Half a million people march in London for Palestine

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

I'm not the one making threads claiming 500,000 folk on the streets of London.

That's for the OP to back up that claim.

The OP relied in three sources and he/she didn't make up these claims.

You and others tried to argue they are socialist sources so they don't count. Bizarre and flawed argument when at the same time you're taking the word by the police as gospel...

originally posted by: Leviathan4
a reply to: FlyersFan

"The police are unbiased, independent, professional..."

You have to be able to prove it rather than assert it.
Nothing yet...

As I said, that's part of what it takes to be on the police force.
You insinuating that they are not is for YOU TO PROVE.
While you are at it ... prove that your three 'sources' are unbiased, independent and professional.
Good luck with that. You can't.

a reply to: quintessentone


who am I to advise them how to wage their war?

Maybe next t6ime Hamas comes up with a plan to murder, rape and kidnap loads of Israelis and other nationalities, ordinary Gazans will decide to stop them?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

Let's not forget the other important question, the sheer amount of anti Israel propaganda being posted?

We have to look at the history, do we not?

I am learning about Zionism v. Judiasm.

I have just learned there are oil/gas reserves in Gaza...cha ching cha ching.

I am learning who funded Hamas...again, history, see Israel; Netanyahu.

Are all these historical facts anti-Israel? Or learning the true facts of what's really going on?

a reply to: FlyersFan

I am not the one who goes around to show there hasn't been much support for the end of the war and for Palestine.

You said you get support and applause. It's logical in these threads when you have a group of reality deniers...

But it's fine as there are hundreds of thousands on the streets of London, and millions around the world who fight for a good cause I.e the end of the war.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
a reply to: FlyersFan

"The police are unbiased, independent, professional..."

You have to be able to prove it rather than assert it.
Nothing yet...

As I said, that's part of what it takes to be on the police force.
You insinuating that they are not is for YOU TO PROVE.
While you are at it ... prove that your three 'sources' are unbiased, independent and professional.
Good luck with that. You can't.

The police are unbiased, independent, professional..."

You have to be able to prove it rather than assert it.
Nothing yet...

You have made the claim and the burden of proof is on you. I have made no such claims...

a reply to: Leviathan4

You are the one claiming our Police are biased.

No evidence to prove that claim, just an assertion.

From thousands of miles away and lecturing folk who actually live here about things you plainly don't understand?

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: quintessentone


who am I to advise them how to wage their war?

Maybe next t6ime Hamas comes up with a plan to murder, rape and kidnap loads of Israelis and other nationalities, ordinary Gazans will decide to stop them?

If Israel's handled their security with more professionalism and didn't dismiss the crisis in Gaza, that event may never have happened. It is apparent what the government priorities are and it isn't the citizens of either country.

a reply to: quintessentone

A 25 mile oil and gas field isn't worth starting a war over

But they are a tiny country, so why doesn't Palestine get busy drilling?

Why didn't they accept a 2 state solution when offered a bunch of times?

originally posted by: Leviathan4
The OP relied in three sources and he/she didn't make up these claims.

No, you didn't make them up. You just blindly accepted crap claims with inflated numbers from biased sources because it suited your own bias.

You and others tried to argue they are socialist sources so they don't count. Bizarre and flawed argument when at the same time you're taking the word by the police as gospel...

The two 'anti-colonization' socialist 'sources' are easily dismissed. They have agenda and bias. They have no ability to count crowds. And the muslim from India is easily dismissed. Again with bias an agenda and no way to count crowds.

The police have no agenda. The police have no bias. The police have training in crowd control and crowd counting. They actually worked the event.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
You have made the claim and the burden of proof is on you. I have made no such claims...

You claim they aren't when in fact it is part of being a police officer that they have to be. Therefore it's on YOU to prove that they aren't holding up to the requirements of being a police officer in the UK.

And you continually deflect ...
Show that your three 'sources' are independent, unbiased, and that they know how to count a crowd.
Good luck with that. You can't.

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: quintessentone

A 25 mile oil and gas field isn't worth starting a war over

But they are a tiny country, so why doesn't Palestine get busy drilling?

Why didn't they accept a 2 state solution when offered a bunch of times?

Nobody knows anything about the oil/gas resources, now do they?

Many unanswered questions that take a lot of historical research to try to figure out.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
I am not the one who goes around to show there hasn't been much support for the end of the war and for Palestine.

Neither do I. I have not said anything about support one way or another.
You are making things up again. You do that a lot. It's really weird.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Do you really think the police, a government agency, have no bias in a political protest? Again, prove their estimates are accurate.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: quintessentone


who am I to advise them how to wage their war?

Maybe next t6ime Hamas comes up with a plan to murder, rape and kidnap loads of Israelis and other nationalities, ordinary Gazans will decide to stop them?

If Israel's handled their security with more professionalism and didn't dismiss the crisis in Gaza, that event may never have happened. It is apparent what the government priorities are and it isn't the citizens of either country.

and if she didnt wear a short skirt she wouldn't have gotten raped yeah? Victim blaming, man, thats the worst!

a reply to: quintessentone

Don't you believe that when someone claims the police are unbiased and independent then the burden of proof is on them? I mean this is the way it goes unless they want us to prove their assertions...

a reply to: Leviathan4

You conveniently ignore the fact that my opinion of the Police is based on decades of direct professional experience?

They certainly have had some very bad individuals and quite a few serious faults but bias on such matters ain't one of them.

Whereas your sources for your claims are rather lacking in credibility and you have no personal experience to base them on.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: quintessentone


who am I to advise them how to wage their war?

Maybe next t6ime Hamas comes up with a plan to murder, rape and kidnap loads of Israelis and other nationalities, ordinary Gazans will decide to stop them?

If Israel's handled their security with more professionalism and didn't dismiss the crisis in Gaza, that event may never have happened. It is apparent what the government priorities are and it isn't the citizens of either country.

and if she didnt wear a short skirt she wouldn't have gotten raped yeah? Victim blaming, man, thats the worst!

You are totally off the rails now with that example.

It is blaming the security forces for not doing their job. period

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

You are the one claiming our Police are biased.

No evidence to prove that claim, just an assertion.

From thousands of miles away and lecturing folk who actually live here about things you plainly don't understand?

I didn't make such claims...
So I don't need any proof.

Someone else made a claim the Police are independent and unbiased.

I suppose you dont want me to prove other people's assertions....

originally posted by: Leviathan4
a reply to: quintessentone

Don't you believe that when someone claims the police are unbiased and independent then the burden of proof is on them? I mean this is the way it goes unless they want us to prove their assertions...

What I have a problem with is nobody can tell me which crown counting algorithm the Met police used and how they arrived at their 'estimate' and the same goes for the half a million figure. Where's the math?