.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: SprocketUK

If we all just went about as cowboys from the good ole days, there'd be a lot less people in this world to worry about. Or none at all for that matter

There should be at least one left.

Call it the Lobo effect.

Basically some really rich kid who got spoiled his entire life finally got treated how the rest of us get treated, so he snapped.

Weak-ass mother#er.

a reply to: DBCowboy

...on the other hand, a nation full of people who willingly bend over and take it from corporatacracy every day is the epitome of strength...

actually, that sounds more like Stockholm Syndrome

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: DBCowboy

...on the other hand, a nation full of people who willingly bend over and take it from corporatacracy every day is the epitome of strength...

actually, that sounds more like Stockholm Syndrome

lol

Did your premiums change?

I'm guessing nope.

a reply to: cherokeetroy

So you're good with just goin' out and cappin' all these corporate MF'ers then, right? People should just go out and start putting caps in all their asses, right? Kill 'em all and let Gawd sort 'em out...is that your mantra?

I mean, hey, let's cut to the chase here! It's salami slicin' time. Get out yer 3D printers and everyone get their Manson kink on...can I get a Hallelujah? Everybody sing!

Jeezus!!

And what's gonna happen when YOU piss someone off, and they come after you? Who you gonna' call? Not the cops, because they'll be sayin'...'Nah, that dude's a jagoff, screw him; he deserved it! What then, big man?

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Is that what I literally said? I'm simply making a comparison. The shooter is considered weak for acting on his rage but what would be a legitimate example of strength by comparison? I don't think passive consent to repeated molestation from an abusive system is it.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Is that what I literally said? I'm simply making a comparison. The shooter is considered weak for acting on his rage but what would be a legitimate example of strength by comparison? I don't think passive consent to repeated molestation from an abusive system is it.

The shooter is weak because he acted like a hurt little bitch and didn't change anything.

a reply to: cherokeetroy

Okay. Well, your comparison sucked!

Sorry.

Looked to me like what you were saying was the shooter was right, AND, I clearly vigorously disagree.

a reply to: DBCowboy

You could have stopped at "little bitch".

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: DBCowboy

You could have stopped at "little bitch".

Truth.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I know. But how is that different from being the system's weak little bitch which also doesn't change anything?

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

So what would be an example of strength?