Half a million people march in London for Palestine

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Your thread, your claims.
Burden of proof, is on you. Matey Peeps.

Yeah. Like PROVE your 'sources' are unbiased, and professional, and know how to count crowds.
Or admit you were just spamming the boards with agenda and bias that you agreed with.


Source 1 - a muslim dude in India pulling the number 500,000 out of his butt because he has no access to crowd information and because he's biased.

Source 2 - a socialist anti-colonizing protester also with no access to crowd information and biased.

Source 3 - a socialist anti-colonizing rag with bias and agenda and no access to crowd information.

a reply to: Leviathan4

"That's what happens when you make absolute statements with nothing to back them up."

Yes. More solid gold irony?

Back up your own statements. And your OP?

originally posted by: quintessentone
For all we know, all three figures were arrived at and deemed correct by different methods.

The three biased 'sources' by the OP didn't have any training or resources in counting crowds. They just pulled the numbers out of their butts.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: freshcedar

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: quintessentone


who am I to advise them how to wage their war?

Maybe next t6ime Hamas comes up with a plan to murder, rape and kidnap loads of Israelis and other nationalities, ordinary Gazans will decide to stop them?

If Israel's handled their security with more professionalism and didn't dismiss the crisis in Gaza, that event may never have happened. It is apparent what the government priorities are and it isn't the citizens of either country.

I really do not understand the mindset of some, as yourself, to blame Israel for not securing their border properly, as much as I think there are some sinister plots afoot on all sides in this sh#tshow, thats like putting the blame on the homeowner who forgets to lock the door one night and is broken into, is robbed, his family and himself beaten, but if he had better security it wouldnt have happened?. It is not supposed to happen whether he locked his home or not.

The onus and blame lies solely with the perpetrators who invaded his home and assaulted them.

Hammas threw the first lob, now they will reap what they have sewn.

I'm just trying to understand their dynamics and why Israel would fund Hamas and with the history of continued conflict between the two, on and off, and after security forces alerted the higher ups of increased Hamas military activity that everyone just thought it was okay to ignore it? This tragic event could have been prevented.

like I said there seems to be alot of nefarious groups involved and false flags strewn about but my overal point is that you can't blame the victims! regardless if the fences were not secure or the intelligence was snafu, that does not give Hamas any right to break through and systematically murder 1400 people, over the years all around the world there have been attacks on nightclubs, train stations, airports, just because these places were not bulletproof does not mean to say that a terrorist group has the the right to commit terror in these places.

was it the people at the boston marathons fault because the security wasnt enought to stop an attack, or the world trade center or the van in Toronto that mowed down a group of people.

This was not a war, it was a terrorist attack my Hamas and Israel retalliated.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Exactly.

"Salmon live in trees, and eat pencils".

Prove me wrong!

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
For all we know, all three figures were arrived at and deemed correct by different methods.

The three biased 'sources' by the OP didn't have any training or resources in counting crowds. They just pulled the numbers out of their butts.

I suspect they were sharing those numbers from some other sources, yet finding the original source and the formula used to get those numbers will be impossible. Having said that, we can't even get the method or formula used by the Met police either.

originally posted by: freshcedar

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: freshcedar

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: quintessentone


who am I to advise them how to wage their war?

Maybe next t6ime Hamas comes up with a plan to murder, rape and kidnap loads of Israelis and other nationalities, ordinary Gazans will decide to stop them?

If Israel's handled their security with more professionalism and didn't dismiss the crisis in Gaza, that event may never have happened. It is apparent what the government priorities are and it isn't the citizens of either country.

I really do not understand the mindset of some, as yourself, to blame Israel for not securing their border properly, as much as I think there are some sinister plots afoot on all sides in this sh#tshow, thats like putting the blame on the homeowner who forgets to lock the door one night and is broken into, is robbed, his family and himself beaten, but if he had better security it wouldnt have happened?. It is not supposed to happen whether he locked his home or not.

The onus and blame lies solely with the perpetrators who invaded his home and assaulted them.

Hammas threw the first lob, now they will reap what they have sewn.

I'm just trying to understand their dynamics and why Israel would fund Hamas and with the history of continued conflict between the two, on and off, and after security forces alerted the higher ups of increased Hamas military activity that everyone just thought it was okay to ignore it? This tragic event could have been prevented.

like I said there seems to be alot of nefarious groups involved and false flags strewn about but my overal point is that you can't blame the victims! regardless if the fences were not secure or the intelligence was snafu, that does not give Hamas any right to break through and systematically murder 1400 people, over the years all around the world there have been attacks on nightclubs, train stations, airports, just because these place were not bulletproof does not mean to say that a terrorist group has the the right to commit terror in these places.

was it the people at the boston marathons fault because the security wasnt enought to stop an attack, or the world trade center or the van in Toronto that mowed down a group of people.

This was not a war, it was a terrorist attack my Hamas and Israel retalliated.

If we are talking war, yes, you do blame the higher ups for failed command decisions which end up in tragic events for their people.

a reply to: quintessentone

That is a question for the OP to answer as he made the claim in his thread.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

That is a question for the OP to answer as he made the claim in his thread.

Not really, two claims were made by both sides. I want to see the method and maths used to find the truth, but nobody here can find that data. So here we are.

originally posted by: quintessentone
we can't even get the method or formula used by the Met police either.

Doesn't matter. They are the trained professionals who worked the crowd. They have the experience and knowledge ... we do not. Even if they were off, it's not by much. There is no way that they. mistook 500,000 for 100,000.


The REAL question and what the whole premise of this thread is based on ...... the three 'sources' used by the OP ... how did the biased, untrained, nonresourced people come up with their fantastical numbers. Answer - they pulled them out of their butts.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
we can't even get the method or formula used by the Met police either.

Doesn't matter. They are the trained professionals who worked the crowd. They have the experience and knowledge ... we do not. Even if they were off, it's not by much. There is no way that they. mistook 500,000 for 100,000.

It matters to me to find out the true numbers because it will shed light on #1 police crowd counting numbers are or are not accurate, #2 the sources we think are using accurate data should, in the future, be scrutinized and #3 political bias may be a contributing factor.

a reply to: quintessentone

"If the DC cops are using the Digital Design and Imaging Service new formula to calculate crowd size, then I'll believe it to be the most accurate, except for them using the new formula with drone footage, which would be even more accurate.

But how are we to know?"

Well, all well and good. Would-be nice if the OP might take the trouble to engage on any of this?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Would-be nice if the OP might take the trouble to engage on any of this?

He doesn't read what is posted and just keeps repeating himself.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

"If the DC cops are using the Digital Design and Imaging Service new formula to calculate crowd size, then I'll believe it to be the most accurate, except for them using the new formula with drone footage, which would be even more accurate.

But how are we to know?"

Well, all well and good. Would-be nice if the OP might take the trouble to engage on any of this?

Engage in what? We can't find the information on how police count crowds, so there is nowhere to go from here.

originally posted by: quintessentone
Engage in what? We can't find the information on how police count crowds, so there is nowhere to go from here.

The OP can admit that the 'sources' he used as proof of his assertion of half a million protestors have been totally debunked as biased, agenda driven, not able to count crowds, and totally not credible. He could have integrity and admit it. That's where to go from here.

a reply to: quintessentone

Yes, we can discuss the OP's claims, whichever they twist and turn to be?

And hold him to account

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
Engage in what? We can't find the information on how police count crowds, so there is nowhere to go from here.

The OP can admit that the 'sources' he used as proof of his assertion of half a million protestors have been totally debunked as biased, agenda driven, not able to count crowds, and totally not credible. He could have integrity and admit it. That's where to go from here.

I just posted that his source claims to be independent and accurate. I am sure they didn't do the crowd counting themselves, or did they?, there is no way to find out.

Do you think they are biased because they try to report the news from the 'oppressed peoples' side?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

Yes, we can discuss the OP's claims, whichever they twist and turn to be?

And hold him to account

How, when we can't find what the true crowd numbers are, which would show which sources are correct and which aren't?

a reply to: quintessentone

His claims, to support his agenda.

How are we disagreeing?

He claimed 500,000.

Is all?

We rarely disagree.

a reply to: quintessentone

Do your self a favor and stop ranting about irrelevant semantics.