Rockets fired at Israel from Gaza rocket attack terrorists have infiltrated from Gaza

Yea its prager U get over it and research it yourself if you dont like the source. but they cover the 5 different times the 2 state solution was tried and rejected by everyone except Israel.

So how exactly is israel supposed to negotiate when the other side just wants them dead?

a reply to: Phantom423

If you, as a Jew, believe the problem is really about land and borders.... why did the Arabs side with Hitler when the Jews sided with the British?

I support the right for Israel to exist. I do not support their resettlement projects.

If you, as a Jew, believe the palestinians have a right to their own state... why have they never once supported the right for Israel to exist? Only a Jew free palestine from the river to the sea (a one state solution... their final solution)!

I agree with you about the abysmal nature of war... but what you fail to realize is that their leadership never wanted peace. Never. The only peace they wanted is for Israel to not exist. Not before the settlements, and not now.

Wake up, this is about your crime of being a Jew that is still breathing! Always was!

a reply to: Phantom423

the fakestinians came from surrounding countries and were normally bad people. Arafatt and the KGB have worked together to cause this situation. None of the surrounding countries want to let them back in because they believe that they will try to take over their countries.Now NO ONE wants them at all.

NO ONE owned land except for the Brits and french when the Ottoman empire was dissolved. the brits split it up fairly but the arabs didnt agree. neither the arabs or jews in the AREA of palestinia owned the land until it was agreed on.ISrael signed their part. The arabs didnt. The brits recognized Israel alone because the arabs tried to wipe israel off the map.

The Fakestinians need to learn the lesson, you do not bite the hands that feed you,and that lands their ancestors gave up in protest are lost because they were stupid.

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: Phantom423

If you, as a Jew, believe the problem is really about land and borders.... why did the Arabs side with Hitler when the Jews sided with the British?

I support the right for Israel to exist. I do not support their resettlement projects.

If you, as a Jew, believe the palestinians have a right to their own state... why have they never once supported the right for Israel to exist? Only a Jew free palestine from the river to the sea (a one state solution... their final solution)!

I agree with you about the abysmal nature of war... but what you fail to realize is that their leadership never wanted peace. Never. The only peace they wanted is for Israel to not exist. Not before the settlements, and not now.

Wake up, this is about your crime of being a Jew that is still breathing! Always was!

That's true for a certain portion of the population. But there was a portion of the population who would have been happy to get their homes back. By example, many Palestinians would have changed their attitude towards Israel if they felt they were being dealt with fairly. But that didn't happen. As I said in my previous post, reparations have never been on the table and now it's probably too late. The point of my post was just to remind people that Israel carries a lot of responsibility for this outcome by reason of their resettlement policies. It may be hopeless.

a reply to: Phantom423

Have you seen this:

originally posted by: Phantom423

It's their money. They can do what they want. But what they don't want is resettlement of millions of Palestinians in their countries. That has been suggested before and totally rejected.

Besides, everyone (including myself) is sick and tired of the US and the EU coming up with plans that don't work. Israel needs to address the big elephant in the room. They're the only ones who can do that.

They are addressing it as we speak and wiping it out.

Very convenient to suggest it is an Israel-only issue. It seems you were very happy when Europe invented all the countries in that area in the first place, but now you say Europe, America etc. stay the hell out. Seems to me that there are issues that need to be rectified from 75+ years ago that Europe created, and countries like Jordan and Egypt are saying...Well, we got ours so F them, oh BTW FREE THE PALESTINES!

So let's say Israel made Gaza a new country tomorrow would anything change?

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Phantom423

the fakestinians came from surrounding countries and were normally bad people. Arafatt and the KGB have worked together to cause this situation. None of the surrounding countries want to let them back in because they believe that they will try to take over their countries.Now NO ONE wants them at all.

NO ONE owned land except for the Brits and french when the Ottoman empire was dissolved. the brits split it up fairly but the arabs didnt agree. neither the arabs or jews in the AREA of palestinia owned the land until it was agreed on.ISrael signed their part. The arabs didnt. The brits recognized Israel alone because the arabs tried to wipe israel off the map.

The Fakestinians need to learn the lesson, you do not bite the hands that feed you,and that lands their ancestors gave up in protest are lost because they were stupid.

Then who are the people in Gaza and the West Bank???? You've rewritten a story with no evidence.

a reply to: Irishhaf

you cant negotiate with arabs. they are too hard headed. they only understand dicatorships. Saddam had it right with how you control arabs.re take gaza. annex it. Hire blackrock to manage the place,under corporate rulership.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Phantom423

It's their money. They can do what they want. But what they don't want is resettlement of millions of Palestinians in their countries. That has been suggested before and totally rejected.

Besides, everyone (including myself) is sick and tired of the US and the EU coming up with plans that don't work. Israel needs to address the big elephant in the room. They're the only ones who can do that.

They are addressing it as we speak and wiping it out.

Very convenient to suggest it is an Israel-only issue. It seems you were very happy when Europe invented all the countries in that area in the first place, but now you say Europe, America etc. stay the hell out. Seems to me that there are issues that need to be rectified from 75+ years ago that Europe created, and countries like Jordan and Egypt are saying...Well, we got ours so F them, oh BTW FREE THE PALESTINES!

So let's say Israel made Gaza a new country tomorrow would anything change?

You totally misunderstood my post. It was about the history, not resolution to the current situation. That's hopeless I'm afraid.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Phantom423

Have you seen this:

Yes.

a reply to: Phantom423

The Palis are made up of refugees from surrounding nations. Arafatt on a hot mike admitted that they were not a real people. Former PLO leadership even have said this before.
The arabs did not own any land after the ottoman empire fell. when a country falls their deals and claims also are null and void. I didnt know they were in rebellion after the ottomans fell though at britain. If thats the case its doubly true they had no land.

Seems liek the arabs are mad because the jews were not punished for rebelling since they were being good and behaved.
Any jew who likes israel should know that peace will not come until the fake people in Gaza are gone. They should be dealt with like the caananites were and it falls perfectly in line with how muslims worship the quran. Thats how Israel should justify it.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Phantom423

The Palis are made up of refugees from surrounding nations. Arafatt on a hot mike admitted that they were not a real people. Former PLO leadership even have said this before.
The arabs did not own any land after the ottoman empire fell. when a country falls their deals and claims also are null and void. I didnt know they were in rebellion after the ottomans fell though at britain. If thats the case its doubly true they had no land.

Seems liek the arabs are mad because the jews were not punished for rebelling since they were being good and behaved.
Any jew who likes israel should know that peace will not come until the fake people in Gaza are gone. They should be dealt with like the caananites were and it falls perfectly in line with how muslims worship the quran. Thats how Israel should justify it.

Who owns and operates these olive groves? How long have the people lived there?

ISRAEL,MIDDLE EAST,NEWS,PALESTINE9,300 olive trees destroyed by Israel in the West Bank in one year, says ICRC

Ramallah, Occupied West Bank – Israeli settlers have committed violent, daily attacks against Palestinian villages and residents harvesting their olive trees over the past week.

The attacks, which include beatings of farmers and destruction of trees, preceded the formal start of the olive harvest season on October 12 in the occupied West Bank, but intensified in number over the past week.

www.aljazeera.com...#:~:text=On%20October%2012%2C%20settlers%20uprooted%20900%20olive%20and,on%20October%2013%20a nd%20sprayed%20them%20with%20chemicals.

And don't bother criticizing al Jazeera because the same articles appeared in TIME magazine and other publications.

Who owned the olive groves?

a reply to: yuppa

Who owns the olive groves?

Article from 2014:

The conflict between Israel and the Palestinians has politicised every part of life, from the birth rate to some burials. The annual olive harvest is about much more than oil.

According to the UN office for humanitarian affairs, attacks by Jewish settlers in the last five years on Palestinians and their property have destroyed around 50,000 fruit trees, mainly olives.

Palestinian farmers get a quarter of their incomes from olives, but it's about more than money.

The trees are the most powerful symbol of Palestinian attachment to the land.

A Palestinian farmer called Salah touched one of the branches of the most remarkable olive tree I saw during my trip through the West Bank.

The central core was steel-hard caldera, ancient, gnarled, almost hollow and huge.

I could not get my arms around even a quarter of the main truck, which makes the diameter something approaching 20 feet (more than six metres).

www.bbc.com...

a reply to: Phantom423

ISrael owns them since they have the military power to take them and hold them In reality.

a reply to: Phantom423

What is not clear?? No Israeli settlement or state!!! That has been their only demand since 1948! You seriously think all this is the result of a few settlements?? Get real!!!

That's true for a certain portion of the population. But there was a portion of the population who would have been happy to get their homes back

There was a portion of the Nazi population who also werent with the cause.... did that mean the USA or England or any country worth its salt would just sit back and let Hitler destroy them?


You need to understand that not everyone thinks like you do. Listen to this 5 mins clip! Its informative! This exact specific talking point funnily enough!!!

a reply to: yuppa

This is historically false

These people lived in these lands since before the ottomans, since before the bible was written.

They are refugees now because of the treaties and pacts created by people who made claims to the land and without for regard for the people who lived there.

The arabs are probably mad because some zionist jews are still trying to fullfill a command given to abraham by god to wipe out the canaans which they failed to do but think that building the third temple will absolve them and save humanity.

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: Phantom423

If you, as a Jew, believe the problem is really about land and borders.... why did the Arabs side with Hitler when the Jews sided with the British?

I support the right for Israel to exist. I do not support their resettlement projects.

If you, as a Jew, believe the palestinians have a right to their own state... why have they never once supported the right for Israel to exist? Only a Jew free palestine from the river to the sea (a one state solution... their final solution)!

I agree with you about the abysmal nature of war... but what you fail to realize is that their leadership never wanted peace. Never. The only peace they wanted is for Israel to not exist. Not before the settlements, and not now.

Wake up, this is about your crime of being a Jew that is still breathing! Always was!

It has always been about the crime of being a Jew.

Same goes for Christian believers, in their mind.

I am starting to realize that, at scale, it’s challenging for people who live in the western world to comprehend that there is a large number of people who want them dead just for existing.

Read this again:

There are many people who want citizens, allies, religious peoples, and more that WANT YOU DEAD FOR EXISTING.

No peace, no negotiation, no live-and-let-live. You. Dead. For existing.

When the above sinks in, it puts the entire issue with Gaza in a different light.

In fact, from that perspective, Israel has shown immense restraint for not taking Hamas out entire much sooner than now.

a reply to: Mantiss2021
How many tunnels are there?
Hamas is using Qassam Rockets.
Israel does go through and seek out those tunnels, and you are saying that the only reason why Hamas was able to hide them is that the Israel did not spend an additional 50 dollars from its budget for a metal detector?

Not to mention that the these rockets are also prone to being unstable, that in all of this time, not one went off, giving way to a big crater?

originally posted by: datguy
a reply to: yuppa

This is historically false

These people lived in these lands since before the ottomans, since before the bible was written.

They are refugees now because of the treaties and pacts created by people who made claims to the land and without for regard for the people who lived there.

The arabs are probably mad because some zionist jews are still trying to fullfill a command given to abraham by god to wipe out the canaans which they failed to do but think that building the third temple will absolve them and save humanity.

Off the rails again, I see!
Fact is the Jews are the historical people of that land.
You claim the palestinians lived on that land before the Torah (bible) was written.... what are you smoking?? Name me one palestinian king/head of state!!!! Go on.... Im waiting!

The absolute jargon coming out is mind-boggling!!!!!!!!


Watch this and learn your history...

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Phantom423

Have you seen this:

Mass killings in the name of democracy, freedom, and self-defence.

Israel has reacted to war crimes with war crimes killing more than 2,500 Palestinians who in their majorities are innocent civilians and many women and children.

Collective punishment is a war crime together with forcing mass displacement of millions of people cutting the water and electricity supply.

I note that I this thread there is a false equivalency created by those who support Israel openly and even in the light of the war crimes it has committed. Any criticism of Israel is regarded as Hamas support... But some members don't seem to have done well in their math and logic courses back in school.

Another very strange part of this thread is that the antisemitic card hasn't been used very much. I mean I haven't taken part in this thread, only lately and it may have been used before. But anyone wants to use it to support the war crimes committed by Israel?