The debate. Who wins?

I'm reading that apparently some countries overseas carried this debate.

WHY? Why do foreigners get so emotionally involved in USA politics?

It's not their country. Yet they are all caught up in it emotionally.

I can understand having a passing curiosity. Wanting a general knowledge of what is going on. But to watch the debate (and the interviews and the rallies etc etc) and engage in discussions/arguments about it, which from what I'm reading elsewhere foreigners are actually doing .... I don't get it. It's bizarre to me.

I'm seeing this on YAHOO and other discussion forums.

BTW .. YAHOO is horribly censored. Far left wingers out of Beijing must run it. Seriously.

a reply to: FlyersFan

US foreign policy has a massive impact on the world.
Not only that, economic impacts because of the pervasiveness of the dollar are huge.

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: FlyersFan

US foreign policy has a massive impact on the world.
Not only that, economic impacts because of the pervasiveness of the dollar are huge.

Yup. The US has been the world's biggest superpower post WW2 and it's policies have almost as much of an effect as domestic ones have on other countries since then.

Now that News Agencies have had a chance to figure out the messaging; I predict, following the debate, that Kamala Harris will surge ahead in the polls ... again.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Simply because you are a World superpower and what happens over there creates significant waves across the Pond that directly affect us.

Why is this so hard to understand?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: FlyersFan

Simply because you are a World superpower and what happens over there creates significant waves across the Pond that directly affect us.

Why is this so hard to understand?

That’s very true, what goes on in the US has serious implications for the rest of the world. On a less serious note though, US politics can be very entertaining.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: FlyersFan

Simply because you are a World superpower and what happens over there creates significant waves across the Pond that directly affect us.

Why is this so hard to understand?

for me, the confusion exists because we live here, and we can't change things, so WTF makes folks from "not from round here", so emotionally involved as if they think their opinion would change anything?

a reply to: JadedGhost

It certainly is entertaining, bemusing too.

I think that given the US' relatively short history of government as compared to ours they might welcome the benefit of learning from elder countries - not necessarily better - mistakes and all.

Although this friendly help is not always appreciated, so it would seem.

a reply to: network dude

I don't think anyone's opinion on here might change anything, certainly not my occasional two cents.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

Simply because you are a World superpower and what happens over there creates significant waves across the Pond that directly affect us.

Why is this so hard to understand?

I'm just not getting it.

I know who leaders of certain countries are and what they are all about basically. I don't watch/read speeches and speeches and speeches, rallies and town halls, and debates etc etc by any of their political leaders. I don't go on websites and campaign for their politicians and try to get the people of those countries to vote how I think they should vote.

But on other sites I'm seeing foreigners watching our debates and rallies and town halls, and they are going into discussion forums and they are campaigning for who they think America should have as POTUS.

I'm just not seeing why all the interest. I guess it's like watching a sporting event or something ...

But it's all one way. Generally speaking, Americans don't have that level of emotional involvement in the politics of other countries. I'm not seeing it.

a reply to: FlyersFan

That's the thing. We have sections of our news media dedicated to "World News".

We are not an isolated little island.

We take an interest in world news and politics where it affects us.

I don't see Brits "campaigning" for any candidate.

With the exception of Farage.

I have said many times that I think both are poor candidates.

The US seems very insular looking . as you have just demonstrated.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: JadedGhost

It certainly is entertaining, bemusing too.

I think that given the US' relatively short history of government as compared to ours they might welcome the benefit of learning from elder countries - not necessarily better - mistakes and all.

Damn, that line has been used for 200 years lol. What is amusing is the British Parliament when they go at it. We did learn from older countries and that is why America was created.

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Learning, is a continuing process?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
We have sections of our news media dedicated to "World News"..

We have 'world news' as well.

But we don't spend hours and hours and hours watching foreign debates and rallies and speeches.

We get the general idea of who is in charge or running and what they want. That's it.

I'm seeing foreigners on other sites actually campaigning for who they think Americans should have in office. Emotionally invested.

It's downright weird.

a reply to: FlyersFan

"But we don't spend hours and hours and hours watching foreign debates and rallies and speeches."

I don't know anyone who does?

a reply to: Xtrozero

We did learn from older countries and that is why America was created.

But as we'd all agree its not the perfect, finished article. The USA is still very much a work-in-progress - I guess pretty much the same as most countries are.

And as such it can learn much from history - as we all can - including out past mistakes.

What is amusing is the British Parliament when they go at it.

Created especially for US prime time TV and the advertising revenue it brings in.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
I'm reading that apparently some countries overseas carried this debate.

WHY? Why do foreigners get so emotionally involved in USA politics?

It's not their country. Yet they are all caught up in it emotionally.

I can understand having a passing curiosity. Wanting a general knowledge of what is going on. But to watch the debate (and the interviews and the rallies etc etc) and engage in discussions/arguments about it, which from what I'm reading elsewhere foreigners are actually doing .... I don't get it. It's bizarre to me.

I'm seeing this on YAHOO and other discussion forums.

BTW .. YAHOO is horribly censored. Far left wingers out of Beijing must run it. Seriously.

Population of Overseas U.S. Citizens and Voter Turnout by Country

In 2022, an estimated 4.4 million U.S. citizens lived abroad. About 2.8 million of them were 18 or older and eligible to vote in U.S.
federal elections. Historically, little was known about these citizens — not even how many there are or where they live. FVAP conducts the biennial Overseas Citizen Population Analysis (OCPA) to better understand this population and how its members navigate the absentee voting process. OCPA combines the first representative survey of overseas registered voters with government data and voting history records to calculate overseas citizen voting participation rates.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
I don't know anyone who does?

As I said .. I've seen this on other sites. Yahoo mostly, but others as well. Foreigners watching the debates and the rallies and the speeches. I'm really shocked that the foreign media carries all this stuff endlessly. And then they get VERY emotional about who they think Americans should vote for. And I'm really shocked at the level of emotional investment that I'm seeing with people who don't even live here.

Harris and Trump and RFK and Chase Oliver ... the four main ones running ... all are severely lacking in what you'd want for an American president. But there is a lot of cheerleading going on with the foreigners at these sites for the American candidate of choice, and a lot of venom against the ones they don't like.

I have opinions of foreign leaders. Some, like Erdogan of Turkey, I state that I think he's dangerous etc etc. But I don't watch hours and hours of him on TV and read hours of transcripts of his speeches etc etc.

I'm just really surprised at the involvement I'm seeing.

Cuz here ... I don't see Americans getting that uptight and that involved with foreign politics. We know what's going on and have opinions on some of it ... but we don't dedicate our emotions and time to it like I"m seeing ... (and it's really bad on YAHOO. WOW!)

a reply to: FlyersFan

The office of POTUS is such an important and influential one that affects most people on earth on one way or another.
That is why people follow US politics, particularly during election time and in times of heightened international tensions.

And to be fair - and I stress I really don't want to sound insulting here - but as a general rule of thumb people from outside the US are a bit less insular in their outlook and understanding of things.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: Dandandat3
Undecided voters were not impressed by the debate nor their choices this November.

Pundits Said Harris Won the Debate. Undecided Voters Weren’t So Sure.

The reporters interviewed voters in five states and asked them whether the debate changed their views on the presidential race.

Kamala Harris’s first words during the presidential debate on Tuesday were, “I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan.”

Some Americans might need more convincing.

Bob and Sharon Reed, both 77-year-old retired teachers who live on a farm in central Pennsylvania said, “It was all disappointing.”

The couple ended the night wondering how the costly programs each candidate supported — Mr. Trump’s tariffs and Ms. Harris’s aid to young families and small businesses — would help a couple like them, living on a fixed income that has not kept pace with inflation. They said they didn’t hear detailed answers on immigration or foreign policy, either.

Immediate reaction from political analysts favored Ms. Harris, whose attacks appeared to rattle Mr. Trump.

But not all voters, especially those undecided few who could sway the election, were effusive about the vice president’s performance.

In interviews with undecided voters, many of whom The Times has interviewed regularly over the last several months, they acknowledged that Ms. Harris seemed more presidential than Mr. Trump.

But they also said she did not seem much different from Mr. Biden, and they wanted change.

And most of all, what they wanted to hear — and didn’t — was the fine print.

The euphoric scenes from the summer of Democrats celebrating her entry into the race did not reflect the reality in many American homes. Twenty-eight percent of likely voters said in the latest Times/Siena poll they felt they needed to know more about her. The biggest question on their minds, the poll found, was what her plans and policies would be.

Samira Ali, a sophomore at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, entered the debate unsure whether she would vote at all. She left a raucous viewing party on campus still unsure.

“She still has to impress me,” said Ms. Ali, 19. As someone who recently moved into her own place off-campus and has had to buy groceries for the first time, Ms. Ali said she wanted to hear Ms. Harris speak more about housing costs and inflation. “I’m still deciding,” she said as the debate neared its end.

In Las Vegas, Gerald Mayes, 40, said he felt both candidates failed to connect their campaign promises to his family’s budget. And he came away confused.

“Nothing is clear to me, and I am really trying to follow it,” he said. “I want to know how all of this impacts my family financially.”

Keilah Miller, 34, who lives in Milwaukee, grew intrigued by Ms. Harris too. Ms. Miller said she had voted Democratic in past presidential elections but decided to stop voting altogether about a year ago. Her own situation, and that of other Black women in Milwaukee, had not improved, she said.

On Tuesday, she felt nudged unexpectedly toward Mr. Trump.

“Trump’s pitch was a little more convincing than hers,” Ms. Miller said. “I guess I’m leaning more on his facts than her vision.”

Ms. Miller said that, while her heart pulls her to Ms. Harris’s potentially history-making candidacy, she finds herself thinking fondly of her old life.

“When Trump was in office — not going to lie — I was living way better,” she said. “I’ve never been so down as in the past four years. It’s been so hard for me.”

In Southern Arizona, Jason Henderson, a defense contractor and retired soldier, had been resigned to skipping the election, unable to stomach either candidate. Like Ms. Miller, though, he came away from the debate leaning, tenuously, toward the Republican nominee.

“Trump had the more commanding presentation,” Mr. Henderson said. “There was nothing done by Harris that made me think she’s better. In any way.”

Mr. Henderson, who voted for President Barack Obama and then for Mr. Trump, allowed that Mr. Trump “came off as crazy,” but he was no different from his appearances at rallies and in interviews.

Still, Mr. Henderson said his new enthusiasm might fade once the frenzy surrounding the debate passes. “I’ll probably come back to my senses,” he said.


New York Times

As an Indie always having to pick between two parties that pretend to be at each others throat as the horrible decisions they make come back to bite us all in the ass, this is normally difficult.

To see it as Trump is like Ron Paul was doing with facts, only Paul is a nicer man to the bone than DJT. Paul was too weak. Yet, the facts were the same as today when Congressman Paul 1st said "Audit the Fed, this is a Ponzi scheme ran by people not even in our Government". We are still in that Ponzi scheme that someone needs to stop before half the planet is beholden to the DS goons to feed, clothe and house us.

"You will own nothing and like it". Straight out of "Brave New World".

So after all the BS before he came, suddenly Trump "is my horse if he never wins a race" now!

He is what we need to expose and route the deep state goons.

If people actually sat down and listened to Trump without a closed mind, they would see that he's neither democrat nor republican. His policies effect us all equally in a positive way. That's why he has republican, democrat, and independent support, along with more support from minorities than any candidate to run as a republican. That's also why elitist democrats and republicans hate him, he's for the people and not for holding them down and making them dependent.

He was also never a politician and that's what I like most about him.