And Here Come the Excuses!!

a reply to: cherokeetroy

Riddle me this. If the system is so bad. Where is all the money coming from for teen gender affirming care and surgery?

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

I would say it's placation if you admit to being screwed by an entity but then go on to defend the entity that's screwing you.

Define "the system is screwing you". When you look at health insurance, there are many different kinds that depend on how much you are willing to spend on it. Just because you have health insurance doesn't mean you automatically have access to every form of medical treatment on the planet.

When we look at UnitedHealthcare they have only two types and both are the lowest form of health insurance. They have ACA and HMO and both of these are very limited in what they offer, but you also get what you pay for.

In another post, I researched some of this and it seems ALL insurance companies use AI as the first level, and 99.8% of denied treatments are not challenged, so that tells us that either they were not 100% correct, or other treatments are also available.

Then when we look at Canada, or France about 25%+ of the population does not have access to adequate healthcare. They also wait a very long time for treatment as there is only so much that can go around, and this means people also die waiting.... Many Canadians have extended healthcare insurance in America. All this tells us that there is no perfect healthcare system, but even at the lowest levels, it is still pretty damn good.

This rich idiot has never had any engagement with health insurance and for some reason felt the need to kill someone. The left cheers it on with the same level of insanity. This just brings up the question of what does the left want? Even paying 25% of your paycheck into a social system still doesn't mean you are going to have great healthcare, and having the lowest levels of insurance means the same that you will have limited access.

The term entitlement comes to mind when I look at this.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy


If I believe humans are slaves to a corrupt system and you presume that stance to be liberal ideology, then wouldn't the logical conclusion be that you disagree with my belief?

So, what part has enslaved you? We see a corrupt system that progressives have created.

a reply to: Xtrozero

UnitedHealth isn’t even much cheaper if it is as all.

But I’d say it’s not a choice for most people who have it.

Typically you’re going to have insurance through your benefits of employment. And a lot of times they pick up 50% or more of premiums.

For a vertically integrated company, you’d think that the premiums would be considerably cheaper, or at least services rendered in their healthcare facilities. But that’s not the case.

All of these things don’t have to be mutually exclusive.

-UHG can be a horrible company
-Not all health insurance is bad
-Government regulation likely helped make some of these issues with ACA and growing the wrong health insurance companies.
-there likely is systemic corruption through lobbying and campaign contributions (much of which is on the left)
-killing the CEO is still a crime, and likely won’t change anything

originally posted by: PorkChop96

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

So then you can't give me a straight answer

Nor can you, to my assertion.

So yeah.

Oh, but if you want an answer...then this guy should have signed up with the millions of others who feel like UHC is a criminal enterprise and gone through the proper legal system to bring them to justice.

You mean the two- tiered, weaponized, corrupted legal system? That one? Got it.

You meant he one that the dems use to make money hand over fist and to combat their political opponents because they have no real way to beat them in reality?

The one that will only change if people stand up to make it change instead of bypassing it completely and then wonder why they get railroaded in the end.

That's the one!

So obviously you clearly understand that the system is compromised because it's been corrupted by greedy, crooked people who use blackmail, money and influence to rig the outcome. And you understand we can't rely on it to be fair and just. It's just another symptom of an overall problem that won't be resolved until it gets addressed.

So when is it time for people to stand up and make it change? Is now the time?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: cherokeetroy


If I believe humans are slaves to a corrupt system and you presume that stance to be liberal ideology, then wouldn't the logical conclusion be that you disagree with my belief?

So, what part has enslaved you? We see a corrupt system that progressives have created.

Why do you care about the opinions of an Online Warrior?

I'll answer -- you don't.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: cherokeetroy

Riddle me this. If the system is so bad. Where is all the money coming from for teen gender affirming care and surgery?

What ?

lol

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Xtrozero

UnitedHealth isn’t even much cheaper if it is as all.

-UHG can be a horrible company
-Not all health insurance is bad
-Government regulation likely helped make some of these issues with ACA and growing the wrong health insurance companies.
-there likely is systemic corruption through lobbying and campaign contributions (much of which is on the left)
-killing the CEO is still a crime, and likely won’t change anything

I guess my point is that the insurance they provide is limited by just the nature of the system with ACA and HMO. They have about 50 million people and when I researched it seems Cigna with 170 million people is the same, or even worse. Many of these issues are connected to ACA which forces insurance companies to take everyone. One highlighted case was a guy who switched to UnitedHealthcare ACA for college and walking in already had a preexisting 500k+ a year need for drugs. WTH does an insurance company do with that...lol and they were bad because the guy had to fight them and not just get his 500k+ meds instantly with no pushback.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

Why do you care about the opinions of an Online Warrior?

I'll answer -- you don't.

People throw in these statements like "a slave to the system" and I just want to know what makes them a slave. I think people use these lines because they sound good, but when asked about it they have no clue. Another good one is "living wage" and when I ask what that would be when based on a living cost, I have yet to receive an honest reply, just like yours here.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: cherokeetroy

Riddle me this. If the system is so bad. Where is all the money coming from for teen gender affirming care and surgery?

What ?

lol

And yet we have a health care system with enough resources to remove perfectly good body parts from people? Because they want to play dress up.

It’s actually pretty serious.

a reply to: Xtrozero

You've already dragged me into way too many pointless debates. You aren't truly interested in hearing my point of view. Honestly, I'm not interested in yours, either. You trust the safety of the vaccines and fluoridated tap water. That's all the info I need in order to gauge your level of discernment.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: cherokeetroy

Riddle me this. If the system is so bad. Where is all the money coming from for teen gender affirming care and surgery?

What ?

lol

And yet we have a health care system with enough resources to remove perfectly good body parts from people? Because they want to play dress up.

It’s actually pretty serious.

And you're using that as an example to prove the system isn't broken?

a reply to: cherokeetroy

Maybe if people ate a little better, did less drugs, less chemicals in food, and assets were not being driven to cosmetic surgeries, there would be more resources for the life and death stuff.

Just a thought.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: cherokeetroy

Riddle me this. If the system is so bad. Where is all the money coming from for teen gender affirming care and surgery?

What ?

lol

And yet we have a health care system with enough resources to remove perfectly good body parts from people? Because they want to play dress up.

It’s actually pretty serious.

And you're using that as an example to prove the system isn't broken?

And yet people are getting gender affirming care and surgeries. Strange. Huh.

a reply to: cherokeetroy

Might be society and the system as a whole are broken with misguided priorities. But it sure is easy for politicians to use class warfare to get votes, huh.

a reply to: cherokeetroy

So. What are you a slave to and why?

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: cherokeetroy

Riddle me this. If the system is so bad. Where is all the money coming from for teen gender affirming care and surgery?

What ?

lol

And yet we have a health care system with enough resources to remove perfectly good body parts from people? Because they want to play dress up.

It’s actually pretty serious.

And you're using that as an example to prove the system isn't broken?

And yet people are getting gender affirming care and surgeries. Strange. Huh.

Strange? Actually, pretty disgusting when so many sick people are literally dying while waiting for proper care.

a reply to: cherokeetroy

Kind of hard to make a change when the justice system doesn't even get involved with cases that are over before they even begin such as this one.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: cherokeetroy

Riddle me this. If the system is so bad. Where is all the money coming from for teen gender affirming care and surgery?

What ?

lol

And yet we have a health care system with enough resources to remove perfectly good body parts from people? Because they want to play dress up.

It’s actually pretty serious.

And you're using that as an example to prove the system isn't broken?

And yet people are getting gender affirming care and surgeries. Strange. Huh.

Strange? Actually, pretty disgusting when so many sick people are literally dying while waiting for proper care.

What’s easier and has more profit. Heart bypass or load someone up with hormones and cut this or that off? Added.. That is probably halfway healthy. I’m just guessing.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: cherokeetroy

So. What are you a slave to and why?

I'm not explaining to you, either. You're not genuinely interested. You've also dragged me into pointless debates and you've written me off as a liberal. That's all I need to know about your level of discernment.