Bibi’s Dilemma

a reply to: jofafot

I was reading up on some of the “torture”. Most of it sounds like trouble prisoners being made uncomfortable.

Shrugs.


How’s that Palestinian investigation going where Hamas lied about an Israeli air strike taking out a hospital and supposedly killing 500 people. Where in reality it was a Gaza militant rocket that misfired in a parking lot. With the number of casualties inflated 5 times.

Or how about the Palestinian Authority investigations into Hamas steeling aid?

Caught on camera: Hamas terrorists steal humanitarian aid, beat civilians

www.i24news.tv...< br />

a reply to: Lazy88

I was reading up on some of the “torture”

I didn't know you could "read" the damn video. Good job. This is my last reply to you because you stopped making sense at this point. From now on, have fun talking to yourself.

Edit: Nice whataboutism:

How’s that Palestinian investigation going

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: Lazy88



Quite a few Palestinians are in Israeli jails without an actual charge or any semblance of due process. Should they be considered hostages too? Women and children are part of those numbers if you care to look it up.

Proven fact? Or Hamas propaganda?

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: Lazy88

Do you not find it silly to ask terrorists to make military bases though?

Hamas is the elected government of Gaza with a military. (Added that did a violent overthrow of the Palestinian Authority.) Still a war crime to pose as civilians, report militant deaths as civilians, cower behind civilians and civilian infrastructure, to not separate themselves from civilians.

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: Lazy88

I didn't know you could "read" the damn video.

You realize there are other sources and multiple news articles other than your “video”?

Are you the one that can’t read? Have to rely on video?

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originally posted by: Lazy88
Isreal wanted peace, Hamas forced them to react.

Really?!? If Israel had truly wanted peace, they would have done what they said they would do.

Their right to self-determination in no way takes anyone else's away. But that is how this all started. Israel took away the Palestinians' right to self-determination without any consideration whatsoever. They did this with Britain's help and it was done directly going AGAINST what the Palestine's were promised, what they rightfully expected to receive, and what they must certainly deserve if Israel or any other country deserves it, too.

That's the bottom line. Anything that happened after that is fighting back and resisting no matter the details of any particular episode because it is all the same event. And it is within their right to fight back and the governments of the whole world have been spineless cowards for 75 years except for the Arab/Muslim world. I guarantee you that if Israel would just give back what it stole, and stood down...there would be no more danger for them or for the Israeli's, and the 'terrorist threat' would be pretty much removed. Well, except for those that the CIA/MIC has created but that's another story altogether.

The narrative has been stringently cultivated and guarded by the guilty Zionist party for the duration. And it is easy to tell who believes the liars and who recognizes the truth.

Every accusation that comes from the Zionist leadership is a confession.

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: Lazy88

Edit: Nice whataboutism:

Because I can list the numerous more serious war crimes committed by Palestinians under the Hamas elected government?

Is the Palestinian Authority investigating the below too?

A former Israeli hostage said Hamas terrorists sexually assaulted her in captivity in an eight-hour interview published on March 26. Amit Soussana, a 40-year-old lawyer from kibbutz Kfar Aza, provided a first-hand account of her abduction and torture to The New York Times. On October 7, at least 10 Hamas terrorists stormed Soussana’s home and dragged her to Gaza. Approximately two to three weeks later, her guard sexually assaulted her at gunpoint. “He came towards me and shoved the gun at my forehead,” she recounted. “Then he, with the gun pointed at me, forced me to commit a sexual act on him.”

www.fdd.org...#:~:text=A%20former%20Israeli%20hostage%20 said,to%20The%20New%20York%20Times.

originally posted by: Lazy88
Really?

Really.
'quasi-constitutional laws' are not a constitution.

What’s Hamas have?

I have no idea. I was just sharing/correcting information.

double post again....keyboard is fine...I suspect a conspiracy somehow :-)

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall



Really?!? If Israel had truly wanted peace, they would have done what they said they would do.

And yet from the Oslo Accords the deal was with the Palestinian Authority.

Then Hamas violently took control of Gaza from the Palestinian Authority. Then it went from recognizing Israel to Hamas stating the destruction of Israel in its convent.


Seems Hamas was able to self determine itself into power.

a reply to: AliceTheSmall

Is it true to say Isreal has declared rights for its citizens protected and established by written law.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: AliceTheSmall

Is it true to say Isreal has declared rights for its citizens protected and established by written law.

Israel is occupying Palestine.
However some of your fellow posters on your side of the argument can't even admit who is the oppressor and occupier and who is the defendant.

Can you tell me, from a legal perspective, what legal rights an oppressor and occupier has? Does it have the right to defend itself?

a reply to: Lazy88

Is Israel the occupied country or the country that occupies the land of the Palestinians.

I am asking because you guys seem to struggle with the basics.

a reply to: Demorish

Is this false…

And yet from the Oslo Accords the deal was with the Palestinian Authority.

Then Hamas violently took control of Gaza from the Palestinian Authority. Then it went from recognizing Israel to Hamas stating the destruction of Israel in its convent.


Seems Hamas was able to self determine itself into power.

a reply to: Demorish

By the way. Why was the land occupied? Because someone tried to take away Israel shipping rights? And lead to like a six day war or something?

Simultaneously, the Israeli military launched a ground offensive into Egypt's Sinai Peninsula as well as the Egyptian-occupied Gaza Strip.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Gaza should go back to Egypt?

a reply to: Lazy88

You expect answers to you questions but do you ever give answers to questions posed to you?

Hamas is the elected government of Gaza with a military. (Added that did a violent overthrow of the Palestinian Authority.) Still a war crime to pose as civilians, report militant deaths as civilians, cower behind civilians and civilian infrastructure, to not separate themselves from civilians.

I could ask several questions of that tired old answer such as how many Gazans alive today voted for them and does your nation recognise Hamas authority or is it just an excuse when it suits people. Don't answer those questions they're just musings, instead answer my original question:

How do you expect Hamas (which is a terrorist organisation) to build military bases when there's an extensive blockade on Gaza? I even went further and claimed other terrorist organisations didn't exactly have military bases or the associated equipment and infrastructure associated with what a real military outfit would deem as a military base. We both know any sign of a base would be wiped off the map faster than you can say "is this wall plumb?"

Proven fact? Or Hamas propaganda?

Idk man... Just Google it.

Where do you think the people in prisoner/hostage exchanges came from. I've raised the issue before but got those proverbial blank stares, sounds like a human rights violation so I see the reasoning why... Or maybe I'm just ignorant to the extradition process between Israel and the non existent Gazan Nation. Just being sarcastic btw. These issues are to be dismissed at every opportunity am I right?

a reply to: Lazy88

I seriously doubt many Gazans alive today remember that.

Are you signifying this is a collective punishment thing? Why would Egypt adopt a humanitarian crisis?

Gaza could go to Israel if they could guarantee the rights of Gazans as Israelis... I never said I was smart but what's the alternative solution other than ones that leave a bad taste in the mouth? Neither Gaza or Palestine are nation's.

a reply to: RAY1990

You expect answers to you questions but do you ever give answers to questions posed to you?

Nope, deflection and whataboutism are his go to methods if he is in a bad spot(i.e can't make a counter argument). Just take a look at the video in the previous page which he ignored and used the exact same methods I just mentioned. I am speaking from experience.

originally posted by: Lazy88
What happened during the Oslo Accords?

Israel left Gaza but forgot to leave the keys.
Rabin was assassinated by the far right who then came into power (enter Bibi) and that was the end of that. Instead of pulling out of the West Bank, they built more and more settlements.

The resistance wasn't really thrilled about the agreement, anyway, since it would still deny most Palestinians their right of return.

One of the goals was to establish Palestinian self-determination, which never happened, either. That was in the hands of the Israeli's, not Hamas, and is something the Zionist regime will never allow.

originally posted by: RAY1990
Neither Gaza or Palestine are nation's.

The PLO declared Palestine statehood in 1988.
78 countries recognized it at the time. Now we are up to 143/193 at the UN.

originally posted by: Lazy88

And yet from the Oslo Accords the deal was with the Palestinian Authority.

I meant back in 1948. That is the root of the situation. Period. Anything after that is a case of occupation and resistance.
Israel made certain declarations while declaring its independence and reneged on them within weeks, if not days. Palestine was hardly consulted, and when it was, the input was ignored.

It really isn't complicated until opinions get it in the way. It seems to be the opinion of many that Israel deserves something Palestine does not. And this cannot be blamed on terrorism. Looks a lot like racism, actually.