Half a million people march in London for Palestine

originally posted by: quintessentone
Do you really think the police, a government agency, have no bias in a political protest?

Yes. They have to be unbiased and do their job.
And they have NO REASON to deflate the numbers.

Again, prove their estimates are accurate.

Yeah right. Like I can do that sitting on my couch in Delaware.

They are the professionals. It's part of their job.
They are trained in crowd control and crowd counting.
They have the experience in it.
They worked the event.

They know what they are doing.
The three 'sources' listed by the OP do not.

a reply to: Leviathan4

Actually, it's up to you to bring the claim you made in your OP up to some standard of burden of proof?

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
Do you really think the police, a government agency, have no bias in a political protest?

Yes. They have to be unbiased and do their job.
And they have NO REASON to deflate the numbers.

Again, prove their estimates are accurate.

Yeah right. Like I can do that sitting on my couch in Delaware.

They are the professionals. It's part of their job.
They are trained in crowd control and crowd counting.
They have the experience in it.
They worked the event.

They know what they are doing.
The three 'sources' listed by the OP do not.

Prove their numbers are accurate is all we are asking.

a reply to: quintessentone

They could be floating in oil. Still, a 25 mile field isn't very much.

It's a little tiny piece of land.

Israel makes more money off pharmas than what a little bit of gas/oil in Gaza would provide.

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: quintessentone

They could be floating in oil. Still, a 25 mile field isn't very much.

It's a little tiny piece of land.

Israel makes more money off pharmas than what a little bit of gas/oil in Gaza would provide.

I wonder how deep that oil field goes?

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Don't you believe that when someone claims the police are unbiased and independent then the burden of proof is on them?

Already have. It's part of their job. If they aren't, then they can't be police. YOU claim that they are biased and have agenda. You've done it many times falsely claiming that they want to deflate the numbers. YOU need to prove that they are biased and would want to do this. You have not. You can't.

originally posted by: quintessentone
Prove their numbers are accurate is all we are asking.

Already did.

They are the professionals. It's part of their job.
They are trained in crowd control and crowd counting.
They have the experience in it.
They worked the event.
They know what they are doing.

It's up to the OP of this thread to prove HIS numbers.
He claimed half a million people were protesting.
He gave three biased sources with the inability to count.
That's not even close to being accurate.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

Actually, it's up to you to bring the claim you made in your OP up to some standard of burden of proof?

I never made any claim specifically in the OP just gave the source and later on another two sources.

I never said anything about the police.

Someone else said the police are unbiased and independent.

Burden of proof on them.

a reply to: quintessentone

I guess Palestine has found the spiggot then to let them suck up all the ME oil.

They better get busy negotiating then for a 2 state solution, like Israel offered a couple of decades ago.

They seem to have gambled and come up behind the curve, then.

Oil in Gaza doesnt change a damn thing.

Its another deflection from Israel's desire, indeed the desire of Zionism, is their own autonomy and right to exist.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Don't you believe that when someone claims the police are unbiased and independent then the burden of proof is on them?

Already have. It's part of their job. If they aren't, then they can't be police. YOU claim that they are biased and have agenda. You've done it many times falsely claiming that they want to deflate the numbers. YOU need to prove that they are biased and would want to do this. You have not. You can't.

Being part of their job if not proof and neither your assertions are. Anyone can claim anything. I didn't make any claim but doubted the numbers given by them. That's very different....

Having doubts is different to make direct and specific claims.

The whole premise of your argument is that we should accept their numbers because they are unbiased and independent...

Well you have to prove this claim.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
I never made any claim specifically in the OP just gave the source and later on another two sources.

You continually claimed 500,000. Then 300,000.
So yes, you are claiming 500,000 and 300,000 ... both.
Guess you can't make up your mind if you want to believe the two 'no colonization' socialist outlets or the Muslim in India.

I never said anything about the police.

Yes you did. You said they have an agenda to deflate the numbers.
You failed to prove this false allegation.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Being part of their job if not proof ...

Yes it is. It is part of their job to be unbiased and professional.
if they aren't, then they are fired.
You are claiming a massive conspiracy on the part of the UK police.
That they are all in on faking counting crowds for a purpose.
You fail to prove this massive conspiracy.

a reply to: Leviathan4

You do realise that we can all read your previous posts?

"I never made any claim specifically in the OP just gave the source and later on another two sources.

I never said anything about the police"

I'm afraid that is a brazen lie.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: quintessentone


who am I to advise them how to wage their war?

Maybe next t6ime Hamas comes up with a plan to murder, rape and kidnap loads of Israelis and other nationalities, ordinary Gazans will decide to stop them?

If Israel's handled their security with more professionalism and didn't dismiss the crisis in Gaza, that event may never have happened. It is apparent what the government priorities are and it isn't the citizens of either country.

and if she didnt wear a short skirt she wouldn't have gotten raped yeah? Victim blaming, man, thats the worst!

You are totally off the rails now with that example.

It is blaming the security forces for not doing their job. period

No, blame the murderers and rapists for crossing into Israel and starting all this. That is the reasonable approach, but then I shouldnt expect reason when speaking with apologists for jihadi killers should I? silly me.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Being part of their job if not proof ...

Yes it is. It is part of their job to be unbiased and professional.
if they aren't, then they are fired.
You are claiming a massive conspiracy on the part of the UK police.
That they are all in on faking counting crowds for a purpose.
You fail to prove this massive conspiracy.

Being part of their job if not proof and neither your assertions are. Anyone can claim anything. I didn't make any claim but doubted the numbers given by them. That's very different....

Having doubts is different to make direct and specific claims.

The whole premise of your argument is that we should accept their numbers because they are unbiased and independent...

Well you have to prove this claim.

And still you haven't done it.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

You do realise that we can all read your previous posts?

"I never made any claim specifically in the OP just gave the source and later on another two sources.

I never said anything about the police"

I'm afraid that is a brazen lie.

I have never made any the claims you have said I made.

I never made specific claims the police is biased or not independent. Others made there claims and syll unable to prove them.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
The whole premise of your argument is that we should accept their numbers because they are unbiased and independent...

Well you have to prove this claim.

Already did. You spamming that I didn't over and over doesn't change that fact.

Prove the massive conspiracy that you accused them of. You said they deflated the numbers on purpose. Prove it. And your false speculation that it somehow makes it easier for them to use fake numbers doesn't fly.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

You do realise that we can all read your previous posts?

"I never made any claim specifically in the OP just gave the source and later on another two sources.

I never said anything about the police"

I'm afraid that is a brazen lie.

I have never made any the claims you have said I made.

Didn't you say the police typically lie about crowd size and gave some explanation why they do it?

originally posted by: Leviathan4
I have never made any the claims you have said I made.

Yes you did. Over and over. You claimed the police conspired in a massive conspiracy to deflate the numbers of the protesters to somehow make it easier on themselves. You falsely claimed this many times.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

You do realise that we can all read your previous posts?

"I never made any claim specifically in the OP just gave the source and later on another two sources.

I never said anything about the police"

I'm afraid that is a brazen lie.

I have never made any the claims you have said I made.

Right there in your title, you claimed half a million, in words so you cant even pretend you hit a 5 when you meant to hit a 1. When asked for proof you gave us some bat# mental Indian Muslim rag and the Morning Star. a paper so useles it costs about 30p a page and has to beg for money in every issue because no one can bear to buy more than one copy of it ever.