And Here Come the Excuses!!

a reply to: andy06shake

Always fun to watch, when something like this happens, and see all of those that come out of the wood work to condone killing someone for being a POS.

Sometimes you just need to let karma get it's licks in before you go and make rush decisions like that.

Back in the 90s, there was a pharmacist in Kansas City that was buying cancer drugs off of the "gray market" to save money and increase his profit, soon after he began diluting those same meds. From 1992 to 2001, he diluted 98,000 prescriptions from 400 doctors, which were given to 4,200 patients. Besides chemotherapy treatments, he admitted diluting medications for diabetes and AIDS patients, as well as fertility treatments

Here is where the karma kicks in for this POS, I had heard he was recently(in the last year or two) diagnosed with cancer himself.

a reply to: PorkChop96

I dont doubt the fellow was of questionable character PorkChop96.

But premeditated murder is still against the law.

And if you cant do the time, dont do the crime.

As to karma, that's fraught with problems.

For a start it undermines free will and responsibility and additionally it can be used to justify inequality or suffering, in this instance blaming victims for their misfortune.

a reply to: PorkChop96

a reply to: dothedew

I found that odd too!
If you can't get your story straight from the off..... you're going to get conspiracy theories.....
Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: andy06shake

premeditated murder is still against the law.

Never disagreed with you there.


Karma, in the case I presented, was all about natural selection if you will. Karma taken on by the actions of someone else is not with the true intent of that idea.

Some today might confuse karma with the phrase "F around and find out". As to where, in this day and age, the latter is more of " an eye for an eye" treatment rather than letting nature take it's course.

originally posted by: PorkChop96

Some today might confuse karma with the phrase "F around and find out". As to where, in this day and age, the latter is more of " an eye for an eye" treatment rather than letting nature take it's course.

The problem is this guy is in that pool of the last people who would have some issue with insurance companies. Let's say you never shopped at Walmart, never worked there, or never known anyone that was wronged by them even though you could agree overall they are not a great company when dealing with employees. Then out of the blue, you kill the CEO and have all the crazy stuff this guy has. There is just zero sense or connection.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: SprocketUK

Now, this guy shot the CEO...Well done, isnt that why Americans have the 2nd amendment To induce fear into those that seek to rule them?

Then you own a coffee shop and one of your employees feels you wronged them somehow and they shoot you...Well done I say...

That company has 5 CEOs in different branches, so explain to me what this guy personally did to warrant a death sentence. Hell, maybe we should shoot anyone who works for the company as they are all implicit, right? Also, explain to me what did the company do to this little rich kid for such actions. If it was just a generalized thought to kill someone because they might work for a bad company, that my friend is 100 million long list of people we need to shoot...lol

Be careful what you wish for...

I don't think being a bit of a jerk is analogous to being the supporter of a system that purposely sentences untold numbers of people to death for a few extra bucks.


a reply to: andy06shake

Well, we are talking about America, where the government routinely sentences people to death and the cops often kill people during traffic stops.
I already explained how this guy is a bad un, he is probably responsible for more ruined lives than Dr Harold Shipman, but people give him a pass because money gets in the way and makes people think "Oh its just business."

a reply to: SprocketUK

the government routinely sentences people to death

Define routinely. There have only been 1600 executions carried out in the US since the 70s.

deathpenaltyinfo.org...

cops often kill people during traffic stops

What do you consider to be "often"?

How many instances in the last year do you know of where a US citizen was killed by a cop during a traffic stop?

a reply to: SprocketUK

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: SprocketUK

the government routinely sentences people to death

Define routinely. There have only been 1600 executions carried out in the US since the 70s.

deathpenaltyinfo.org...

cops often kill people during traffic stops

What do you consider to be "often"?

How many instances in the last year do you know of where a US citizen was killed by a cop during a traffic stop?

I really dislike state execution so my version of often is probably a lot lower than yours but 1600 people in 54 years is a heck of a lot.

As for how often your cops kill someone, I confess I don't know but it seems rather a common occurrence to see a family (usually a black one, it must be said) crying over the loss of a husband or son killed by a cop during something as seemingly mundane as a traffic stop. I would be shocked if it is less than one fatality every 4 weeks.

a reply to: PorkChop96

"F around and find out"

Now that is indeed true in life.

originally posted by: Myhandle
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

It’s not crazy. It’s good versus evil. The story of time. I’ll keep saying it until even the educated can understand

Thank you!

Everything, EVERYTHING, boils down to this. All of problems in the world past and present.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Well, we are talking about America, where the government routinely sentences people to death and the cops often kill people during traffic stops.

On the flip side of that, remember the eager beaver so-called Police constable from our neck of the woods who tasered a blind person crossing the road and claimed his white cain resembled a big knife?

Police are bastards everywhere not just across the pond.

I already explained how this guy is a bad un, he is probably responsible for more ruined lives than Dr Harold Shipman, but people give him a pass because money gets in the way and makes people think "Oh its just business."

I get it mate, but we still cannot go around executing people, not like that, else where would it end?

Nowhere good i imagine.

The guy leaves a Mrs and two sons.

Maybe it's just the time of the year or I'm feeling sentimental but it seems to me that he took that one too far.

And the thing is, the whack job obviously has serious issues himself aside from the back pain, for all intents and purposes, the rest of his life is apt to be hell on Earth.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Indeed...it's called Fire for Effect, and I do believe there is a certain element of this going on with this case. As far as we know, this guy had no personal beef with UHC in particular; they were more of a statement than anything else. They were more an example of his cause, not anyone who had harmed him directly.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: SprocketUK

the government routinely sentences people to death

Define routinely. There have only been 1600 executions carried out in the US since the 70s.

deathpenaltyinfo.org...

cops often kill people during traffic stops

What do you consider to be "often"?

How many instances in the last year do you know of where a US citizen was killed by a cop during a traffic stop?

I really dislike state execution so my version of often is probably a lot lower than yours but 1600 people in 54 years is a heck of a lot.

Not going to disagree but at the same time, there are certain crimes that one cannot be reformed from and are just a drain on society. Ridding society of that drain rather than paying for it for 50+ years is usually a better option IMO.

As for how often your cops kill someone, I confess I don't know but it seems rather a common occurrence to see a family (usually a black one, it must be said) crying over the loss of a husband or son killed by a cop during something as seemingly mundane as a traffic stop. I would be shocked if it is less than one fatality every 4 weeks.

Are there people killed by cops, where the cops were in the wrong, absolutely.

But more often than not, especially in higher density cities that you will see the statistics from (NYC, LA, SF, Detroit, Chicago, etc) these shootings are warranted.

I know this will bring me some hate, hey the truth hurts, but if those that are killed by a cop during a traffic stop, whether black, white, hispanic, asian, etc, would have complied and been unconfrontational or not given the cop a reason to draw their firearm there would have been a higher likelihood of them going home that day. 99% of cops do not want to shoot anyone, but there will always be those outliers that look for any opportunity they can to make themselves feel big and bad.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: SprocketUK

Well, we are talking about America, where the government routinely sentences people to death and the cops often kill people during traffic stops.

On the flip side of that, remember the eager beaver so-called Police constable from our neck of the woods who tasered a blind person crossing the road and claimed his white cain resembled a big knife?

Police are bastards everywhere not just across the pond.

I already explained how this guy is a bad un, he is probably responsible for more ruined lives than Dr Harold Shipman, but people give him a pass because money gets in the way and makes people think "Oh its just business."

I get it mate, but we still cannot go around executing people, not like that, else where would it end?

Nowhere good i imagine.

The guy leaves a Mrs and two sons.

Maybe it's just the time of the year or I'm feeling sentimental but it seems to me that he took that one too far.

And the thing is, the whack job obviously has serious issues himself aside from the back pain, for all intents and purposes, the rest of his life is apt to be hell on Earth.

Careful mate, you are starting to sound like Diane Abbot, Carpy will be sniffing around.
I agree with you about cops, a mate used to say there were always 2 of them in a car cos one could do the numbers while the other did the letters when reading reg plates...I am glad we never saw fit to arm them, really.

a reply to: PorkChop96
The rights or wrongs of the death penalty is a thread on its own mate.
I feel safer not giving the state the power of life and death over the citizens, even the bad ones.

I agree with you about the back story of lots of the shootings but my point (badly made it seems) was that this CEO was most likely responsible for ruining more people than any of the guys shot by cops.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Fair assumption, but at the same time, where does that wrongdoing give anyone the right to take his life?

That is what due process is about, let the justice system work. Although in NY it might just as well go the way we all don't want it to in cases such as this one would have been.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: SprocketUK

Fair assumption, but at the same time, where does that wrongdoing give anyone the right to take his life?

That is what due process is about, let the justice system work. Although in NY it might just as well go the way we all don't want it to in cases such as this one would have been.

Guess I watched too many cowboy films as a kid.

a reply to: SprocketUK

LoL

Thing about Police is that is that there are good and bad sorts.

Same in every walk of life.

But in such a position of power one bad apple spoils the batch.

And even the good'yins will close ranks to save the bad sorts.

They are the biggest gang around.

Not a fan if I'm honest, simply no respect.

And there is never one about when required, not that that's much.