Half a million people march in London for Palestine

a reply to: quintessentone

Numbers can fluctuate doing demonstrations.

Still no reason to suspect incorrect numbers reported by the police.

The Metropolitan Police have huge experience in controlling and managing large crowds of people of varying types many involving opposing groups intent on confronting each other.
They know exactly how to judge crowd sizes and how to apportion appropriate manpower etc.

No-one has given any sort of evidence or reasoning as to why they would either deliberately or unintentionally under report how many people were at this demonstration.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: quintessentone

Numbers can fluctuate doing demonstrations.

Still no reason to suspect incorrect numbers reported by the police.

The Metropolitan Police have huge experience in controlling and managing large crowds of people of varying types many involving opposing groups intent on confronting each other.
They know exactly how to judge crowd sizes and how to apportion appropriate manpower etc.

No-one has given any sort of evidence or reasoning as to why they would either deliberately or unintentionally under report how many people were at this demonstration.

Again, not my issue. Some people here have an issue with the author of this thread's choice of source for the high number.

Again, not my issue. My focus is to follow the worldwide protests which are asking for ceasefires, humanitarian pauses...all in all to save lives.

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Unbiased and official number by authorities who are trained in crowd control and counting the numbers. 100,000 people and it lasted less than three hours, having dispersed within three hours.

About 100,000 Turn Out in London for Pro Palestine Rally

About 100,000 demonstrators turned out in central London to show their support for Palestine and demand an end to Israel’s bombardment of Gaza.

The march in Marble Arch in central London followed the 7 October surprise terror attack by Hamas and the Israeli response. Protesters held signs that read “Freedom for Palestine” and “Stop bombing Gaza”.

The Metropolitan police estimated that about 100,000 people had turned out by 2pm on Saturday. The frontmost marchers moved along Park Lane, via Hyde Park Corner, Piccadilly and Trafalgar Square to reach Whitehall and, by 3pm, protesters had reached Parliament Square. By 5pm, much of the crowd had dispersed.

Palestinian UN Rep. Riyad Mansour speaks.

"We are not subhuman".

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: Leviathan4

from your source
Young people, students and workers carried the Palestinian flag and chanted, “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free”,

So they were not marching for peace they were calling for the extermination of Israelis and the destruction of Israel

It also mentions the official police estiomate of 100 000.

Now, why would teh police lie about this and what EVIDENCE do you have to support any claim that they lied?

1 The Police will downplay it and that's expectable.

2 The slogan doesn't imply the extermination of Jews. It could be viewed this way but it's not really the case.

3 Did you see the part where it said there were many Jews in the demonstrations?!

1 what evidence do you have that the police downplayed this?

2 So you say, but we have already established that you can't be trusted to tell the truth on this issue.

3 No I didnt read more than I absolutely had to, it was like pouring sand into my eyes.

Why I shouldn't be trusted and why those who support Israel should be trusted?

The Police gave a figure without any evidence accompanied to it. So whatever it came to their minds and very low as an estimation as it seems. Those who were in the demonstrations said otherwise

The police ludicrously still tried to claim it was smaller than last week’s 150,000-strong demonstration, saying that around 100,000 attended. This vast playing down of its size was faithfully repeated by the media, including the Guardian.

Young people, students and workers carried the Palestinian flag and chanted, “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free”, in defiance of the Conservative government’s attempts to criminalise these actions. Noticeable was the number of homemade banners, with slogans such as “Stop killing children”, “Free, free Palestine” and “End the Occupation”. A large number of Jewish protesters took part.

It says: This vast playing down of its size was faithfully repeated by the media, including the Guardian.

It refutes the whole story and the low estimates.

Just look at your refusal to engage with facts, thats a prime reason you cannot be trusted over the police, who's job is counting and managing crowds like this.

What facts? An estimation by the Police that has an interest in downplaying the event for reasons of safety and security as well as public order and for discouraging others from participating (it makes it much easier to police a smaller crowd).

An estimation by the police is not a fact.

The largest anti-war demonstration in Britain since 2003, when over a million protested the illegal invasion of Iraq, saw 300,000 people march and rally in London Saturday against Israel’s war on Gaza.

The police ludicrously still tried to claim it was smaller than last week’s 150,000-strong demonstration, saying that around 100,000 attended. This vast playing down of its size was faithfully repeated by the media, including the Guardian

www.wsws.org...



As for the trust, do you really think I am writing here in these threads (most of them are threads I have created) so to gain the trust of complete strangers online? Ha!

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: Leviathan4

from your source
Young people, students and workers carried the Palestinian flag and chanted, “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free”,

So they were not marching for peace they were calling for the extermination of Israelis and the destruction of Israel

It also mentions the official police estiomate of 100 000.

Now, why would teh police lie about this and what EVIDENCE do you have to support any claim that they lied?

1 The Police will downplay it and that's expectable.

2 The slogan doesn't imply the extermination of Jews. It could be viewed this way but it's not really the case.

3 Did you see the part where it said there were many Jews in the demonstrations?!

1 what evidence do you have that the police downplayed this?

2 So you say, but we have already established that you can't be trusted to tell the truth on this issue.

3 No I didnt read more than I absolutely had to, it was like pouring sand into my eyes.

Why I shouldn't be trusted and why those who support Israel should be trusted?

The Police gave a figure without any evidence accompanied to it. So whatever it came to their minds and very low as an estimation as it seems. Those who were in the demonstrations said otherwise

The police ludicrously still tried to claim it was smaller than last week’s 150,000-strong demonstration, saying that around 100,000 attended. This vast playing down of its size was faithfully repeated by the media, including the Guardian.

Young people, students and workers carried the Palestinian flag and chanted, “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free”, in defiance of the Conservative government’s attempts to criminalise these actions. Noticeable was the number of homemade banners, with slogans such as “Stop killing children”, “Free, free Palestine” and “End the Occupation”. A large number of Jewish protesters took part.

It says: This vast playing down of its size was faithfully repeated by the media, including the Guardian.

It refutes the whole story and the low estimates.

Just look at your refusal to engage with facts, thats a prime reason you cannot be trusted over the police, who's job is counting and managing crowds like this.

What facts? An estimation by the Police that has an interest in downplaying the event for reasons of safety and security as well as public order and for discouraging others from participating (it makes it much easier to police a smaller crowd).

An estimation by the police is not a fact.

All reports of crowd numbers can only be estimates unless a GIS data analysis is performed.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: Leviathan4

from your source
Young people, students and workers carried the Palestinian flag and chanted, “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free”,

So they were not marching for peace they were calling for the extermination of Israelis and the destruction of Israel

It also mentions the official police estiomate of 100 000.

Now, why would teh police lie about this and what EVIDENCE do you have to support any claim that they lied?

1 The Police will downplay it and that's expectable.

2 The slogan doesn't imply the extermination of Jews. It could be viewed this way but it's not really the case.

3 Did you see the part where it said there were many Jews in the demonstrations?!

1 what evidence do you have that the police downplayed this?

2 So you say, but we have already established that you can't be trusted to tell the truth on this issue.

3 No I didnt read more than I absolutely had to, it was like pouring sand into my eyes.

Why I shouldn't be trusted and why those who support Israel should be trusted?

The Police gave a figure without any evidence accompanied to it. So whatever it came to their minds and very low as an estimation as it seems. Those who were in the demonstrations said otherwise

The police ludicrously still tried to claim it was smaller than last week’s 150,000-strong demonstration, saying that around 100,000 attended. This vast playing down of its size was faithfully repeated by the media, including the Guardian.

Young people, students and workers carried the Palestinian flag and chanted, “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free”, in defiance of the Conservative government’s attempts to criminalise these actions. Noticeable was the number of homemade banners, with slogans such as “Stop killing children”, “Free, free Palestine” and “End the Occupation”. A large number of Jewish protesters took part.

It says: This vast playing down of its size was faithfully repeated by the media, including the Guardian.

It refutes the whole story and the low estimates.

Just look at your refusal to engage with facts, thats a prime reason you cannot be trusted over the police, who's job is counting and managing crowds like this.

What facts? An estimation by the Police that has an interest in downplaying the event for reasons of safety and security as well as public order and for discouraging others from participating (it makes it much easier to police a smaller crowd).

An estimation by the police is not a fact.

Why stop at half a million? If you are just gonna lie, go bigger? Say a billion people or 5 billion, if all you want is enormous numbers go big or go home!

a reply to: Leviathan4

Probably more reliable than some journalist in India?

Where did he get that figure from?

As for your comments about our Police, that's just your opinion.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: Leviathan4

from your source
Young people, students and workers carried the Palestinian flag and chanted, “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free”,

So they were not marching for peace they were calling for the extermination of Israelis and the destruction of Israel

It also mentions the official police estiomate of 100 000.

Now, why would teh police lie about this and what EVIDENCE do you have to support any claim that they lied?

1 The Police will downplay it and that's expectable.

2 The slogan doesn't imply the extermination of Jews. It could be viewed this way but it's not really the case.

3 Did you see the part where it said there were many Jews in the demonstrations?!

1 what evidence do you have that the police downplayed this?

2 So you say, but we have already established that you can't be trusted to tell the truth on this issue.

3 No I didnt read more than I absolutely had to, it was like pouring sand into my eyes.

Why I shouldn't be trusted and why those who support Israel should be trusted?

The Police gave a figure without any evidence accompanied to it. So whatever it came to their minds and very low as an estimation as it seems. Those who were in the demonstrations said otherwise

The police ludicrously still tried to claim it was smaller than last week’s 150,000-strong demonstration, saying that around 100,000 attended. This vast playing down of its size was faithfully repeated by the media, including the Guardian.

Young people, students and workers carried the Palestinian flag and chanted, “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free”, in defiance of the Conservative government’s attempts to criminalise these actions. Noticeable was the number of homemade banners, with slogans such as “Stop killing children”, “Free, free Palestine” and “End the Occupation”. A large number of Jewish protesters took part.

It says: This vast playing down of its size was faithfully repeated by the media, including the Guardian.

It refutes the whole story and the low estimates.

Just look at your refusal to engage with facts, thats a prime reason you cannot be trusted over the police, who's job is counting and managing crowds like this.

What facts? An estimation by the Police that has an interest in downplaying the event for reasons of safety and security as well as public order and for discouraging others from participating (it makes it much easier to police a smaller crowd).

An estimation by the police is not a fact.

Why stop at half a million? If you are just gonna lie, go bigger? Say a billion people or 5 billion, if all you want is enormous numbers go big or go home!

The largest anti-war demonstration in Britain since 2003, when over a million protested the illegal invasion of Iraq, saw 300,000 people march and rally in London Saturday against Israel’s war on Gaza.

The police ludicrously still tried to claim it was smaller than last week’s 150,000-strong demonstration, saying that around 100,000 attended. This vast playing down of its size was faithfully repeated by the media, including the Guardian

www.wsws.org...

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Here in darkest Wiltshire I'm seeing quite a few Ukrainian flags. Palestinian flags, not so much.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

Probably more reliable than some journalist in India?

Where did he get that figure from?

As for your comments about our Police, that's just your opinion.

The people who went there and probably have been to many other demonstrations and know about the real numbers and not what the police has given.

a reply to: Leviathan4

World Socialist Website you are relying on?

Oh.My.....

a reply to: Leviathan4
You’re using propaganda from the World Socialist Web Site.
Have you no shame?

Discarded.

a reply to: Leviathan4

You know this, how?

Of course, the demonstrators have no interest in bigging it up?

originally posted by: Leviathan4
An estimation by the police is not a fact.

Yes it is. The non biased professionals in charge of crowd control and who have the training to know crowd size say it was 100,000.

What is NOT a fact is your continued use of a socialist protestor claiming 300,000. That's NOT A FACT. That's just an OPINION from someone with an agenda. Same with your muslim OPINION from India of it being 500,000.

Your continued bizarre comment that police would purposely downsize a crowd number is absurd and unsubstantiated.

This is an example of why you have no credibility on ATS.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
The people who went there and probably have been to many other demonstrations and know about the real numbers and not what the police has given.

Biased socialist demonstrators in a crowd who have no training in crowd control do not know anything about 'real numbers'. To claim that they know more than the actual unbiased professionals in charge of crowd control is idiotic.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Here in darkest Wiltshire I'm seeing quite a few Ukrainian flags. Palestinian flags, not so much.

Slightly off topic... But there were many Palestinian flags in London and surprise surprise when Celtic played football a few nights ago. It was a great spectacle as the crowd was singing in support of Palestine (not Hamas)

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

World Socialist Website you are relying on?

Oh.My.....

No no..
The people who went there and probably have been to many other demonstrations and know about the real numbers and not what the police has given.

a reply to: Leviathan4

What's your next source going to be, Hamas?

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
An estimation by the police is not a fact.

Yes it is. The non biased professionals in charge of crowd control and who have the training to know crowd size say it was 100,000.

What is NOT a fact is your continued use of a socialist protestor claiming 300,000. That's NOT A FACT. That's just an OPINION from someone with an agenda. Same with your muslim OPINION from India of it being 500,000.

Your continued bizarre comment that police would purposely downsize a crowd number is absurd and unsubstantiated.

This is an example of why you have no credibility on ATS.

The largest anti-war demonstration in Britain since 2003, when over a million protested the illegal invasion of Iraq, saw 300,000 people march and rally in London Saturday against Israel’s war on Gaza.

The police ludicrously still tried to claim it was smaller than last week’s 150,000-strong demonstration, saying that around 100,000 attended. This vast playing down of its size was faithfully repeated by the media, including the Guardian

A very large demonstration indeed.

www.wsws.org...