Bibi’s Dilemma

originally posted by: jofafot

is it just me or are people starting to spam the thread with utter nonsense and completely unrelated replies?

You asked this…

jofafot
a reply to: Lazy88

It is a very simple general question.

You didn’t like the answer based on reality and facts..

originally posted by: Lazy88


Israel targets legitimate military targets, and gives literal calls for civilians to evacuate.

Its on Hamas they pose as civilians, use civilian infrastructure to house military operations/ equipment/ and weapons. Where Hamas cowers behind civilians.

How many Hamas military bases can you name? Yet Hamas and other militant groups in Gaza have launched 10s of thousands of rocket and mortar attacks over the years. Impressive for groups that have no bases?


How many more people would be alive today if Hamas surrendered after their illegitimate attack on Oct 7th.

a reply to: Lazy88

You didn’t like the answer based on reality and facts.

What the question was:

Do you support killing of innocent people then try to justify it by using "not my fault"?

What the possible answers are:
A) Yes
B) No
Your "answer":

Israel targets legitimate military targets, and gives literal calls for civilians to evacuate.

It can't get any simpler than this.

Also, what did I just say?

is it just me or are people starting to spam the thread with utter nonsense and completely unrelated replies?

Thanks for spamming the thread by posting three times in a row AFTER I just wrote that. But atleast unlike the previous ones this time it was non utter nonsense. And now we are back to where you suggested "palestinians can overthrow hamas" because apparently "Getting arms isn’t really an issue". Since these are terrorist organizations, I'll ask again, how are palestinians going to overthrow hamas?

Imagine you are a palestinian who doesn't have a gun and you don't endorse any terrorist organizations either. You just want to live just like any other. Now imagine if I was YOU and asked you(palestinian you) why aren't you overthrowing hamas? What would your response be?

originally posted by: jofafot

What the question was:

Which has nothing to do with the reason in relating to reported deaths in Gaza.

Palestinians have a culture of Jihad and martyrdom.

Hamas and the Palestinian authorities report militant deaths as civilians.

Hamas poses as civilians and hides among civilians.

Hamas chooses to hide in civilian areas and among civilians instead of separating and establishing military bases.

It’s known Hamas and the Palestinian Authority lies about civilian deaths as proven in the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital explosion on Oct 17th 2013. Where a Gaza militant rocket exploded at the hospital. With all evidence pointing to less than 100 dead. Where Hamas and the Palestinian Authority lies trying to falsely push it was an Israeli air strike. Where the number was inflated 5 times to supposedly 500 killed.

These are facts. Facts you can’t handle.

after looking at the events of the past surrounding this situation, im inclined to believe its our fault, because we keep flip flopping, when we oppose israel it emboldens the palestinians to attack israel, when we support israel it emboldens the israelis to attack, seems to me we need to either pick a side to unilaterally support, act ourselves in the area or we need to get out of that situation entirely.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: jofafot

What the question was:

Which has nothing to do with the reason in relating to reported deaths in Gaza.

Palestinians have a culture of Jihad and martyrdom.

Hamas and the Palestinian authorities report militant deaths as civilians.

Hamas poses as civilians and hides among civilians.

Hamas chooses to hide in civilian areas and among civilians instead of separating and establishing military bases.

It’s known Hamas and the Palestinian Authority lies about civilian deaths as proven in the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital explosion on Oct 17th 2013. Where a Gaza militant rocket exploded at the hospital. With all evidence pointing to less than 100 dead. Where Hamas and the Palestinian Authority lies trying to falsely push it was an Israeli air strike. Where the number was inflated 5 times to supposedly 500 killed.

These are facts. Facts you can’t handle.

It has everything to do with reported deaths. There are innocent deaths among them and you are using "it is not my problem something like 5% of them are terrorists so they deserved to die" excuse.

If all palestinians really do have "culture of Jihad and martyrdom" why are there only around 30.000 of them (OUT OF 2 MILLION+) fighting idf right now?

Also, can you please find and quote me where I actually said the anything I've listed below, since you specifically said:

These are facts. Facts you can’t handle.:

I don't want your imagination. I want you to find my messages where I said those things you claim "you can't handle them". Here's the list of messages you need to find:

1. Hamas and the Palestinian authorities do NOT report militant deaths as civilians
   
2. Hamas does NOT pose as civilians and does NOT hide among civilians.
   
3. Hamas does NOT hide in civilian areas and among civilians instead they DO have military bases
   
4. Hamas did NOT lie about the hospital incident
   

We’ll done

a reply to: AliceTheSmall

Nvm

a reply to: KrustyKrab

Oh wow, he was serious when he posted that?

WTF?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: KrustyKrab

Oh wow, he was serious when he posted that?

WTF?

🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤣 Crazy world!

originally posted by: jofafot


If all palestinians really do have "culture of Jihad and martyrdom" why are there only around 30.000 of them (OUT OF 2 MILLION+) fighting idf right now?

Have they surrendered yet?

originally posted by: jofafot


Also, can you please find and quote me where I actually said the anything I've listed below, since you specifically said:

Funny. You didn’t mention in the context of the provided example?

Full context of the post.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: jofafot

What the question was:

Which has nothing to do with the reason in relating to reported deaths in Gaza.

Palestinians have a culture of Jihad and martyrdom.

Hamas and the Palestinian authorities report militant deaths as civilians.

Hamas poses as civilians and hides among civilians.

Hamas chooses to hide in civilian areas and among civilians instead of separating and establishing military bases.

It’s known Hamas and the Palestinian Authority lies about civilian deaths as proven in the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital explosion on Oct 17th 2013. Where a Gaza militant rocket exploded at the hospital. With all evidence pointing to less than 100 dead. Where Hamas and the Palestinian Authority lies trying to falsely push it was an Israeli air strike. Where the number was inflated 5 times to supposedly 500 killed.

These are facts. Facts you can’t handle.

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
You don’t know much about the Palestinian people and their history do you? It’s all in the history books waiting for you to learn.

I know a whole lot more than you do.

About not just Palestinian history but also Jewish culture and Zionist ideology and the overall history of the region going way back before the time of Herzl. This includes even knowing a few members of each group personally.

I really haven't felt the need to crack open a history book at all. So I haven't.

If it were possible to share my overall perspective on all this, I would be so happy to...but it is far more dimensional than just posting links to this and that site on this or that statistic or statement. There is a whole picture here which is far clearer than the nonsense that the propaganda machine is successfully feeding many Americans/westerners. So I'm willing to settle for maybe sparking some new curiosity in a few people here and there.

originally posted by: namehere
after looking at the events of the past surrounding this situation, im inclined to believe its our fault, because we keep flip flopping, when we oppose israel it emboldens the palestinians to attack israel, when we support israel it emboldens the israelis to attack, seems to me we need to either pick a side to unilaterally support, act ourselves in the area or we need to get out of that situation entirely.

I feel the US bears a huge part of the accountability/responsibility for this, ever since Harry Truman recognized the State of Israel just 11 minutes after the end of the British Mandate/declaration of independence by the State of Israel!

But I can't remember any time we actually have opposed Israel. Even currently, with the administration doing something unprecedented and denying shipment of Mark84's and such to Israel, I wouldn't call it actually opposing. I wonder how long it will take them to cave? I hope they don't, though, and maybe since the UK joined them soon after, they can hold strong and do a big part to bring this current crises to an end.

originally posted by: Lazy88

Yes, I've seen that.
I thought you were going to show a picture of a little kid sending rockets?

originally posted by: Lazy88

Ironic if “Palestinians” want peace they have numerous armed terrorist groups working with Hamas?

It's not like the Palestinians have any say-so over anything. It seems to me that they DO want peace:

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall

originally posted by: Lazy88

Ironic if “Palestinians” want peace they have numerous armed terrorist groups working with Hamas?

It's not like the Palestinians have any say-so over anything. It seems to me that they DO want peace:

Ok. From Hamas that violates cease fires, what security would Israel get from Hamas staying in power from this proposed cease fire.

a reply to: AliceTheSmall

Why would you think that.

The context…

jofafot
a reply to: Lazy88

How many palestinians do you think are capable of buying weapons in palestine,

My actual reply

originally posted by: Lazy88


And yet we see them dressing up children as jihadists with weapons, and rockets being fired from Gaza neighborhoods.

Surely Hamas wouldn’t kill Gaza civilians?


If the million Palestinians took away the mandate of a few thousand Hamas members for governing, not much Hamas could do.

Can you name the age of these militants?

Rocket launcher fired at Israeli forces from Gaza hospital, IDF claims

Was there a call to investigate this?

Viral video appears to show Hamas firing on civilians fleeing Gaza hospital

nypost.com...

Or was there too much true in the video for Palestinians to investigate or call for an investigation.

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall

It's not like the Palestinians have any say-so over anything. It seems to me that they DO want peace:

Things You Find in "Civilian" Gaza Homes

Major Roy Yanovsky, head of the Channel 13 News investigative desk, who is on reserve duty with the 7007th Reserve Battalion in Gaza, posted pictures of what he and other soldiers found in Gaza houses.

“Things you find in Gaza homes:” Yanovsky wrote, starting a thread and noting that the most common items were RPG missiles and Kalashnikov rifles. “The supply is highly impressive.” The second common item is explosive charges. “It’s hard to find a street without a house that has several ready-to-use, including vests, uniforms, and pretty impressive combat equipment,” he added. Yanovsky also found Russian 122 mm Grad missiles in Gaza homes, as well as a calendar with a photo of kidnapped IDF soldier Gilad Shalit and a book about the bloody Second Intifada.

Yanovsky also found “A coloring book for children that begins with a description of the Nakba, a ‘Map of Palestine’ with the monitored borders and no mention of Israel.” This “is found in almost every home,” he stressed. Yanovsky ended the thread with what he claims is “the most important finding – a transistor radio that picks up Reshet Bet everywhere and in every dungeon. The soldiers huddle around it in silence as they have the opportunity to catch up on hourly local news. This makes it possible to maintain sanity and connection to the outside world.

The End OF The Jews - Childrens Book Taught to Gazan Children
Childrens book found in Gaza.
Teaching Gazan children to slaughter the Jews.
A few screen shots of childrens TV shows is shown too.
It's all about the slaughter of Jews.

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall

I know a whole lot more than you do.

About not just Palestinian history but also Jewish culture and Zionist ideology

And yet you ignore the “Palestinian” call to jihad to cleanse the world for their god and the call for people to die as martyrs?

a reply to: FlyersFan

And what about this song? Israeli children singing about killing people in Gaza?




This was put out by the government of Israel.

This war has been going on so long, it's part of the culture of everyone in that region.

And the hate gets stirred up by people like you.

You make post after post, it seems at least once a day, disparaging Palestinians as a group.
When you keep doing this to a group, things tend to get worse not better. It's a vicious cycle.
You keep fanning the flames of hatred on both sides.