Noahs Ark and the Biblical World Wide Flood Never Happened

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Oh you, with your facts, science and logic......

Gemme another one! Seriously ... every time you post a critter, we look it up and it comes up that they wouldn't have made it on the ark.

The hippo that you brought up is the best. Semi-aquatic. IMPOSSIBLE to have made it on the ark. Semi-aquatic hippos that HAVE to have fresh water daily to wade in up to their noses for long periods of time. Without it, their skin splits wide open, bleeding happens, infection sets in, and they die.

HIPPOS

There are two species of hippos, so both species would have to have been on the boat. And they are EXTREMELY aggressive. How exactly would Noah and his sons, who knew NOTHING about the animals, handle them to get them to the Middle East and then onto the boat? They eat grasses. How'd Noah get a years supply of grasses for each of the four hippos and keep it fresh? Each hippo eats 80 pounds of grass each night along with fruit. That's 320 pounds of grass for each day plus fruit ... for a whole year. That's a lot of grass! 116,800 pounds of grass for the hippos alone that Noah would have had to gather and keep fresh for a year on the boat. How'd he do that when he was supposedly spending all day every day for decades upon decades building the darn thing?

Hippos NEED fish to eat the growths off their skin. How did Noah make this happen?

More importantly, they are SEMI-AQUATIC. They HAVE to have fresh water to be puds in AND they have to have land as well. There was no fresh water ponds on the Ark for the hippo to sit in and submerge up to their noses for long periods of time. This is not a 'they like to do' .. it's a 'they NEED to do' because of their skin. So how did the four hippos have land AND water to live in ... fresh water daily since they'd poop and pee in their tanks of fresh water each day??

originally posted by: cooperton
The empirical data says they eat other foods:.

The empirical data says they die without Eucalyptus.
The empirical data says Eucalyptus is their main food, even if they nibble on others on occasion.
The empirical data says they couldn't have made it to the Middle East from Australia and the story is impossible.

originally posted by: cooperton
...prevents you from assessing reality properly.

OMG that is hysterical! You cling to a myth that is proven never to have happened, and yet you complain about others allegedly not 'assessing reality properly'. That's a hoot!

nvm

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: FlyersFan

Oh you, with your facts, science and logic......

Like wood boats being proven to be able to float for over 163 years? Or Koalas being able to eat over 30 different species of plants that are not eucalyptus?

originally posted by: FlyersFan
OMG that is hysterical! You cling to a myth that is proven never to have happened, and yet you complain about others allegedly not 'assessing reality properly'. That's a hoot!

You cling to the mythos of microbes becoming humans over a billion years lolol

Feed your pets some real food please

originally posted by: cooperton
Like wood boats floating for over 163 years?

Not wooden ships from 2400bc built by people who didn't know what they were doing and didn't understand the materials ... and that was left to rot in the natural elements of Mesopotamia for a hundred years.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Not wooden ships from 2400bc built by people who didn't know what they were doing and didn't understand the materials ... and that was left to rot in the natural elements of Mesopotamia for a hundred years.

You were the one who said wood is wood. So why would wood from longer ago be more vulnerable to the elements than they are today? You said wood cannot last for over 100 years, but it does. You refuse to admit you were wrong. You also refuse to admit that koalas eat (not just nibble) other foods besides eucalyptus.

You hate objectivity

originally posted by: cooperton
You cling to the mythos of microbes becoming humans over a billion years lolol

I have never mentioned what I believe about the creation of humans.
It hasn't been a topic here that I know of.
So you are confused. Thinking of someone else.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
I have never mentioned what I believe about the creation of humans.
It hasn't been a topic here that I know of.
So you are confused. Thinking of someone else.

Inferring from your ideology, you believe all mainstream everything.

a reply to: cooperton

Do I? Since when?

My pets get real food. I had a hen that lived to 15 years old, two long lived cats one to 19 and one over 20 years and many other happy rescue cats so I need no lectures from you, thank you very much.

In fact, I'll thank you to mind your own business.

originally posted by: cooperton
So why would wood from longer ago being more vulnerable to the elements than they are today?

A boat from 2400bc, built by people who didn't know how to build boats, built by people who didn't understand the materials, and not properly taken care of and left to the elements is Not the same as a modern day boat built with modern day materials by people who knew how to build it and how to properly use the materials and how to properly upkeep it.

Big difference.

You also refuse to admit that koalas eat (not just nibble) other foods besides eucalyptus.

Already said they eat ... NIBBLE ... other foods. YOU refuse to admit that the science has proven that without eucalyptus, Koalas will DIE. It's their main food. They have to have it.

You hate objectivity

Coming from you .. that's a riot.
Reality. Freedom of bias. You might want to work on your own objectivity.


objectivity /ŏb″jĕk-tĭv′ĭ-tē/
noun

The state or quality of being objective.

External or material reality.

The property or state of being objective, in any sense of that word; externality; external reality; universal validity; absorption in external objects.

lack of favoritism toward one side or another : freedom from bias

originally posted by: cooperton
Inferring from your ideology, you believe all mainstream everything.

Proven facts are proven facts.
Blindly following ideology based on debunked myths ...
Refusing to admit those myths have been debunked ...
... not too bright. No thanks.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
A boat from 2400bc, built by people who didn't know how to build boats, built by people who didn't understand the materials, and not properly taken care of and left to the elements is Not the same as a modern day boat built with modern day materials by people who knew how to build it and how to properly use the materials and how to properly upkeep it.

The ark wouldn't have even been in the water. And they knew of pine resin back in ancient Sumer. No reason it wouldn't be able to last like wood does today.

You assuming that Noah doesn't know how to build boats and everyone in this timeframe was stupid is your own biased belief.

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Already said they eat ... NIBBLE ... other foods. YOU refuse to admit that the science has proven that without eucalyptus, Koalas will DIE. It's their main food. They have to have it.

Where's the koala that died from eating foods besides eucalyptus? That would be empirical. But in actuality empiricism shows that Koalas eat other foods besides eucalyptus

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: cooperton

Do I? Since when?

My pets get real food. I had a hen that lived to 15 years old, two long lived cats one to 19 and one over 20 years and many other happy rescue cats so I need no lectures from you, thank you very much.

In fact, I'll thank you to mind your own business.

If you look at the post, I was speaking to flyersfan. It wasn't an unsolicited comment either, she mentioned how I would treat pets poorly so I responded with the high likelihood she gives her pets dried kibble. She may still even be wondering whats wrong with feeding animals the dehydrated homogenized meat goo

a reply to: cooperton

"the high likelihood she gives her pets dried kibble."

Right, so another unsubstantiated belief of yours?

Over to you FF?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: cooperton

"the high likelihood she gives her pets dried kibble."

Right, so another unsubstantiated belief of yours?

Over to you FF?

I dont blame her, most people were influenced into believing that dried homogenized kibble is a good healthy diet for their pet lol. We know how popular opinion goes though, eh?

I have substantiated that koalas can eat other plants and that wood boats can last over 100 years. That has been the main points of discussion for many recent pages. Regardless of the overall validity of the ark, you all being incapable of admitting these are possible portions of the narrative shows that you're as dogmatic as you think I am.

originally posted by: cooperton
The ark wouldn't have even been in the water. And they knew of pine resin back in ancient Sumer. No reason it wouldn't be able to last like wood does today.

It didn't have to be in the water. It was the ENVIRONMENT for a hundred years .. baking in the sun, rain, weather. It would have rotted.

You assuming that Noah doesn't know how to build boats and everyone in this timeframe was stupid is your own biased belief.

No. It's a FACT. No one in 2400BC knew how to build a boat like that. I posted a picture of a 'big' boat from 2400bc - from Egypt. THAT was what they made in that time frame. Not 2400bc.

There are no boats the size of Noahs Ark found anywhere. No historical references to boats that big. No pictures on walls of tombs. No documents. No sculptures. No burial mounds with anything about them or pieces of them or references to them. No knowledge passed down ... and it would have been if people had that knowledge.

Boat making of 2400bc was very small. I posted the picture. Obviously you aren't bothering to read the information and educate yourself.

Where's the koala that died from eating foods besides eucalyptus? That would be empirical.

Oh please. You do this all the time. I'm not going to go looking for those pictures. Get real. The science is there. It is proven. The experts .. which you are not .. have worked with the animals and come to these conclusions.

[quote[But in actuality empiricism shows that Koalas eat other foods besides eucalyptus

Eat it .. but not LIVE ON IT. Big difference. They have to have Eucalyptus.
The 'Empirical evidence' proves it. the information was posted.
You fail to acknowledge it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Thankfully there was no Noahs Ark and so the poor Koalas were not subjected to having to eat crap that was bad for their system that would have killed them. The Koalas couldn't get from Australia to the Middle East and Noah couldn't get them ... so no Noahs Ark.

a reply to: cooperton

No. I have repeatedly admitted that wood boats can "last" over 100 years. My point was that they wouldn't be seaworthy.

I thought Christians had a thing about not bearing false witness?

Yes, Koalas can eat other plants.

But without Eucalyptus, they will die.

Semantics and piffle.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
Right, so another unsubstantiated belief of yours?

The entire Noahs Ark story is unsubstantiated. The evidence clearly shows it is impossible to have happened, so not only is it unsubstantiated .. it is proven false.

And the 'add on's that cooperton are doing ... like a garden on the ark and the entire world being one super continent in 2400bc ... those are unsubstantiated and easily proven false as well.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
It didn't have to be in the water. It was the ENVIRONMENT for a hundred years .. baking in the sun, rain, weather. It would have rotted.

Not if it was covered in pitch, which was a known practice among ancient cultures.

There are no boats the size of Noahs Ark found anywhere. No historical references to boats that big.

Besides all the flood narratives that talk about boats that big.

No pictures on walls of tombs. No documents.

There's many documents

No sculptures. No burial mounds with anything about them or pieces of them or references to them. No knowledge passed down ... and it would have been if people had that knowledge.

Wood can last hundreds of years, but thousands of years of being unattended and it would be decayed by now

Thankfully there was no Noahs Ark and so the poor Koalas were not subjected to having to eat crap that was bad for their system that would have killed them. The Koalas couldn't get from Australia to the Middle East and Noah couldn't get them ... so no Noahs Ark.

Unfortunately though there are pet owners today who feed their pets dried homogenized meat goo thinking it is a good diet for them

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: cooperton

No. I have repeatedly admitted that wood boats can "last" over 100 years. My point was that they wouldn't be seaworthy.

Flyersfan called such a notion absurd a few pages ago, so I am just making sure the point gets settled in

Yes, Koalas can eat other plants.

Thank you, that's another point I am waiting for flyersfan to admit

But without Eucalyptus, they will die.

What is the empirical example for this? The research papers I've read shows that they do eat at least 30 other species of plants