Bibi’s Dilemma

a reply to: jofafot

In war you’re going to get bombed, sorry about your bad luck. Get over it, that’s war, in war there’s collateral damage just like in every war ever fought. Civilian casualty rate in this war is same or lower than any war ever fought. Cry harder.

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

Since you’re on the subject of war crimes. What about all of the Palestinian/hamas war crimes? They should be prosecuted to the fullest, right? The brutal torturing, rape and murder of 1.3k men women and children, using civilians as human shields, harboring combatants and armory in civilian dwellings, schools, hospitals and mosques costing many men, women and children their life’s, all which are war crimes. What do you think about their war crimes that you constantly conflate with genocide?????

Anyone committing war crimes should be tried and all available evidence should be considered.
So you’re saying there were 1,300 rapes?? Were these Israelis or Palestinians or both?

I think settling areas near the Gaza border and interspersing military bases within same is ‘using human shields,’ too, don’t you? If they know there is heightened danger near walls that have enemies on the other side, why let civilians live there? Why build settlements in the very midst of adversaries?

originally posted by: SchrodingersRat

On a final note, people throw around the "zionist" word like it's evil. If you want to talk history, the Jews were there 5,000 years ago. They have more right to that land than almost anyone. Stick your "zionist" nonsense up your ass.

In its Declaration of Independence, the State of Israel described itself as Zionist. I’m not using it pejoratively but rather differentiating between ALL Jews and Zionist Jews.

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

To be honest I don’t think they really know what it means. I’ve looked it up several times trying to find something bad about it. Apparently wanting to have a secure and solid homeland is a bad thing to the puppets that keep repeating it. 🤷‍♂️

The term itself is not ‘bad.’ What is done in the name of Zionism, however, is certainly not ‘good.’ Unless you’re a Zionist, that is.

a reply to: KrustyKrab
"Pffft what if we just killed your children or any other innocent people, get over it, that's war!"
I find it interesting the people who use this "logic" would be crying rivers if they or their kids were on the receiving end of it.
I find it interesting you replied "cry harder" to a message that asks "Do you support killing of innocent people?".
I also find it interesting how both of the replies to that message never actually answered the question but always danced around it.

EDIT: As a side note, this doesn't have anything to do with the topic but I wanted to congratulate you on choosing that profile picture because I think it describes you perfectly. So, congratulations!

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: KrustyKrab
"Pffft what if we just killed your children or any other innocent people, get over it, that's war!"

What do you not get about the mindset of the Palestinians in Gaza.


They choose jihad to kill Jews and martyrdom over the safety of their children instead of creating very distinct separations between civilians and militants, and refuse to evacuate children and protect them. It’s their duty to sacrifice themselves in the name of Jihad and their god. And martyr their children.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: AliceTheSmall

Zi·on·ism
[ˈzīəˌnizəm]
noun
a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. It was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodor Herzl, and was later led by Chaim Weizmann.

I’m well aware of that.

I searched and could not find a single post or thread about all the Ukranian women and children who have died because of Russia.

Wonder why?

That’s not the subject of this thread. You should start one if you want to discuss it.

But sure Israel and Jews are bad, m'kay?

Jews aren’t bad. Israelis aren’t bad. Palestinians aren’t bad. The Zionist government of the State of Israel is committing genocide. Genocide IS bad.

Regardless of anything Hamas or anyone else has done, or even will do, genocide is bad.
There is no possible justification of genocide. NONE!

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall

One of the main arguments little brother has used to justify its ongoing and systemic ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians.

There were 400k living there in 2002, and today there are 2.375 million, so what are you talking about?

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall

Jews aren’t bad. Israelis aren’t bad. Palestinians aren’t bad. The Zionist government of the State of Israel is committing genocide. Genocide IS bad.

Regardless of anything Hamas or anyone else has done, or even will do, genocide is bad.
There is no possible justification of genocide. NONE!

What is the new definition of genocide?

If 35,000 are dead out of 2.375 million, and 25,000 are Hamas fighters that leaves 10,000 or so stuck in the grips of war. With Hamas fighting imbedded deep in the population both sides have killed civilians, so how many of that 10,000 has Hamas killed?

Hamas just says 35,000 people have died, they don't differentiate who was what, and who killed who. Your genocide argument just doesn't work and really kills any good points you might make.

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall

To be honest I don’t think they really know what it means. I’ve looked it up several times trying to find something bad about it. Apparently wanting to have a secure and solid homeland is a bad thing to the puppets that keep repeating it. 🤷‍♂️

Israel spends large amounts of money to build bomb shelters for their children, during rocket attacks they sound alarms and try to evacuate to bomb shelters, Israel makes a very distinct separation tween the majority of the population from their military and their equipment.

Palestinians have the mindset of not separating themselves from their militants, don’t have any desire to protect their children but to make them martyrs, their goal is to kill Jews and if needed make dead martyrs.

If Hamas is bot going to surrender and make human shields into willing martyrs. The death of their children are on Hamas and the Palestinians in Gaza that make every effort to martyr their children.

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall
Palestinians aren’t bad.

The ones in Gaza more than willing to martyr children are very backwards and mentally corrupt to me.

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall
Anyone committing war crimes should be tried and all available evidence should be considered.

War Crime is a paper tiger as to who does what to enforce and who is actually charged. If the world deemed it a priority there would be millions convicted around the world, and Governments would be toppled by the world police, but there just isn't anything other than people just voicing their condemnation.

Also, civilians dying in war is not a war crime. Targeting only civilians is.

a reply to: Lazy88
What YOU don't get is the fact that not all palestinians are hamas supporters and you are advocating for the death of those innocent people. No, not all of them choose "jihad". No, not all of them are hamas members.

I keep saying generalization is bad. I keep saying you certainly wouldn't want to be on receiving end of it. So don't do it.

It’s their duty to sacrifice themselves in the name of Jihad and their god. And martyr their children.

If it is ALL palestinian's duty then how come out of ~2 million palestinians there are only about 30,000 of hamas members who are currently fighting idf?

The Israel Defense Forces said Monday that troops have killed some 12,000 of Hamas’s estimated 30,000 gunmen in the Gaza Strip since war erupted on October 7

www.timesofisrael.com...

originally posted by: Lazy88

The ones in Gaza more than willing to martyr children are very backwards and mentally corrupt to me.

What do you call a population that grooms their young to hate and kill Jews? When our kids are playing sports, their kids are playing how to kill a Jew. Mothers sit and cheer their kids as Hamas pays for both Jews killed and martyrs who die for the cause. All one needs to do is go back and look at the video of the dead naked girl that they paraded through the streets as the population came out and cheered, spit, and beat her dead body, that wasn't Hamas, it was the civilians, so what is it that we are talking about here?

originally posted by: jofafot

What YOU don't get is the fact that not all palestinians are hamas supporters and you are advocating for the death of those innocent people. No, not all of them choose "jihad". No, not all of them are hamas members.

Is there anyone here, or anywhere saying let's kill 2.375 million people? Everyone is saying we need to end the regime of Hamas and reduce their fighting capabilities to zero, so you tell me how does Israel do that?

The statements above are pure hyperbole, so maybe stop that and have a more serious conversation.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Is there anyone here, or anywhere saying let's kill 2.375 million people?

Do you want me to give you a list of names of the users who say "palestinians=hamas" therefore directly implying all of them needs to die, every, single day on this forum?

originally posted by: jofafot

Do you want me to give you a list of names of the users who say "palestinians=hamas" therefore directly implying all of them needs to die, every, single day on this forum?

That looks to be your assumption as to that is what they mean. Go ask them if they want to kill all people in Gaza? Hamas is deeply embedded in the population and the population is deeply embedded in Hamas, so no matter how hard Israel works to not kill civilians too in their fight it is impossible not to.

I have said many times that if Israel was just doing a Russian style of war there would be many 100,000s of civilians dead and not just 10 to 15 thousand.

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

Since you’re on the subject of war crimes. What about all of the Palestinian/hamas war crimes? They should be prosecuted to the fullest, right? The brutal torturing, rape and murder of 1.3k men women and children, using civilians as human shields, harboring combatants and armory in civilian dwellings, schools, hospitals and mosques costing many men, women and children their life’s, all which are war crimes. What do you think about their war crimes that you constantly conflate with genocide?????

Anyone committing war crimes should be tried and all available evidence should be considered.
So you’re saying there were 1,300 rapes?? Were these Israelis or Palestinians or both?

I think settling areas near the Gaza border and interspersing military bases within same is ‘using human shields,’ too, don’t you? If they know there is heightened danger near walls that have enemies on the other side, why let civilians live there? Why build settlements in the very midst of adversaries?

I’m saying that rape and torture took place as well as murder. 1.3k were murdered and many were raped and tortured before they were murdered.

I think settling areas near the Gaza border and interspersing military bases within same is ‘using human shields,’ too, don’t you? If they know there is heightened danger near walls that have enemies on the other side, why let civilians live there? Why build settlements in the very midst of adversaries?

Lol, That’s just the same birdbrain logic all you Gaza trolls use. No, those are not human shields. Hell, mexico is brutal but we still live on the border don’t we? LOTS of countries live right next door to their adversaries without murdering their neighbors in cold blood. Sign into your other account, reword it and ask again.🙄

The Israelis on the border actually helped Gaza a lot. They were out of all of Israel the most peaceful to Gaza and they even coexisted peacefully with the Palestinians for the most part. If you do the actual research you’ll also find out why. I’m done doing Jew hating terrorist sympathizers homework for them.

a reply to: AliceTheSmall

What’s really funny is watching y’all sign in and out of all your sock account’s to star yourself 🤣. Can’t make this # up. Some of us have been here a long time, we’re not stupid to y’all’s game.

a reply to: Xtrozero

That looks to be your assumption as to that is what they mean

So is it my fault for "misunderstanding" them when they openly say "palestinians=hamas" ?