Half a million people march in London for Palestine

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

Of course it's difficult. It's no exact science.

But pulling a figure of 500,000, out of thin air, to support a pro Hamas anti Israel agenda is going to get challenged. And rightly so.

And vice versa with the 100,000 figure we need the maths involved in both calculations because from what I am learning about crowd counting there's a lot more to it than just math, also political bias to deflate or inflate numbers.

We don't need any maths involved or algorithm.
When FlyersFan says the police is unbiased and independent that seems to be more than enough and is regarded as proof.

It's the entire premise of their argument.

It goes like this.
Police are unbiased and independent hence the number given is correct.

It's like Taliban logic

Hahaha

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originally posted by: sendhelp

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: sendhelp
So much pro genocide, pro WW3, and anti protest, anti peace, anti justice in here lmao. Thread should have just gone a few pages, but went 30+ lol lol.

Yeah, it's the way of ATS to discredit each other, it's a shame when we could be having more intelligent discussions.

Well their news sources are like The Patriot Times or the Epoch Times or whatever similar sites and completely ignoring first hand accounts on Instagram. Their posts make it glaringly obvious, it's sad...I agree with you, cutting edge, mature conversations would be much better.

For example the conspiracy of Israel forming Hamas, that Netanyahu had Yitzahk Rabin killed, that US is providing the bombs and funding the genocide, and all the rabbit holes you could go down, and there's nothing.

There's about 4-5 super dedicated trolls, we all know who they are too.

Well to be fair this is a conspiracy site and we should expect conspiracy theorists to be front and center at times.

With this crowd counting issue, I've seen 100,000, 300,000 and a half million with many sources backing up each figure.

Can we all go with the 300,000 and call it a day?

originally posted by: Leviathan4
I haven't made any claims of the sort you have implied and I only said what I have doubts to the claims made by the other poster ..

That's NOT what you said. You straight up accused the UK police of a massive conspiracy to deflate the numbers to make it somehow make it easier on themselves. Pages 24 and 25. We've all seen the posts now three times. It's all there.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

Of course it's difficult. It's no exact science.

But pulling a figure of 500,000, out of thin air, to support a pro Hamas anti Israel agenda is going to get challenged. And rightly so.

And vice versa with the 100,000 figure we need the maths involved in both calculations because from what I am learning about crowd counting there's a lot more to it than just math, also political bias to deflate or inflate numbers.

We don't need any maths involved or algorithm.
When FlyersFan says the police is unbiased and independent that seems to be more than enough and is regarded as proof.

It's the entire premise of their argument.

It goes like this.
Police are unbiased and independent hence the number given is correct.

It's like Taliban logic

Hahaha

god can none of you ever tell the truth about anything?
We gave the official attendance as what the police said it was then you nuutters started saying how can you believe them ovver this little muslim newspaper in india or the commie rag that cant even pay its own staff?

Its up to you to prove that the official figure is dishonest if you dont believe it, not up to us to prove it is correct.

a reply to: sendhelp

"There's about 4-5 super dedicated trolls, we all know who they are too."

Care to name names?

originally posted by: Leviathan4
You made the claims the police is unbiased and independent and hence we need to accept the numbers given. You also asked me to disprove your assertions....

To be a police officer in the UK you have to adhere to a standard of ethics, be unbiased and independent and professional. When you aren't, you are fired. It's up to YOU to prove that they haven't been. You claimed it. FOUR TIMES on pages 24 and 25. So prove they aren't.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: sendhelp

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: sendhelp
So much pro genocide, pro WW3, and anti protest, anti peace, anti justice in here lmao. Thread should have just gone a few pages, but went 30+ lol lol.

Yeah, it's the way of ATS to discredit each other, it's a shame when we could be having more intelligent discussions.

Well their news sources are like The Patriot Times or the Epoch Times or whatever similar sites and completely ignoring first hand accounts on Instagram. Their posts make it glaringly obvious, it's sad...I agree with you, cutting edge, mature conversations would be much better.

For example the conspiracy of Israel forming Hamas, that Netanyahu had Yitzahk Rabin killed, that US is providing the bombs and funding the genocide, and all the rabbit holes you could go down, and there's nothing.

There's about 4-5 super dedicated trolls, we all know who they are too.

Well to be fair this is a conspiracy site and we should expect conspiracy theorists to be front and center at times.

With this crowd counting issue, I've seen 100,000, 300,000 and a half million with many sources backing up each figure.

Can we all go with the 300,000 and call it a day?

But why don't you accept FlyersFan argument that because police are independent and unbiased we have to accept what they're saying at face value.

That's a great argument!

Don't you think so?!

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

Of course it's difficult. It's no exact science.

But pulling a figure of 500,000, out of thin air, to support a pro Hamas anti Israel agenda is going to get challenged. And rightly so.

And vice versa with the 100,000 figure we need the maths involved in both calculations because from what I am learning about crowd counting there's a lot more to it than just math, also political bias to deflate or inflate numbers.

We don't need any maths involved or algorithm.
When FlyersFan says the police is unbiased and independent that seems to be more than enough and is regarded as proof.

It's the entire premise of their argument.

It goes like this.
Police are unbiased and independent hence the number given is correct.

It's like Taliban logic

Hahaha

god can none of you ever tell the truth about anything?
We gave the official attendance as what the police said it was then you nuutters started saying how can you believe them ovver this little muslim newspaper in india or the commie rag that cant even pay its own staff?

Its up to you to prove that the official figure is dishonest if you dont believe it, not up to us to prove it is correct.

I am sure the Police provides the 'official' attendance. And should we accept the number as true because FlyerFan has said it is?

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: sendhelp

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: sendhelp
So much pro genocide, pro WW3, and anti protest, anti peace, anti justice in here lmao. Thread should have just gone a few pages, but went 30+ lol lol.

Yeah, it's the way of ATS to discredit each other, it's a shame when we could be having more intelligent discussions.

Well their news sources are like The Patriot Times or the Epoch Times or whatever similar sites and completely ignoring first hand accounts on Instagram. Their posts make it glaringly obvious, it's sad...I agree with you, cutting edge, mature conversations would be much better.

For example the conspiracy of Israel forming Hamas, that Netanyahu had Yitzahk Rabin killed, that US is providing the bombs and funding the genocide, and all the rabbit holes you could go down, and there's nothing.

There's about 4-5 super dedicated trolls, we all know who they are too.

Well to be fair this is a conspiracy site and we should expect conspiracy theorists to be front and center at times.

With this crowd counting issue, I've seen 100,000, 300,000 and a half million with many sources backing up each figure.

Can we all go with the 300,000 and call it a day?

But why don't you accept FlyersFan argument that because police are independent and unbiased we have to accept what they're saying at face value.

That's a great argument!

Don't you think so?!

I just want to see the maths with what method they used, is all I'm asking for.

originally posted by: quintessentone
Can we all go with the 300,000 and call it a day?

No. Because it's not accurate.
That figure came from two anti-colonizing socialist rags with bias and agenda.
They have no way of knowing what the crowd number was.
They pulled that number out of their butts.

a reply to: FlyersFan

"To be a police officer in the UK you have to adhere to a standard of ethics, be unbiased and independent and professional"

Burden of proof is on you and not on me.

You have made a claim here....

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
Can we all go with the 300,000 and call it a day?

No. Because it's not accurate.
That figure came from two anti-colonizing socialist rags with bias and agenda.
They have no way of knowing what the crowd number was.
They pulled that number out of their butts.

There's no way to determine which number is accurate though.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: sendhelp

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: sendhelp
So much pro genocide, pro WW3, and anti protest, anti peace, anti justice in here lmao. Thread should have just gone a few pages, but went 30+ lol lol.

Yeah, it's the way of ATS to discredit each other, it's a shame when we could be having more intelligent discussions.

Well their news sources are like The Patriot Times or the Epoch Times or whatever similar sites and completely ignoring first hand accounts on Instagram. Their posts make it glaringly obvious, it's sad...I agree with you, cutting edge, mature conversations would be much better.

For example the conspiracy of Israel forming Hamas, that Netanyahu had Yitzahk Rabin killed, that US is providing the bombs and funding the genocide, and all the rabbit holes you could go down, and there's nothing.

There's about 4-5 super dedicated trolls, we all know who they are too.

Well to be fair this is a conspiracy site and we should expect conspiracy theorists to be front and center at times.

With this crowd counting issue, I've seen 100,000, 300,000 and a half million with many sources backing up each figure.

Can we all go with the 300,000 and call it a day?

But why don't you accept FlyersFan argument that because police are independent and unbiased we have to accept what they're saying at face value.

That's a great argument!

Don't you think so?!

I just want to see the maths with what method they used, is all I'm asking for.

I am just joking and being sarcastic.

Someone comes and claims this is the right number because the police are unbiased and independent and because they are unbiased and independent the numbers are right. More of a circular argument....

First, they need to prove the unbiased and independent claim and then to prove the 100,000 figure is true.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
Can we all go with the 300,000 and call it a day?

No. Because it's not accurate.
That figure came from two anti-colonizing socialist rags with bias and agenda.
They have no way of knowing what the crowd number was.
They pulled that number out of their butts.

There's no way to determine which number is accurate though.

See above. It's the entire premise of their argument.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
I am sure the Police provides the 'official' attendance. And should we accept the number as true because FlyerFan has said it is?

Don't pull that crap. I have nothing to do with it. You accept the number because trained unbiased UK Police, who worked the crowds that day and who have experience in crowd control and in counting crowds, say what the official attendance is. They have the resources to count the crowd and no reason to play with the numbers. THATS WHY.

They aren't some muslim dude in India, with a bias and agenda, sitting on a computer making up numbers. They aren't some 'anti-colonizing' socialist rag, with bias and agenda, making up numbers.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
a reply to: FlyersFan

"To be a police officer in the UK you have to adhere to a standard of ethics, be unbiased and independent and professional"

Burden of proof is on you and not on me.

You have made a claim here....

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We also check your social media presence.

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If you are in any doubt about if to tell us something, disclose the information. If you don’t tell us about something your application may be refused simply as you weren’t up front.

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originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
You made the claims the police is unbiased and independent and hence we need to accept the numbers given. You also asked me to disprove your assertions....

To be a police officer in the UK you have to adhere to a standard of ethics, be unbiased and independent and professional. When you aren't, you are fired. It's up to YOU to prove that they haven't been. You claimed it. FOUR TIMES on pages 24 and 25. So prove they aren't.

I didn't use any of these words or made any such claims. I have phrased it completely differently responding to your assertions.

a reply to: Leviathan4

"It goes like this.
Police are unbiased and independent hence the number given is correct.

It's like Taliban logic".


No, it goes like this. You make a thread claiming 500,000 march in London, you present sources like a Muslim journo based in India, the World Socialist Website and the Commie rag Morning Star, then accuse our Police of having an interest in deflating the number of demonstrators and then deny that you have posted what we can all see that you have, indeed, posted.

And then try to put the burden of proof about YOUR claims on others to disprove.

Even the Taliban would steer clear of that sort of "logic".

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Burden of proof is on you and not on me.

I've already proven it.
You have not proven your nonsense about the UK police conspiracy.
You have not proven your 'sources' are unbiased, without agenda, and are accurate.