Half a million people march in London for Palestine

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
What we should ask everyone here is to post several sources and not choose just one that may label us as biased or sensationalizing a thread. .

The police are the unbiased professionals who were in charge of crowd control and who have training in determining crowd size. There is no other source that is credible. The two listed by the OP in this thread are completely biased and agenda driven. The police have no such agenda or bias, no matter what the OP falsely claims otherwise.

100,000. The crowd was dispersed within three hours.

A large crowd for sure. But nothing close to half a million as falsely claimed.

Lev didn't claim it, he chose a news source claiming those numbers, and upon further searching many many other news sources are also claiming half a million. So without a GIS data analysis nobody really knows the real number.

We know what is going on.

They're desperate to argue there is no support for the Palestinians when the world is rapidly turning again Israel just as another Israeli Academic has said in my new thread

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And the reason is easy to guess.... The slaughtering of thousands of innocent civilians.

Many protest groups are calling it genocide. They report 99% of the killed in Gaza are civilians. I don't know what else one would label it?

Maybe dont listen to the shrill hyperbole of protest groups?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

I have had an awful lot of experience of dealing with our Police.

Have you?

My opinion is based on my own direct experience, not from googling Marxist/Socialist websites

First of all, which method of crowd counting do the Met police use?

At events in streets or a park rather than an enclosed venue, crowd counting is more difficult and less precise.

en.wikipedia.org...#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20technique%20for,the%20number%20of%20sections%20occupied.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

No, what I said is the well known truth.

A Jewish academic is not "the world".

I was sure you will try to downplay and probably misrepresent what he said. The world is turning against Israel he said because of the bombings. Many Jews have spoken out and took part in the London demonstrations.

a reply to: quintessentone

The point was about whether the Police are biased?

originally posted by: quintessentone
First of all, which method of crowd counting do the Met police use?.

Seriously? Why don't you give 'em a call and find out. Come on ....
They are trained in crowd control to know how to count crowds.
If a crowd stretches from point A to point B it's so big ... from point A to point C it's so big ... etc
They are professionals and aren't going to confuse 100,000 with 500,000.
They are unbiased and have NO REASON to underestimate crowd size.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
What we should ask everyone here is to post several sources and not choose just one that may label us as biased or sensationalizing a thread. .

The police are the unbiased professionals who were in charge of crowd control and who have training in determining crowd size. There is no other source that is credible. The two listed by the OP in this thread are completely biased and agenda driven. The police have no such agenda or bias, no matter what the OP falsely claims otherwise.

100,000. The crowd was dispersed within three hours.

A large crowd for sure. But nothing close to half a million as falsely claimed.

Lev didn't claim it, he chose a news source claiming those numbers, and upon further searching many many other news sources are also claiming half a million. So without a GIS data analysis nobody really knows the real number.

We know what is going on.

They're desperate to argue there is no support for the Palestinians when the world is rapidly turning again Israel just as another Israeli Academic has said in my new thread

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And the reason is easy to guess.... The slaughtering of thousands of innocent civilians.

Many protest groups are calling it genocide. They report 99% of the killed in Gaza are civilians. I don't know what else one would label it?

Maybe dont listen to the shrill hyperbole of protest groups?

Maybe actually read the reality of the situation there? I read - boy, blood, women, buried, men, repeated bombardment...don't you hear the shrill shreaks of terror?

One boy, his face covered in blood, cried as workers dug him out of the dirt and wreckage. Others rushed wounded men and women, covered in dust, away on stretchers or wrapped in blankets. At a nearby hospital, doctors tried to stanch the flow of blood from the head of a child laid out on the floor.

At least 15 people were killed, Gaza’s Civil Defense spokesperson said, and residents said dozens more were believed buried. The strike took place in the southern zone where Israel has told residents of the north to flee, but which has also faced repeated bombardment.

Blinken’s visit will unfold as Arab countries, including those allied with the U.S. and at peace with Israel, have expressed mounting unease with the war. Jordan recalled its ambassador from Israel and told Israel’s envoy to remain out of the country until there’s a halt to the war and the “humanitarian catastrophe.”

apnews.com...

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

The point was about whether the Police are biased?

That was not my point, I am asking which crowd counting method do they use.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
First of all, which method of crowd counting do the Met police use?.

Seriously? Why don't you give 'em a call and find out. Come on ....
They are trained in crowd control to know how to count crowds.
If a crowd stretches from point A to point B it's so big ... from point A to point C it's so big ... etc
They are professionals and aren't going to confuse 100,000 with 500,000.
They are unbiased and have NO REASON to underestimate crowd size.

It's not that simple nor accurate, read the wiki article above. No wonder they always add the word 'estimate'.

originally posted by: VermiIion
a reply to: Leviathan4

“You can’t buy a revolution, but you can support the only daily paper in Britain that’s fighting for one.

The Morning Star is a reader-owned co-operative and unique as a lone socialist voice in a sea of corporate media.”

We know you’re a socialist which is absolutely your right. When you’re posting anything from that garbage paper, or any of your other biased socialist “sources”, it kills whatever credibility you have left. You’re welcome!

Even if I was a socialist your argument is flawed. There are many sources that show the number of protestors were not 100,000.

Being a socialist paper or right wing is besides the point.

a reply to: Leviathan4

"They're desperate to argue there is no support for the Palestinians when the world is rapidly turning again Israel just as another Israeli Academic has said in my new thread"

I'm not.

Desperation is relying on a handful of cherry picked individuals and Marxist/Socialist websites to reinforce your anti Israel views.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: VermiIion
a reply to: Leviathan4

“You can’t buy a revolution, but you can support the only daily paper in Britain that’s fighting for one.

The Morning Star is a reader-owned co-operative and unique as a lone socialist voice in a sea of corporate media.”

We know you’re a socialist which is absolutely your right. When you’re posting anything from that garbage paper, or any of your other biased socialist “sources”, it kills whatever credibility you have left. You’re welcome!

Even if I was a socialist your argument is flawed. There are many sources that show the number of protestors were not 100,000.

Being a socialist paper or right wing is besides the point.

From my wiki source:

At events in streets or a park rather than an enclosed venue, crowd counting is more difficult and less precise. For many events, especially political rallies or protests, the number of people in a crowd carries political significance and count results are controversial. For example, the global protests against the Iraq war had many protests with widely differing counts offered by organizers on one side and the police on the other side.

From your post on page 1:

Half a million pro-Palestine supporters poured onto the streets of central London

. period

originally posted by: quintessentone
No wonder they always add the word 'estimate'.

And theirs is the most accurate because it's a scientific method they use and they have the experience and they actually worked the crowd. If they say 100,000, then it's 100,000 and not 500,000.

The biggest crowd I was in was one million. It was the Macys Thanksgiving Day Parade about 20 years ago. I was in the crowd and had NO IDEA how many people were there. As part of the crowd, there was no way of knowing. I only know because of the official number given by NYPD who did crowd control and counted the crowd. They based it on how deep the crowd was and how far it stretched, and by their EXPERIENCE in the matter.

There is ZERO credibility with a muslim in India giving his opinion that it was 500,000. There is ZERO credibility with a biased and agenda driven socialist outlet pulling the number 500,000 out of their butt end. Same with the biased agenda driven socialist protestor who tried to claim 300,000. These people have agenda and have ZERO training with crowd control and in counting the crowds in the UK city.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

"They're desperate to argue there is no support for the Palestinians when the world is rapidly turning again Israel just as another Israeli Academic has said in my new thread"

I'm not.

Desperation is relying on a handful of cherry picked individuals and Marxist/Socialist websites to reinforce your anti Israel views.

He is not anti- anything but the war, IMO.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
What we should ask everyone here is to post several sources and not choose just one that may label us as biased or sensationalizing a thread. .

The police are the unbiased professionals who were in charge of crowd control and who have training in determining crowd size. There is no other source that is credible. The two listed by the OP in this thread are completely biased and agenda driven. The police have no such agenda or bias, no matter what the OP falsely claims otherwise.

100,000. The crowd was dispersed within three hours.

A large crowd for sure. But nothing close to half a million as falsely claimed.

Lev didn't claim it, he chose a news source claiming those numbers, and upon further searching many many other news sources are also claiming half a million. So without a GIS data analysis nobody really knows the real number.

We know what is going on.

They're desperate to argue there is no support for the Palestinians when the world is rapidly turning again Israel just as another Israeli Academic has said in my new thread

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And the reason is easy to guess.... The slaughtering of thousands of innocent civilians.

Many protest groups are calling it genocide. They report 99% of the killed in Gaza are civilians. I don't know what else one would label it?

Maybe dont listen to the shrill hyperbole of protest groups?

Maybe actually read the reality of the situation there? I read - boy, blood, women, buried, men, repeated bombardment...don't you hear the shrill shreaks of terror?

One boy, his face covered in blood, cried as workers dug him out of the dirt and wreckage. Others rushed wounded men and women, covered in dust, away on stretchers or wrapped in blankets. At a nearby hospital, doctors tried to stanch the flow of blood from the head of a child laid out on the floor.

At least 15 people were killed, Gaza’s Civil Defense spokesperson said, and residents said dozens more were believed buried. The strike took place in the southern zone where Israel has told residents of the north to flee, but which has also faced repeated bombardment.

Blinken’s visit will unfold as Arab countries, including those allied with the U.S. and at peace with Israel, have expressed mounting unease with the war. Jordan recalled its ambassador from Israel and told Israel’s envoy to remain out of the country until there’s a halt to the war and the “humanitarian catastrophe.”

apnews.com...

while terrible to read, this is not genocide is it? Not unless you are one of the shrill, hyperbolic nutcases calling it genocide.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

Did I say "all Celtic Fans are associated with the IRA"?

No, I didn't.

Think you will find an awful lot of them supported the IRA. But I guess you don't know much about football.

You insinuated they are.
But they did have a lot of flags and singing in support of Palestine.

Look at my other thread.
A Jewish Academic says it as it is. The world is turning against Israel. Many Jews have spoken out and took part in the London demonstrations.

Seriously, you are displaying your arrogance in spades here now if you are going to try and lecture Carpy on Celtic, you don't even live here,. you probably couoldnt explain the offside rule and I am absolutely sure you know sod all about Celtic and Rangers football clubs and their fans.

What does the offside rule has to do with the fact that thousands of Scots went to see the football and this turned into a 'protest' with the crowd signing in support of Palestine.

The argument I don't live there so my opinion doesn't count is just flawed.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
No wonder they always add the word 'estimate'.

And theirs is the most accurate because it's a scientific method they use and they have the experience and they actually worked the crowd. If they say 100,000, then it's 100,000 and not 500,000.

The biggest crowd I was in was one million. It was the Macys Thanksgiving Day Parade about 20 years ago. I was in the crowd and had NO IDEA how many people were there. As part of the crowd, there was no way of knowing. I only know because of the official number given by NYPD who did crowd control and counted the crowd. They based it on how deep the crowd was and how far it stretched, and by their EXPERIENCE in the matter.

There is ZERO credibility with a muslim in India giving his opinion that it was 500,000. There is ZERO credibility with a biased and agenda driven socialist outlet pulling the number 500,000 out of their butt end. Same with the biased agenda driven socialist protestor who tried to claim 300,000. These people have agenda and have ZERO training with crowd control and in counting the crowds in the UK city.

Well your are closed minded to any facts regarding crowd counting, so I'll let you keep your fantasy. Enjoy.

a reply to: quintessentone

You tell me? You seem to be the expert, or done some Googling?

What methods do Indian journalists, the World Socialist Website, the Morning Star or demonstrators use, if any?

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
What we should ask everyone here is to post several sources and not choose just one that may label us as biased or sensationalizing a thread. .

The police are the unbiased professionals who were in charge of crowd control and who have training in determining crowd size. There is no other source that is credible. The two listed by the OP in this thread are completely biased and agenda driven. The police have no such agenda or bias, no matter what the OP falsely claims otherwise.

100,000. The crowd was dispersed within three hours.

A large crowd for sure. But nothing close to half a million as falsely claimed.

Lev didn't claim it, he chose a news source claiming those numbers, and upon further searching many many other news sources are also claiming half a million. So without a GIS data analysis nobody really knows the real number.

We know what is going on.

They're desperate to argue there is no support for the Palestinians when the world is rapidly turning again Israel just as another Israeli Academic has said in my new thread

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And the reason is easy to guess.... The slaughtering of thousands of innocent civilians.

Many protest groups are calling it genocide. They report 99% of the killed in Gaza are civilians. I don't know what else one would label it?

Maybe dont listen to the shrill hyperbole of protest groups?

Maybe actually read the reality of the situation there? I read - boy, blood, women, buried, men, repeated bombardment...don't you hear the shrill shreaks of terror?

One boy, his face covered in blood, cried as workers dug him out of the dirt and wreckage. Others rushed wounded men and women, covered in dust, away on stretchers or wrapped in blankets. At a nearby hospital, doctors tried to stanch the flow of blood from the head of a child laid out on the floor.

At least 15 people were killed, Gaza’s Civil Defense spokesperson said, and residents said dozens more were believed buried. The strike took place in the southern zone where Israel has told residents of the north to flee, but which has also faced repeated bombardment.

Blinken’s visit will unfold as Arab countries, including those allied with the U.S. and at peace with Israel, have expressed mounting unease with the war. Jordan recalled its ambassador from Israel and told Israel’s envoy to remain out of the country until there’s a halt to the war and the “humanitarian catastrophe.”

apnews.com...

while terrible to read, this is not genocide is it? Not umless you are one of the shrill, hyperbolic nutcases calling it genocide.

9,000 civilians killed so far and many other fleeing Gaza, what do you call it? Ethnic cleansing and genocidal overtones?

originally posted by: Leviathan4
There are many sources that show the number of protestors were not 100,000.

You have given three OPINION pieces as 'sources'. All three have agenda and bias. All three pulled the numbers out of their butts and have no clue what the real number is.

Being a socialist paper or right wing is besides the point.

No it's not.
Those two socialist 'sources' you gave had socialist anti-Israel alleged "colonization' agendas.
Making them completely unreliable.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
First of all, which method of crowd counting do the Met police use?.

Seriously? Why don't you give 'em a call and find out. Come on ....
They are trained in crowd control to know how to count crowds.
If a crowd stretches from point A to point B it's so big ... from point A to point C it's so big ... etc
They are professionals and aren't going to confuse 100,000 with 500,000.
They are unbiased and have NO REASON to underestimate crowd size.

Your arguments have become really desperate so to say there is no support for the Palestinians when the world is rapidly turning again Israel just as another Israeli Academic has said in my new thread.