Half a million people march in London for Palestine

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
I never said anything about a massive conspiracy and cover up and haven't use these words....

I didn't say you used those words. But that is indeed what you accused the UK police of. When you accused them of purposely deflating the numbers in order to somehow make their job easier .. that is a CONSPIRACY and there has to be a COVERUP of that conspiracy.

So yes, you did indeed accuse them of conspiracy and cover up ... FOUR TIMES.

You have failed to provide proof that they acted unethically, that they acted with bias and agenda, that they did not do their jobs as they were trained to do. It's up to you to prove your ridiculous claim ... a claim you made four times.

No I haven't accused them of a conspiracy theory or a cover up. That's a strawman

a reply to: quintessentone

What videos?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

What videos?

Experts in crowd counting methods.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: sendhelp

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: sendhelp
So much pro genocide, pro WW3, and anti protest, anti peace, anti justice in here lmao. Thread should have just gone a few pages, but went 30+ lol lol.

Yeah, it's the way of ATS to discredit each other, it's a shame when we could be having more intelligent discussions.

Well their news sources are like The Patriot Times or the Epoch Times or whatever similar sites and completely ignoring first hand accounts on Instagram. Their posts make it glaringly obvious, it's sad...I agree with you, cutting edge, mature conversations would be much better.

For example the conspiracy of Israel forming Hamas, that Netanyahu had Yitzahk Rabin killed, that US is providing the bombs and funding the genocide, and all the rabbit holes you could go down, and there's nothing.

There's about 4-5 super dedicated trolls, we all know who they are too.

Well to be fair this is a conspiracy site and we should expect conspiracy theorists to be front and center at times.

With this crowd counting issue, I've seen 100,000, 300,000 and a half million with many sources backing up each figure.

Can we all go with the 300,000 and call it a day?

But why don't you accept FlyersFan argument that because police are independent and unbiased we have to accept what they're saying at face value.

That's a great argument!

Don't you think so?!

I just want to see the maths with what method they used, is all I'm asking for.

I am just joking and being sarcastic.

Someone comes and claims this is the right number because the police are unbiased and independent and because they are unbiased and independent the numbers are right. More of a circular argument....

First, they need to prove the unbiased and independent claim and then to prove the 100,000 figure is true.

It's still a very large number of protesters so that shows just how important people in the U.K. view this atrocity.

They want to discredit you but picked the crowd counting issue which nobody here can prove method nor accuracy because none of us have the facts to figure it out. Maybe they will have more luck next time, hmm?

This describes their argument.

Someone comes and claims this is the right number because the police are unbiased and independent and because they are unbiased and independent the numbers are right. More of a circular argument....

First, they need to prove the unbiased and independent claim and then to prove the 100,000 figure is true.

Nome of these have happened so far and they are going on and on and on...

originally posted by: Leviathan4
The actual quotes never say that I made claims about a conspiracy theory or used this word. Or have argued the police are biased and not independent. You won't find them.

I already said you didn't use those words. But that is EXACTLY what you did. You accused them of conspiracy when you said they all did not do their jobs and that they deflated the numbers on purpose, then they would have had to cover it up. That is exactly what you accused them of ... a giant conspiracy and cover up.

The quotes are the answers to the unsubstantiated assertions by the other poster.

WRONG. The quotes are you trying to discredit the official number given by the professional and unbiased and independent UK police who worked the event. YOU accused them of conspiracy and cover up. You have not proven it.

a reply to: Leviathan4

You keep spamming the same crap over and over.
Spamming like that doesn't make what you say true.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: sendhelp

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: sendhelp
So much pro genocide, pro WW3, and anti protest, anti peace, anti justice in here lmao. Thread should have just gone a few pages, but went 30+ lol lol.

Yeah, it's the way of ATS to discredit each other, it's a shame when we could be having more intelligent discussions.

Well their news sources are like The Patriot Times or the Epoch Times or whatever similar sites and completely ignoring first hand accounts on Instagram. Their posts make it glaringly obvious, it's sad...I agree with you, cutting edge, mature conversations would be much better.

For example the conspiracy of Israel forming Hamas, that Netanyahu had Yitzahk Rabin killed, that US is providing the bombs and funding the genocide, and all the rabbit holes you could go down, and there's nothing.

There's about 4-5 super dedicated trolls, we all know who they are too.

Well to be fair this is a conspiracy site and we should expect conspiracy theorists to be front and center at times.

With this crowd counting issue, I've seen 100,000, 300,000 and a half million with many sources backing up each figure.

Can we all go with the 300,000 and call it a day?

But why don't you accept FlyersFan argument that because police are independent and unbiased we have to accept what they're saying at face value.

That's a great argument!

Don't you think so?!

I just want to see the maths with what method they used, is all I'm asking for.

I am just joking and being sarcastic.

Someone comes and claims this is the right number because the police are unbiased and independent and because they are unbiased and independent the numbers are right. More of a circular argument....

First, they need to prove the unbiased and independent claim and then to prove the 100,000 figure is true.

It's still a very large number of protesters so that shows just how important people in the U.K. view this atrocity.

They want to discredit you but picked the crowd counting issue which nobody here can prove method nor accuracy because none of us have the facts to figure it out. Maybe they will have more luck next time, hmm?

This describes their argument.

Someone comes and claims this is the right number because the police are unbiased and independent and because they are unbiased and independent the numbers are right. More of a circular argument....

First, they need to prove the unbiased and independent claim and then to prove the 100,000 figure is true.

Nome of these have happened so far and they are going on and on and on...

It's a shame we can't get past this and on to a more meaningful discussion. And I accused you of positing a conspiracy theory about the police downplaying the figure, those are my words. You can refute that as a conspiracy theory or call it what you want.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
It has been asserted the police are unbiased and independent. Not proven
.

YES IT HAS BEEN PROVEN.

How about you stop deflecting and address this -

PROVE your 'sources' are unbiased, and professional, and know how to count crowds.

Source 1 - a muslim dude in India pulling the number 500,000 out of his butt because he has no access to crowd information and because he's biased.

Source 2 - a socialist anti-colonizing protester also with no access to crowd information and biased.

Source 3 - a socialist anti-colonizing rag with bias and agenda.

Nothing has been proven.

It's just an assertion from you.

If you say it had been proven show us where the proof is that the police are unbiased and independent and there have been 100,000 protestors only.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
No I haven't accused them of a conspiracy theory or a cover up.

Yes you did. I showed it. Pages 24 and 25. Four times.

That's a strawman

Nope. You don't know what a straw man is, do you? Nope.
You getting caught with your pants down isn't a 'straw man'.

originally posted by: FlyersFan


The UK police HAVE to have integrity, independence, be non biased, professional, trained in crowds and crowd control ... they HAVE to know what they are doing and they HAVE to do it well. Otherwise they don't get hired or are quickly weeded out.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

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the source

All in theory FF , I got shirts older than some of those cops , many of them have not been vetted before they got the job , some have major convictions on their sheet yet they make it in .

2 times in my life in a country where the cops are not usually armed I could have easily taken a firearm from a police officer because od his lack of security , the first time he walked into a cafe took of his gun belt and walked 30 foot away to the counter , the second involved 3 sub machine guns and I could have had them easy ?? Nuff said

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Nothing has been proven.

Already have proven it. I'm not going to spam the boards and repost something that has been posted a half dozen times already. Learn how to read.

PROVE your 'sources' are unbiased, and professional, and know how to count crowds.

Source 1 - a muslim dude in India pulling the number 500,000 out of his butt because he has no access to crowd information and because he's biased.

Source 2 - a socialist anti-colonizing protester also with no access to crowd information and biased.

Source 3 - a socialist anti-colonizing rag with bias and agenda.

a reply to: FlyersFan

"I already said you didn't use those words"

Thanks for confirming I didn't say any of the things you argue that I did say.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
No I haven't accused them of a conspiracy theory or a cover up.

Yes you did. I showed it. Pages 24 and 25. Four times.

That's a strawman

Nope. You don't know what a straw man is, do you? Nope.
You getting caught with your pants down isn't a 'straw man'.

It's not like police don't downplay the numbers.

www.bloomberg.com...

a reply to: stonerwilliam

They are trained in crowd control and in counting crowds.
They worked the crowd that day and they have standards to adhere to.
The OPs muslim dude in India and his two socialist rags have agenda and no training in counting crowds.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Thanks for confirming I didn't say any of the things you argue that I did say.

WRONG. You did say it. Everyone saw. You accused them of a giant conspiracy and cover up. You never used those words, but that's exactly what you did. Accusing them all of engaging in a massive reduction in the number of protestors and then engaging in a massive cover up of the downplay .... that's conspiracy and coverup. That's what you did.

PROVE IT.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Nothing has been proven.

Already have proven it. I'm not going to spam the boards and repost something that has been posted a half dozen times already. Learn how to read.

PROVE your 'sources' are unbiased, and professional, and know how to count crowds.

Source 1 - a muslim dude in India pulling the number 500,000 out of his butt because he has no access to crowd information and because he's biased.

Source 2 - a socialist anti-colonizing protester also with no access to crowd information and biased.

Source 3 - a socialist anti-colonizing rag with bias and agenda.

Never made any claims that the sources are absolutely accurate. I just gave the sources that tend to show large gatherings. I have nothing to prove.

On the other hand

Someone comes and claims this is the right number because the police are unbiased and independent and because they are unbiased and independent the numbers are right. More of a circular argument....

You are struggling a lot

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
No I haven't accused them of a conspiracy theory or a cover up.

Yes you did. I showed it. Pages 24 and 25. Four times.

That's a strawman

Nope. You don't know what a straw man is, do you? Nope.
You getting caught with your pants down isn't a 'straw man'.

It's not like police don't downplay the numbers.

www.bloomberg.com...

Thats New york police and talking about crime numbers.
can you get less relevant?

PROVE your 'sources' are unbiased, and professional, and know how to count crowds.

Source 1 - a muslim dude in India pulling the number 500,000 out of his butt because he has no access to crowd information and because he's biased.

Source 2 - a socialist anti-colonizing protester also with no access to crowd information and biased.

Source 3 - a socialist anti-colonizing rag with bias and agenda.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Thanks for confirming I didn't say any of the things you argue that I did say.

WRONG. You did say it. Everyone saw. You accused them of a giant conspiracy and cover up. You never used those words, but that's exactly what you did. Accusing them all of engaging in a massive reduction in the number of protestors and then engaging in a massive cover up of the downplay .... that's conspiracy and coverup. That's what you did.

PROVE IT.

No I didn't and never used the words.
Thanks again for verifying it.

a reply to: Leviathan4

Did you, or did you not, amongst other things, post this:

"The police has an interest in downplaying the event for reasons of safety and security as well as public order and for discouraging others from participating (it makes it much easier to police a smaller crowd)."

If that isn't an accusation of Police bias, I don't know what is!