Global Flood explains Oil Deposits and Geological layers

a reply to: andy06shake

Without sails how did it manoeuvre?

Would have been at the mercy of tides, wind, waves and currents.

Not good.

16 million animals ... if there were 2 of each species.
56 million animals ... if there were 7 of each species.

Animal POOP and PEE prove Noahs Ark didn't happen.

The myth of Noahs Ark as Literal History

Living in piles of their own dung is very unhealthy for most animals, and before long their health would suffer. The animals on Noah’s ark would have to have their cages cleaned periodically. In most places that care for animals, this is done once a day. Eight people cleaning 16,000 cages a day is absurd. A healthy human, working hard, can clean roughly 100 or so “average” cages or stables in a really tough workday. Remembering the above, we also had to allocate time to providing water and food.

Let’s take a closer look at what it takes to clean an animal’s cage.

Setting the estimate low we could say the process of removing the dung took 60 seconds for a large cage, 10 seconds for a small cage. We could say the average time spent per cage would be 30 seconds.

The dung would have to be thrown overboard eventually, so, again setting the estimate low, we could say the cleaner would have to empty his waste container only every 20 cages.

The time taken to empty the waste overboard would vary on the position of the cage being cleaned. The ones working on the deck below the water would take longer to empty their waste than the ones on the upper decks, while the ones working in the center of the ark would take longer to empty their waste than the ones on the edge. Setting the estimate low again we are looking at 3 minutes to empty waste.

Calculating this out we are looking at 17 human hours of labor removing dung.

Of course, if Noah had built various magical machines (mostly powered inclined planes and those “screw” things), the disposal of the poop would have been a bit easier.

An alternative explanation is that each animal cleaned its own enclosure periodically. However, given the lack of opposable thumbs for most of the species on the ark, this explanation is implausible.

Certainly since Scripture related nothing about the places which we said were set apart for the excrement of the animals, but tradition preserves some things, it will appear opportune that silence has been maintained on this about which reason may sufficiently teach of its importance. And because it could less worthily be fitted to a spiritual meaning, rightly, therefore, Scripture, which rather fits its narratives to allegorical meanings, was silent about this.

ORIGIN (AD 184/5-253/4)[17]

Animals also pee. Animals on the top deck would not need to have their urine dealt with because the decks could theoretically be slanted so the urine would flow out into the ocean. (God must have supplied really detailed blueprints for Noah to get all this right.) The urine on the bottom decks, however, would have to be manually removed or else it would build up and sink the ship. Say there were only 10,000 animals on the bottom two decks. Say, setting the estimate low, each animal only peed on average one fourth of a cup per day. That gives us 2500 cups (165 gallons) of urine that needed to be bilge pumped per day.

Now, reasonably, the most a person can carry[note 5] is about eight gallons per trip.[note 6] That results in roughly twenty trips per day of “piss duty”.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Kurokage

Tell me, how many Elephants or Blue Whales live in a New York apartment, let alone a rickety wooden Tardis Ark?

Tell me how many squirrels could fit into a 360 cubic foot room. 360 cubic feet is the average required. Obviously Elephants get more real estate, but this is compensated by the fact that many animals are very small and would need significantly less space.

First tell me how my beloved White Cliffs of Dover where formed?

Here's a clue.... fossilized coccoliths

a reply to: FlyersFan



Termites was the answer there.

Termites whose primary diet consists of cellulose-based materials aka wood.

On a boat made from only wood.

The mind boggles really given the amount of unsurmountable problems associated with the ludicrous tale and the cockwomble answers provided are priceless.

NEVER ANSWERED ADEQUATELY

Again - How did the ostriches get from Africa to the Middle East? How did Noah get a full years supply of seeds, roots, grasses, insects, rodents and lizards to feed the ostriches did Noah keep those rodents and lizards alive and fresh for the ostriches?

How would Noah have taken care of the ostriches? He didn't know them and wouldn't have known what they eat. And even if he did know what they ate, how did he get a years supply of African seeds, roots, grasses and insects to feed them? And how did he keep those fresh for a year?

Noah would have known NOTHING about ostriches. He would not have known that they require GRAVEL to be included into their diet. The ostriches would have died from neglect because Noah wouldn't have known to take a year supply of gravel on board the boat or each ostrich.

Ostrich Facts

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Apparently, the ark was simply made to float. LoL

Which physics and material science say is near impossible without the likes of steel and iron reinforcements never modern glue and other construction techniques not to be discovered for millennia to come.

The thing would have been down in Davy Jones's locker sharpish, no real doubt about it.

STILL NOT ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED -

Basic Termite Information

There are 2,972 species of termites. NO ... taking just one reproducing pair of termites would NOT suddenly turn into 2972 different species after getting off the boat. Noah would have had to have had termites from each of the 2,972 species.

How did the different termite species get from Africa, Europe and South America to the Middle East? MOST ARE BLIND.

LOTS of animals eat termites. Noah would have had to have had A TON of termites on board. Some animals are known to eat thousands of termites a day. Some animals that eat termites - snakes, lizards, frogs, bats, mongooses, numbats, Echidnas, anteaters, aardvarks, skunks, MORE Click Here

Termites are consumed by a wide variety of predators. One termite species alone, Hodotermes mossambicus, was reported (1990) in the stomach contents of 65 birds and 19 mammals.[127] Arthropods such as ants,[128][129] centipedes, cockroaches, crickets, dragonflies, scorpions and spiders,[130] reptiles such as lizards,[131] and amphibians such as frogs[132] and toads consume termites, with two spiders in the family Ammoxenidae being specialist termite predators.[133][134][135] Other predators include aardvarks, aardwolves, anteaters, bats, bears, bilbies, many birds, echidnas, foxes, galagos, numbats, mice and pangolins.[133][136][137][138] The aardwolf is an insectivorous mammal that primarily feeds on termites; it locates its food by sound and also by detecting the scent secreted by the soldiers; a single aardwolf is capable of consuming thousands of termites in a single night by using its long, sticky tongue.[139][140] Sloth bears break open mounds to consume the nestmates, while chimpanzees have developed tools to "fish" termites from their nest. Wear pattern analysis of bone tools used by the early hominin Paranthropus robustus suggests that they used these tools to dig into termite mounds.

How Much Can Termites Eat in a Year

Formosan subterranean termite colonies, that occur in the southern U.S., are much larger and much more destructive. A medium-sized colony of 3 million Formosan termites could eat one foot of that 2X4 board in only two days. It’s almost impossible to give a definitive answer to the question, “How much do termites eat?”

... and Noah would have had to have had a lot more than just 3 million termites on board to feed the animals for a year. They obviously could have done some serious damage to the boat. AND HOW DID HE CATCH ALL THOSE TERMITES? He was supposedly spending all his time building a boat that took decades upon decades to finish .. right???

STILL NOT ADDRESSED

How did Noah get a years supply of ants for the ant eating animals and where did he keep them and what did he feed them? How did Noah catch a year supply of ants for each animal anyways?

28 Species of Animals That Eat Ants Click Here

A years supply of fresh healthy ants for each of those animals ... two of each kind ... how'd Noah catch those ants and where did he store them and what did he feed them?

THE NOAHS FLOOD WOULD HAVE BEEN A COMPLETE FAILURE.
God would have TERRORIZED all of creation and put them through
a HORRIFYING death.
The flood was supposed to end evil, but it started right back up again.
God would have FAILED to see his plan wouldn't work.
The story makes God out to be an evil sadistic MORON.
He would have put all of creation through terror and death ... FOR NOTHING.

Any Christian pushing this story is insulting the God they claim to worship.

STILL NOT ADDRESSED -

No one in 2400BC knew how to build a boat half the size of the Titanic.
Noah and his sons were not ship builders. They weren't even fishermen.
They didn't know how to build the boat.
They didn't have the materials to build the boat.
4 men couldn't have done the job. They simply couldn't.
It would have taken decades upon decades to work on the boat.
And the boat would have ROTTED AWAY before they could finish.

AND There would have been no time for gathering animals and food for the animals.
All their time would have been spent cutting down trees, making boards,
and building the boat.

IT DID NOT HAPPEN.

a reply to: FlyersFan

He also can't address the fact that most of these animals will have a specific dietry need like The pen-tailed treeshrew of Thailand and Indonesia who only drinks the naturally fermented nectar of the bertam palm. The little creature drinks the equivalent of 10 to 12 cans of beer a night.

16 million animals ... if there were 2 of each species.
56 million animals ... if there were 7 of each species.
Animal POOP and PEE prove Noahs Ark didn't happen. The myth of Noahs Ark as Literal History

Mate you're thinking to literal ...

Imagine for a moment all of the species on the planet on a single ship. How could they do it ?

The Bible is Metaphorical and symbolic it is a representation of things that happened in our past and is not to be taken word for word literal .

They could do it by harvesting the DNA of all the animals on Earth and then placing them on a ship for safe keeping and after the disaster that destroyed a generation of man . The Earth could be repopulated with all of the animals and of course the Chosen surviving Genome of humans.

a reply to: cooperton
They rejected christianity at first but eventually accepted it, and it was centuries ago. The flood story wasn't theirs, it was invented by those in the church.

Christians have a way of incorporating local customs. Just look at christmas trees, mistletoe and even the date christmas is celebrated. Fertility symbols and easter.

You can't say it is proof of the christian global flood and also not borrowing christian history. It would have to be one or the other.

a reply to: cooperton

Surely if all mankind was wiped out, then all it's dieases was wiped out too??
Can you me tell which one of Noah's 'team' decided they'd be the "reservoir" for numerous communicable diseases like measles, pneumococcal pneumonia, leprosy, typhoid fever, typhus, small pox, poliomyelitis, syphilis, and gonorrhea, and why no one else onboard were infected?

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

The thing is God could have done all that with one snap of the omnipotent finger.

No need for mass flooding and/or harvesting DNA, nor for repopulation of the planet.

"Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" and all that jazz.

Else omnipresence/omnipotence is not all its cracked up to be would be my thinking on the matter.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

"They could do it by harvesting the DNA of all the animals on Earth and then placing them on a ship for safe keeping and after the disaster that destroyed a generation of man".

They didn't even know about DNA let alone how to "harvest" it?

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Mate you're thinking to literal ...

The Bible says nothing about harvesting DNA, these New Creationists say the Bible is a factual account and not Metaphorical and symbolic.

a reply to: Kurokage

Plus the other Elephant in the room.

With only 8 people on board.

They are simply not repopulating humanity without it looking rather funny after a couple of generations down the line.



Be great at firing out a tune on the old Banjo all the same.

a reply to: andy06shake

Well at least we know how syphilis, and gonorrhea was carried forward after the flood!!

Ice Core and Glacers Read Here

Recently an ice core nearly two miles long has been extracted from the Greenland ice sheet. The first 110,000 annual layers of snow in that ice core (GISP2) have been visually counted and corroborated by two to three different and independent methods as well as by correlation with volcanic eruptions and other datable events. Since the ice sheet would have floated away in the event of a global flood, the ice core is strong evidence that there was no global flood any time in the last 110,000 years.