And Here Come the Excuses!!

originally posted by: Lazy88

If the system is so broken. Why don’t rich families like the Mangione‘s adopt people that need medical and legal assistance? The only recourse is to start assassinations?

The guy wouldn't even know what is broken or not. That is the strange part of what happened after the surgery, and then he was off of everybody's radar for 3 months to come back, and Bam! How does anyone have back surgery and then disappear from family and friends for 3 months?

originally posted by: Texastruth2

The no pocket photo looks like a very poor photoshop job. You can zoom in and see on the left what looks like the start of a pocket right before the big smudge where they sloppily erased the pockets and zipper.

He had two jackets and two backpacks...Old Occam's Razor wins again

There are a few things that 1. still do not
fit/make sense.

Also a few things that 2. seem beyond a
coincidence.

And a few 3. red herrings.

One thing right off the top of beyond
a coincidence is his visit to McDonalds.
I see that as a reference to Trump, so many
photo's of Trump eating there, eating Mc D's
on the plane. Heck, Trump even went to
work at Mc Donalds.

This connection will be in the subconscious
of everyone who has observed.

If there was an obvious Mk Ultra aspect,
this would be it.

a reply to: burntheships

I am glad you did said it. It is about simple association for the non-critical thinker. The critical thinker sees it. That is what the government has been working for years to remove.

Someone found him based on his online presence.
Someone contact him based on his online presence.
Someone befriended him.
Someone convinced him.
Someone left him in the open.

HOW DO WE ALL NOT SEE THE PATTERN?

originally posted by: matafuchs
It is about simple association for the non-critical thinker. The critical thinker sees it.

Yep. And the association could have many
hidden messages. I will not list them here,
as I don't want to give anyone more ideas.

But if one thinks just a little bit, it should
come to the front of reasoning.

HOW DO WE ALL NOT SEE THE PATTERN?

The red herrings are there to throw people off.

In the shooters manifesto, his number 1 point is
the cost of healthcare. He is supposed to be a
very bright young man. Aside from the fact that
his brain might have been tweaked from a few
things, a handler or his college indoctrination,
he should know exactly why healthcare is so
expensive. One of the main factors there is
Obamacare. But that just seems to be lost on
him.

Reminds me of the occupy Wall Street crowd.
Astro turf never protests that actual cause
or root of the problem. They call attention to
the aspects of a problem that someone want's
propagandized.

a reply to: burntheships

He was EXACTLY the type for Occupy Wall Street, AND, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see he was a heavy participant in exactly that, going forward.

I'll bet that's exactly who this guy is. Identifies with the left, radical, capitalists are bad...just wait...there will be pictures of this guy at Occupy Wall St. protests. I guarantee it!!

I think the only thing missing to make this the typical standard shooter setup is the FBI had been watching him but stopped a couple of weeks ago. When are they going to say that?

We all know the standard drill.

The system is sick. The level of corruption is unsustainable.

2025

meh, i dont feel bad about a healthcare ceo who lines their pockets from insurance payers while denying coverage resulting in many deaths... free the guy just like penny

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

He has been indoctrinated, for sure. It is really tragic
to see a bright young person absolutely waste their
life like he did. It would be very enlightening to see
the curriculum he was brainwashed with.

Not blaming the college institutions entirely,
but they do bear some responsibility in that
they consistently produce smart people that
can not seem to think or reason in reality.

IMO, the Harvard's and Ivy's are controlled
by the same people that have a huge interest
in the bloated bureaucracies, if they taught
the kids to reason and think, they would be
voted out of office. Its a self serving machine.

There is also the possibility, as was mentioned
by Mata that someone noticed him, and got
to him to "help" him.

a reply to: BeyondKnowledge3

We all know the standard drill.

Drill is “it’s a spook as long as it fits my narrative”.

a reply to: cherokeetroy

Sick as it may be; this is a civilized society. It is.

Act out all you want, but when a person starts killing innocent people, well, then the narrative stops. That's anarchy. An "eye for an eye"...and that's NOT okay! That will NEVER be okay. EVER.

Two wrongs will NEVER equal one right. EVER. If we, as a society accept things like this, then we as a society descend into complete anarchy and madness. We cannot allow this to happen!

WE are the judge of our person, and our world. And, WE, determine our way forward. NOT them!

This isn't about MAGA, no, this is about CRAZY!! UNHINGED #ING CRAZY!! (sorry ATS, but that's what it is!)

Get a hold of yourselves. Check yourselves. Are you okay???? JEEZUS!!

The entire World has gone nuts!!

So I will try to explain this without too much text wall. It ties into the Trump PA assassination attempt as well. There are members, silent members of the outer party that have friends and relatives in the proletariat friendly to ay cause they may need conjured up. The first Trump assassin was taken out, but the pictures disclosed look more like that Maxwell Urik feller that has fought in Syria and Ukraine and identified previously with anti-fa ties. He is the real killer, and the patsy on TV, the Crookes kid is the proletariat connected asset to the outer party. it is his identity that gets used. The gimmick is, arrest the patsy who looks like the real guy. Stop talking about him overtly in news media so the collective conscious forgets. A permanent patsy is already on hand from the prison system who is already serving mad time. This existing prisoner who also looks like the real killer and the official patsy is subsequently swapped out for the previous outer party asset that takes the fall.

In the first Trump shooting PA case, someone upstairs clearly was dissatisfied as the actual killer was caught too early. In this situation the government assets had no choice but to eliminate him because it does not follow the templated I outlined above. And the proletariat outer party asset was rushed into the limelight before all ducks were in a row, which would explain the complete confusion of his parents and loved ones.

This CEO case is very possibly a similar deal, and there is clearly some discrepancy already with existing images to feed this theory. The Italian gym bro may have already been ready to take the heat. The killer goes off to kill again, official patsy takes the dive. After sufficient time he will get the occasional court appearance on TV which most people will not pay attention too, except astute investigators who have no seen this happen at least four times over the last ten years in high profile kills where the guy being shuffled from detention to court has slight anomalies and an indifferent attitude to the situation, like they been there the whole time. They are already doing life or on the row, so they are happy to play theater for benefits and amenities.

With today's AI and quantum computing capabilities, disposable identities can be produced on the fly. As simple as clicking a button, and then using an official printer which can be bought from commercial manufacturers of said equipment. yes a private citizen can purchase a driver's license printing type machine. Companies and schools use them all the time to produce their own credentials. A malevolent actor can easily create multi layered shell companies to ghost the purchase with less than $1000 and have them all headquartered in little flea market booths or staffed by little old ladies who cant ever seem to understand how they are employed in this tiny shop with only a handful of chocolates on a couple shelves and nobody ever comes in to buy anything, but somehow she always gets paid on time??

There are too many people in the world. Any government has tens of millions of people they can find incarcerated or through mental health facilities ready to play patsy look alike for benefits and amenities. While all of this is very possible, and not only so but also probable, it is just a theory and I do not have the resources to prove any of it. However, agencies have the resources and manpower to do it with ease, like an assembly line.

As far as true motive in this CEO murder, I chalked it up to the official story that is lifted from any number of TV shows and movies. Until I read this OP and it got me thinking into the hows and the whys. Alternate theory with the information that is new to me in this thread?? he was getting ready to turn state's witness in the latest phase of the investigation and would have incriminated certain powerful individuals, maybe even politically connected individuals or groups.

Michael Crookes is enjoying a liezure life in some unknown preferred location. Maxwell Urik(sic?) died on the roof in Butler , PA . This italian gym bro will either get the same treatment as Crookes, or die in custody before he can sing.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

I don’t see how that connects them.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

The backpacks, jackets, and the two guys are all different.

No pockets dude is probably the taller of the two, imo.

Come on ...IR lights??? Lol. Look at the shape, texture and the fact that the sleeker grey pack isn't black with dangling straps, the camera on the street managed to capture that top buckle on the shoulder straps.

a reply to: VariedcodeSole

ETA: I had another side pic of the second picture but ATS's broke asf picture filter won't allow me to upload it. So sick of mundane pics getting censored for no reason.

ATS won't allow any pics that say WEB. I copy said pics with my snipping program and save to my pics file, which converts them to pdf and then they upload fine.
Hope this helps....

To the OP it was on the news tonight that the shooters family also owns multiple nursing homes. Hmmm....lots of easy money there.

a reply to: nugget1

Gracias mi amigo!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

"when a person starts killing innocent people, well, then the narrative stops. That's anarchy. An "eye for an eye"...and that's NOT okay! That will NEVER be okay. EVER".

Does that include people at the top or do they get a free pass?

The world is run by psychopaths and narcissists. Corruption out of control. When there's no true justice, you should expect people are going to act out. Maybe that doesn't seem right but that's just the way it is in a sick, evil system.

A sick loser who came from a wealthy family decided to kill a CEO instead of using his fortune to support people damaged by biased insurance claims.

This will do nothing to reduce insurance costs.

The guy was an asshole and is now a cold-blooded murderer.

Thanks for nothing, dirtbag.

a reply to: cherokeetroy
It is difficult to get a vigilante pass with such overt malicious intent on a subject who for what we know has not faced trial or accusations directly of anything in a court, right?? Even the Sheriff in Indiana, or was it Ohio?? that shot the judge in his chambers is not getting a pass for what transpired there. And it should not. There are options of the law if accusations are to be made, and that is what a civilized society does I suppose. Are we trying to get back to being civilized, or does the Purge continue for a time??

Killing people sucks, even when you think it is justified. Even if it is justified. It still sucks snuffing out the flame. It should not be a world we accept to live in outside the jungle. I think finding out more about the deceased regarding any shady business practice is standard operating procedure for someone in his wealth level.