Half a million people march in London for Palestine

originally posted by: marg6043
He is not going to give up Flyers, do not feed the trolls, is no healthy.

TRUE. I'm going to go get dinner and walk the dog.
It's much more interesting than this is.

These people love to make this propaganda but they stay away from the real threads that talks about what terrorist are and what they want even when the evidence is in the face slapping them.

TRUE. I've noticed that.

a reply to: Leviathan4

Care to address my opinion, based on decades of personal direct experience?

No?

originally posted by: marg6043
He is not going to give up Flyers, do not feed the trolls, is no healthy.

These people love to make this propaganda but they stay away from the real threads that talks about what terrorist are and what they want even when the evidence is in the face slapping them.

It kind of makes you think exactly what is going on.

I am not the one who has made the argument that the police are unbiased and independent

This is their argument
"this is the right number because the police are unbiased and independent and because they are unbiased and independent the numbers are right. More of a circular argument....'

a reply to: FlyersFan

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Why not believe them?

originally posted by: Leviathan4
That's an assertion got which you have no proof.

Proof already given multiple times.
I'm not going to cut and paste spam the board reposting for the 6th or 7th time.
Learn how to read.

a reply to: FlyersFan


Ok Liza

originally posted by: quintessentone
Lev's first source:...

... is a muslim dude sitting in India who has no way of counting people in a rally in the UK.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
No I haven't accused them of a conspiracy theory or a cover up.

Yes you did. I showed it. Pages 24 and 25. Four times.

That's a strawman

Nope. You don't know what a straw man is, do you? Nope.
You getting caught with your pants down isn't a 'straw man'.

It's not like police don't downplay the numbers.

www.bloomberg.com...

Thats New york police and talking about crime numbers.
can you get less relevant?

Not talking about, they actually downplayed the numbers, so it can and does happen.

It's a possibility that nobody from the crowd wants to address whey they say

"this is the right number because the police are unbiased and independent and because they are unbiased and independent the numbers are right. More of a circular argument...."

originally posted by: Leviathan4
This is their argument
"this is the right number because the police are unbiased and independent and because they are unbiased and independent the numbers are right. More of a circular argument....'

Again ... NO.

The police are unbiased and independent. They are trained in crowd control and in crowd counting. They are professionals with a code of ethics. They have the ability and training to know the correct number. That is why they are right.

You don't understand 'circular logic'.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
That's an assertion got which you have no proof.

Proof already given multiple times.
I'm not going to cut and paste spam the board reposting for the 6th or 7th time.
Learn how to read.

You don't have proof you have made this argument

this is the right number because the police are unbiased and independent and because they are unbiased and independent the number is right.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
Lev's first source:...

... is a muslim dude sitting in India who has no way of counting people in a rally in the UK.

I think he got it from here: take a look at the large crowd sizes...phenomenal.

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a reply to: FlyersFan

"The police are unbiased and independent"

You need proof and not an assertion

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

Care to address my opinion, based on decades of personal direct experience?

No?

Ermm....No!

Everyone get a look at the large crowd sizes.

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originally posted by: marg6043
do not feed the trolls, is no healthy..

Yep. Dinner is ready. And I'm done playing with fools for today.

I leave it at this - the whole premise of the thread is based on these as 'sources'.
Presented as 'proof' that there were 500,000 people at this rally.


PROVE your 'sources' are unbiased, and professional, and know how to count crowds.

Source 1 - a muslim dude in India pulling the number 500,000 out of his butt because he has no access to crowd information and because he's biased.

Source 2 - a socialist anti-colonizing protester also with no access to crowd information and biased.

Source 3 - a socialist anti-colonizing rag with bias and agenda.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: quintessentone


who am I to advise them how to wage their war?

Maybe next t6ime Hamas comes up with a plan to murder, rape and kidnap loads of Israelis and other nationalities, ordinary Gazans will decide to stop them?

If Israel's handled their security with more professionalism and didn't dismiss the crisis in Gaza, that event may never have happened. It is apparent what the government priorities are and it isn't the citizens of either country.

I really do not understand the mindset of some, as yourself, to blame Israel for not securing their border properly, as much as I think there are some sinister plots afoot on all sides in this sh#tshow, thats like putting the blame on the homeowner who forgets to lock the door one night and is broken into, is robbed, his family and himself beaten, but if he had better security it wouldnt have happened?. It is not supposed to happen whether he locked his home or not.

The onus and blame lies solely with the perpetrators who invaded his home and assaulted them.

Hammas threw the first lob, now they will reap what they have sewn.

I just went and put the bins out. I love the smell in the air around fireworks night, its all gunpowder and wood smoke.

I know its not strictly relevant to this thread but I needed to get away from arguing with toddlers for a bit.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: stonerwilliam

They are trained in crowd control and in counting crowds.
They worked the crowd that day and they have standards to adhere to.
The OPs muslim dude in India and his two socialist rags have agenda and no training in counting crowds.

What about the thousands of people who turn up in uniforms with no badges or numbers on their lapels ?? .

They are shipped in from Europe from a force that does not hold back and are totally illegal but are funded by the European council .

Protest in DC. Hundreds of thousands.

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originally posted by: freshcedar

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: quintessentone


who am I to advise them how to wage their war?

Maybe next t6ime Hamas comes up with a plan to murder, rape and kidnap loads of Israelis and other nationalities, ordinary Gazans will decide to stop them?

If Israel's handled their security with more professionalism and didn't dismiss the crisis in Gaza, that event may never have happened. It is apparent what the government priorities are and it isn't the citizens of either country.

I really do not understand the mindset of some, as yourself, to blame Israel for not securing their border properly, as much as I think there are some sinister plots afoot on all sides in this sh#tshow, thats like putting the blame on the homeowner who forgets to lock the door one night and is broken into, is robbed, his family and himself beaten, but if he had better security it wouldnt have happened?. It is not supposed to happen whether he locked his home or not.

The onus and blame lies solely with the perpetrators who invaded his home and assaulted them.

Hammas threw the first lob, now they will reap what they have sewn.

I'm just trying to understand their dynamics and why Israel would fund Hamas and with the history of continued conflict between the two, on and off, and after security forces alerted the higher ups of increased Hamas military activity that everyone just thought it was okay to ignore it? This tragic event could have been prevented.