Noahs Ark and the Biblical World Wide Flood Never Happened

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: cooperton
Ostriches are native to the middle east.

One species of ostrich have been in the Middle East.
There are two species.

And then he said Ostriches also could have easily migrated from Africa, which is true lol.

Ostriches can't survive a journey walking from Africa to the Middle East. They'd DIE.

Sheesh you guys are running out of bullets.

Not even remotely. You have failed to adequately address ANY of the information provided. You just make up crap and then claim 'miracle'.

There was no Noahs Flood.

There are 3 ostrich breeds.
Blues. Blacks and reds.
How can you always be so misinformed directly after a Google search?
Why do you think they would die?
Granted they establish a territory but once they leave it they just seem to keep going.
I have recovered birds 2 counties away after they fought with other birds and left.
This after 1-2 months gone and surviving on their own finding their own water and food.

Are you spitballing everything you pose as facts like you are here?

originally posted by: FlyersFan
The purpose of this thread was to show that the Noahs Ark flood was a myth.
Most people understand that. There are some who still cling to it.
The irrefutable science has been provided.
PROOF that the story is absolutely false. (and ridiculous).
Some can't handle the truth of it.

That is my point, facts have been provided and repeated over and over, some even brought over from copperton's own thread.

Anyone who was going to side one way or the other probably did it in the other thread.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

All good for the poultry then. Everything else, not so good.

Including the humans.

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
There are 3 ostrich breeds.
Blues. Blacks and reds.

Those are colors. Not SPECIES. I said SPECIES.
Species and breeds/colors are different.

From multiple source -

PBS Ostrich Fact Sheet

There are two living species of Ostrich: the Common Ostrich, and the Samoli Ostrich

PetKeen Ostrich Species

Nowadays, there are only two living species of ostrich left, or even only one, according to some taxonomic references. Indeed, some sources consider the Somali ostrich to be a separate species from the African ostrich, while others categorize it as a mere subspecies of the African ostrich.

Info Here

There are two living species of ostrich: the common ostrich, native to large areas of sub-Saharan Africa, and the Somali ostrich, native to the Horn of Africa.

Animalia Ostrich

The Common ostrich (Struthio camelus), or simply ostrich, is a species of flightless bird native to certain large areas of Africa and is the largest living bird species. It is one of two extant species of ostriches, the only living members of the genus Struthio in the ratite order of birds. The other is the Somali ostrich ....

How can you always be so misinformed directly after a Google search?

"always so misinformed" ... that's not even remotely true.
You just want to argue with someone. I'm not biting.

And you just changed your post to read this drivel ....

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
Are you spitballing everything you pose as facts like you are here?

I just proved you wrong. Yet you keep trying to insult my intelligence.
Boy do you look dumb.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: FlyersFan
The purpose of this thread was to show that the Noahs Ark flood was a myth.
Most people understand that. There are some who still cling to it.
The irrefutable science has been provided.
PROOF that the story is absolutely false. (and ridiculous).
Some can't handle the truth of it.

That is my point, facts have been provided and repeated over and over, some even brought over from copperton's own thread.

Anyone who was going to side one way or the other probably did it in the other thread.

Something we can agree on.
In the other thread I came to realize both sides are faith based and the arguments presented are not to convince the other posters, because we cannot.
But to sway the middle of the road people who do not post.
The posters on either side in this thread are faith based. Building in faith.
If you notice there is no back slapping cheerleaders from our side.
It isn't needed.
I have to remember to even star a post here and there.
We are not doing this to show our collective Google intelligence.
It is an exercise in building faith.
Imo, even more from your side because of the consequences of you being wrong and inevitably accountable for what you say and do in relation to your Creator.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
There are 3 ostrich breeds.
Blues. Blacks and reds.

Those are colors. Not SPECIES. I said SPECIES.
Species and breeds/colors are different.

From multiple source -

PBS Ostrich Fact Sheet

There are two living species of Ostrich: the Common Ostrich, and the Samoli Ostrich

PetKeen Ostrich Species

Nowadays, there are only two living species of ostrich left, or even only one, according to some taxonomic references. Indeed, some sources consider the Somali ostrich to be a separate species from the African ostrich, while others categorize it as a mere subspecies of the African ostrich.

Info Here

There are two living species of ostrich: the common ostrich, native to large areas of sub-Saharan Africa, and the Somali ostrich, native to the Horn of Africa.

Animalia Ostrich

The Common ostrich (Struthio camelus), or simply ostrich, is a species of flightless bird native to certain large areas of Africa and is the largest living bird species. It is one of two extant species of ostriches, the only living members of the genus Struthio in the ratite order of birds. The other is the Somali ostrich ....

How can you always be so misinformed directly after a Google search?

"always so misinformed" ... that's not even remotely true.
You just want to argue with someone. I'm not biting.

And you just changed your post to read this drivel ....

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
Are you spitballing everything you pose as facts like you are here?

I just proved you wrong. Yet you keep trying to insult my intelligence.
Boy do you look dumb.

Rhodesian reds.
Zimbabwe blue.
South Africa blacks, or feather birds
The colors show up on their necks the most

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
Rhodesian reds.
Zimbabwe blue.
South Africa blacks, or feather birds
The colors show up on their necks the most

And those are not SPECIES. Those are colors.
I said there are two SPECIES and I am correct.
You said I was wrong and you insulted me ... more than once.
You should APOLOGIZE.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

'The posters on either side in this thread are faith based".

No, that would be the fundamentalist religious folk.

Others rely on facts, science and logic.

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
The posters on either side in this thread are faith based. Building in faith.

Wrong, I did the salt water and dyed freshwater test myself. In less than 10 seconds the fresh water layer was salty to the taste.

I posted a video showing why that experiment causes the illusion of a fresh water layer.

That isn't faith based.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: FlyersFan

I think it's likely that the flood stories came from the Younger Dryas period.

I tend to agree with this theory. There is definitely is evidence of a flood that effected most of the world. And have been one of organised religions biggest critics for a long time...

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
There are 3 ostrich breeds.
Blues. Blacks and reds.

Those are colors. Not SPECIES. I said SPECIES.
Species and breeds/colors are different.

From multiple source -

PBS Ostrich Fact Sheet

There are two living species of Ostrich: the Common Ostrich, and the Samoli Ostrich

PetKeen Ostrich Species

Nowadays, there are only two living species of ostrich left, or even only one, according to some taxonomic references. Indeed, some sources consider the Somali ostrich to be a separate species from the African ostrich, while others categorize it as a mere subspecies of the African ostrich.

Info Here

There are two living species of ostrich: the common ostrich, native to large areas of sub-Saharan Africa, and the Somali ostrich, native to the Horn of Africa.

Animalia Ostrich

The Common ostrich (Struthio camelus), or simply ostrich, is a species of flightless bird native to certain large areas of Africa and is the largest living bird species. It is one of two extant species of ostriches, the only living members of the genus Struthio in the ratite order of birds. The other is the Somali ostrich ....

How can you always be so misinformed directly after a Google search?

"always so misinformed" ... that's not even remotely true.
You just want to argue with someone. I'm not biting.

And you just changed your post to read this drivel ....

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
Are you spitballing everything you pose as facts like you are here?

I just proved you wrong. Yet you keep trying to insult my intelligence.
Boy do you look dumb.

I edited that post from the point where I asked why you think they would die in migrating to Israel and on to that last sentence.
The breeds or sub species I refer to is what is common in the ostrich world.
If you want to be a stickler there is probably 1 species left after they killed off the Israeli bird that was a lot smaller.
The south African blacks came from breeding the reds and blues for many many generations.
The 3 breeds vary significantly in size, temperament, egg laying and production.

And here you are complaining about dog breeds and species.
You do not understand how generations of breeding different genetics affects appearance mannerisms and temperament.

You certainly did not prove me wrong.
You proved me right by not understanding what you read from your own source.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
Rhodesian reds.
Zimbabwe blue.
South Africa blacks, or feather birds
The colors show up on their necks the most

And those are not SPECIES. Those are colors.
I said there are two SPECIES and I am correct.
You said I was wrong and you insulted me ... more than once.
You should APOLOGIZE.

I can only apologize for my own reading comprehension or lack of it, not yours.
Read better

Oh, and ostrich do not need lizards in their diet.
Though they eat them when caught occasionally.
I have never focused on anything needed for their diet native to Africa as essential.
The birds in Idaho and Wyoming don't either

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
You certainly did not prove me wrong.
You proved me right by not understanding what you read from your own source.

INCORRECT.

The fact is ... there are TWO ostrich species.
And I was correct about that.
And my understanding is just fine .. better than yours.

I will no longer be addressing you.
Obviously you are disingenuous.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
We today have an Ark, with DNA samples from nearly all life forms on the planet.

Don't know why people don't believe the story, when it's right in front us.

And it was over 5000 years ago.

I think people are placing it at more like 12000.

I believe there was a cataclysm.

Perhaps Noah's Ark was a warning of what's to come, maybe one day, a mam named Noah and his wife will be tasked with piloting the ark we're creating when we destroy our home and he will use the DNA stored to repopulate the earth once the glaciers reform and sea levels return to normal?

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
You certainly did not prove me wrong.
You proved me right by not understanding what you read from your own source.

INCORRECT.

The fact is ... there are TWO ostrich species.
And I was correct about that.
And my understanding is just fine .. better than yours.

I will no longer be addressing you.
Obviously you are disingenuous.

Well then neither of us learned anything new from the other.
Well, I will say I never knew anyone thought the reds and blues were different species. But your article admits there are those like myself that never considered blues(somali) and reds were different species

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
Rhodesian reds.
Zimbabwe blue.
South Africa blacks, or feather birds
The colors show up on their necks the most

And those are not SPECIES. Those are colors.
I said there are two SPECIES and I am correct.
You said I was wrong and you insulted me ... more than once.
You should APOLOGIZE.

Let's finish this.
Can you tell the difference between the 2 species you are referring to without identifying them by COLOR in those photos?

Of course not.
Maybe.....that's why they are IDENTIFIED by COLOR???
I could do it in person from other identifiers.
But in a photo.
You would have no chance.

I am still thinking on it as to why they would be considered a different species.
Like calling a Bluejays and a redrobin 2 different species of birds.
Or a black Labrador and a golden retriever 2 species of dog.

No wonder you are having such a difficult time trying to fit so many more animals on the ark that is needed or even claimed to be there.

So tell me.
Could you identify the 2 different "species" of ostrich by photo without addressing the color of the skin on their neck?

I need to inform you the color on their neck is skin, not the feather dunder that actually covers it.
I say that because it is really hard to see their color in person.
Either breed is the same feather color for hens and roosters between species.
I would know them right away in person from size and temperament.
In a photo or video it takes some time to identify them.
Even more difficult when you have blue/black crosses.

But there is no discernable difference by photo other than the color of skin, predominantly in the neck.
Which is covered by the same color feather dunder for both breeds which is tan.


Is this why you need to superimpose more animals on the ark than what cooperton has repeatedly told you is needed?
You need every color of bird, lizard, mammal, dog, etc on board to make it as ridiculous as you can?

I thought on this all day.
This is why Google can be so inadequate for true study.

There is absolutely no way you could identify these 2 "species" of ostrich by photo without using the color of their skin, on their neck, under the feather cover. I could, but you probably couldn't do it if the hens were side by side in person.
Roosters maybe you could.

Wow.
Also.
They both have 2 digits at the end of their toes.
The toe is about 18 inches to 2 ft. Long with 2 digits.
This is important for kosher.
At 1st they were identified as cloven hoof and unclean.
But it is actually 1 long toe with 2 digits.
They run on their toes.

And for the record.
If you gave me a pair to breed.
1 of each species, a female black and a male red.
I could hatch about 20-25 birds The 1st year. (It's actually more with a black hen)
I would separate them by color and from there breed color to color in 2 separate herds.
The same the 2nd and 3rd year.
Each herd would begin as breeders with approximately 35-40 in each herd after 3 years.
About 60% would be hens, so about 20 hens that give me approximately 25 eggs each equals about 500 chick's.
But hatch rate and survivability around 80% so about 400 chick's on the ground in the 3rd year.
6 years later you could have approximately 250 hens laying 25 eggs equals 6000+ chick's.
3 years later it would be 4000 hens laying 25 eggs equaling 100,000.
I was just counting hens because they are layers.

In 10 years you could theoretically have 2 herds of 100,000 each.
One herd of reds.
1 herd of blacks.

And you could never tell me they are different species by anything other than the color on their neck.
And in this scenario I chose a hen that was black for a very specific reason.
The reds are bigger and wayyyyyyyy meaner.
The blacks are prolific layers and have feather quality.
The numbers I gave you are actually understated for a black hen.

Hey but of course I could be wrong.
I am sure you or someone else can come back here and show me a genetic study that shows the significant differences in these "supposed" " species".
Otherwise we will continue identifying them by the color of the skin predominantly on the neck



It is finished!

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
Let's finish this.
Can you tell the difference between the 2 species you are referring to without identifying them by COLOR in those photos?

Easy, the somali ostriches are the one attacking freighters.

Much ado about nothing, they are classified as different species because there genes are different enough.

Dog breeds are not species, there is only one species of domesticated dogs.

Are All Dogs the Same Species

It may sound odd but despite their varying appearance, yes, all dogs are considered the same species.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
Let's finish this.
Can you tell the difference between the 2 species you are referring to without identifying them by COLOR in those photos?

Easy, the somali ostriches are the one attacking freighters.

Much ado about nothing, they are classified as different species because there genes are different enough.

Dog breeds are not species, there is only one species of domesticated dogs.

Are All Dogs the Same Species

It may sound odd but despite their varying appearance, yes, all dogs are considered the same species.

Try again.

So after 40 pages has anyone mentioned the unicorns?

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation

Can you tell the difference between the 2 species you are referring to without identifying them by COLOR in those photos?

Species cannot bread with others...end of story...