Noahs Ark and the Biblical World Wide Flood Never Happened

originally posted by: FlyersFan
The actual topic and not off topic personal junk -


Someone explain why Egypt, India and China all had vibrant civilizations that grew and flourished before, during, and after the Noahs Ark Flood time period ... UNINTERRUPTED.

Oldest Civilizations in the World - Unbroken Civilization Through Noahs Ark Time Period - Not Wiped Out

Sometimes the scientific methods get it wrong. That is the only thing I can think of. I remember years ago the scientists said there was no water on the moon and now it seems they were wrong. Perhaps the dating methods are inacurate.

One of the most important dating tools used in archaeology may sometimes give misleading data, new study shows - and it could change whole historical timelines as a result.

The discrepancy is due to significant fluctuations in the amount of carbon-14 in the atmosphere, and it could force scientists to rethink how they use ancient organic remains to measure the passing of time.

from 2018

a reply to: fringeofthefringe

Thank you for staying on topic.

Yeah, but they didn't really use carbon dating for the civilizations. It was more archeology findings and historical recordings. Like in Egypt they had the history carved in stone. That kind of thing. The civilizations flourished with no interruption in history.

Christian site - Christogenea - Noahs Flood Was Not World Wide

If the whole earth was covered by six miles of water, then all nations must have been completely exterminated. However Babylonian, Egyptian and Chinese history runs right through this period without a break. The Bible gives the date of the flood as commencing in 2345 B.C. and ending in 2344 B.C.. In lower Sumer, later called Chaldea, which occupied the same Plains of Shinar to which Noah’s family journeyed after the flood, the city of Ur of the Chaldees was the leading city from about 2400 B.C. until about 2285 B.C.. Its history is not broken by any flood in this period.

Farther to the north, Babylon was rising to power from about 2400 B.C. on and reached a great height of civilization under the famous King Hammurabi, who lived at the same time as the Hebrew patriarch Abraham, about 2250 B.C.. There is no break in this history due to a flood. In Egypt, the eleventh dynasty began to reign about 2375 B.C. over a great and powerful nation. The eleventh dynasty ruled to about 2212 B.C., and was followed by the twelfth dynasty, which ruled to about 2000 B.C.. There was no break in the eleventh dynasty at the time of Noah’s flood, 2345 B.C.. The nation continued to be large and powerful throughout this period.

Accurate history of China begins nearly 3000 B.C. The Shu King historic record of China, shows that King Yao came to the throne in 2356 B.C., 11 years before the start of Noah’s flood, and ruled China for many years after the flood. During the reign of Yao, the Shu King reports that the Hwang Ho river, which drains the mountains and a great basin in Sinkiang province, had excessive floods for three generations. Here again, there was no break in history. The Chinese nation was not wiped out. Its own records show it continued in existence right through the period of Noah’s flood.

Makes a very good case for a REGIONAL flood being the source of the World Wide Flood myth -

Christian site - Christogenea - Noahs Flood Was Not World Wide

Among the many mistaken and unscriptural notions, commonly taught in nearly all churches, is the idea that the flood mentioned in the Bible, covered all the earth. It states everybody on earth was drowned excepting Noah and his family, who escaped death by being in the ark. Many churches have firmly insisted the Bible says this, when there is ample proof the flood was not world wide. With this teaching the churches have destroyed the faith of multitudes of people. They have made atheists or agnostics out of hundreds of thousands of people who might have become active Christians, had only been taught the truth about the Bible.

Part of this mistaken idea about the flood is due to the many mistranslations found in the commonly used King James Bible. Part of it appears plainly to be false, if you carefully read even the King James Bible. Let’s have a look at it.

Click the link to read their Biblical take on a REGIONAL flood.

a reply to: InachMarbank


Sorry. Not true and obvious you have no experience with it.
Like I said, "Science is your friend"

a reply to: FlyersFan

Yes it's off topic. People's beliefs in Jesus have NOTHING to do
with Noahs Ark and the world wide flood. Nothing.

Guess you better delete my posts then right?

For instance: If you ask me this without proper punctuation.

Address the topic - how did the Panda bears get from China to
the Middle East with having to swim across oceans and having
no bamboo to eat on the way or when they get there and no bamboo
on the boat or after the boat landed back on dry land and no bamboo
for the trip swimming back across the ocean ???

I'll assume you;re becoming angry for some reason. And answer:

Maybe the same way the Israelites survived to wonder the desert for
40 yrs. Opps off topic! Right? No wrong. But here's an example of
off topic. Why would an atheist even care to cast a thread like this?

originally posted by: Saloon
I'll assume you;re becoming angry for some reason.

Your error. I'm not angry.

Why would an atheist even care to cast a thread like this?

As I've said, I'm not an atheist and my beliefs are OFF TOPIC.

Maybe the same way the Israelites survived to wonder the desert for
40 yrs. Opps off topic! Right? No wrong. ?

Nope. That in no way explains how Pandas swam from China to the
middle east and in no way explains how they ate anything when their
diet consists of bamboo found in china. You fail.

Address the topic or get off the thread.

Egypt, India and China all had vibrant civilizations that grew and flourished before, during, and after the Noahs Ark Flood time period ... UNINTERRUPTED.

Oldest Civilizations in the World - Unbroken Civilization Through Noahs Ark Time Period - Not Wiped Out

a reply to: FlyersFan

I addressed your question if you weren't to angry to notice.

Or do you just have no retort because there was a flood sent by God.
But you chose to believe men who conspired against God by deceiving
you with an EDUCATION. People that were given the job of teaching
you the lies you came to cherish. Powerful people that made sure they
corrupted your common sense with lies that tickled your ears.

Ancient cultures around the world tell variations of the flood. And you
think that's evidence there wasn't one? Oh the Sumarians are telling
one that pre dates the Bible? OOOOh that's right! Hey! Oh and it's
different to ha!

But there was no flood because that's what someone told you?

Lordy that's funny pal.

originally posted by: Saloon
I addressed your question if you weren't to angry to notice.

You really should stop lying. I'm not angry. And I addressed your
supposed addressing of my question. You failed to answer it.
Citing Exodus don't explain how pandas supposedly swam all the way
from China to the Middle East, nor does it explain how they ate bamboo
all the way, and in the ark, when it grows in China and not the
Middle East.

Or do you ... blah blah blah

Being educated with actual facts and truth is not 'men conspiring against God'.
And again ... I'm not your 'pal'.

Egypt, India and China all had vibrant civilizations that grew and flourished before, during, and after the Noahs Ark Flood time period ... UNINTERRUPTED.

Oldest Civilizations in the World - Unbroken Civilization Through Noahs Ark Time Period - Not Wiped Out

a reply to: FlyersFan

You really should stop lying. I'm not angry. And I addressed your
supposed addressing of my question. You failed to answer it.
Citing Exodus don't explain how pandas supposedly swam all the way
from China to the Middle East, nor does it explain how they ate bamboo
all the way, and in the ark, when it grows in Japan and not the
Middle East.

Well look at the question yourself! Whatta contrived convolution of
designer assumptions you were able to conjure up? I know let's ask
the Pandas. I bet they even have a flood story.

How cool you even have a time period for what didn't happen.

originally posted by: Saloon
Whatta contrived convolution of designer assumptions you were able to conjure up?

Asking how pandas swam from China all the way to the Middle East, and how they ate when their diet consists of bamboo that grows In China and not the Middle East, is not 'contrived' nor is it 'convoluted'. It's a valid on-topic question. One the you fail to answer.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Bears hibernate SSHHHHH!

originally posted by: Saloon
Bears hibernate SSHHHHH!

Panda bears do not hibernate. Read Here and Educate Yourself
You still have not answered how they could possibly swim from China all the way to the Middle East, and back. And you still have not answered how they could eat on the way, nor in the ark for the year, when their diet consists of bamboo and it grows in China but not the Middle East.

a reply to: FlyersFan

I said bears hibernate learn to read!

You chose Pandas

originally posted by: Saloon
I said bears hibernate learn to read!
You chose Pandas

You are squirming. We have been discussing Pandas this whole time. My question was on Pandas and you claim to have addressed it. But you have not. How did the Pandas swim all the way from China to the Middle East and back? How did they eat when their food is bamboo and it grows in China but not in the Middle East ... nor in the middle of the ocean for that matter?

a reply to: FlyersFan


Squirmming don't embarrass yourself please?

No you chose Pandas to be on the ark not me not God
not atheists. You put your own little Pandas on an ark that God made up
in what ever time period it had to have happened in but didn't happen?
WTF? Are you trying to prove here it's becoming a little vague with you
constantly affirming it thru over two hundred different accounts from
as many civilizations from all over the world you see the confusion I'm
experiencing here maybe somehow no squirmming or punctuation. lol

Are we even on topic? lol


But hey I think I'll be unlike others who are asked to leave a thread.
And just oblige you happily. Kind of embarrassing to be here any way.

a reply to: Saloon
Are you drunk? that made no sense.

Again. Pandas on the ark 4,400 years ago by biblical account. Had to swim all the way from China to the Middle East, and back. How did they do that? And what did they eat along the way and in the Middle East when all they eat is bamboo that grows in China. You claim you answered the question. But you haven't.

a reply to: FlyersFan

You still avoided the theory Noah's Ark was really a extra terrestrial craft and every living thing on earth was taken aboard to avoid an extinction level event and then re-populated the earth. Or their DNA was taken aboard and cloned. Answers every single one of your questions you've been asking everyone to answer and it does not necessarily go against Biblical/Christian beliefs. Again Elijah ascended to heaven in a "fiery chariot and horses". A craft was Something simple men who didn't understand technology wouldn't know how to describe. Same can be said about the Ark. Even the Aztecs recorded their gods descending from the sky as fiery dragons or serpents etc. So how does your science disprove this Ark theory now

originally posted by: Jersey Devil
Again Elijah ascended to heaven in a "fiery chariot and horses". A craft was Something simple men who didn't understand technology wouldn't know how to describe. Same can be said about the Ark.

I don't really think they are the same. Elijah and Elisha were just walking and chatting when something came out of the sky, whatever it was.

In the story of Noah in the bible Noah built the ark and he didn't have the tech to build a spaceship. The story then goes on to say: Genesis 7:18

The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water.

The bible isn't talking about a spaceship if it is floating on the flood waters.

So, while it might satisfy this need to apply current tech to that ancient story, it just doesn't fit.

originally posted by: Jersey Devil
You still avoided the theory Noah's Ark was really a extra terrestrial craft and every living thing on earth was taken aboard to avoid an extinction level event and then re-populated the earth.

That is a different kind of ark from the Noahs Ark myth. If an alien space ship was taking samples then that's a whole other discussion. It doesn't match the biblical story so it doesn't prove the story is true.

Egypt, India and China all had vibrant civilizations that grew and flourished before, during, and after the Noahs Ark Flood time period ... UNINTERRUPTED. Someone explain how all these people survived and thrived if Noahs Flood really happened. Oh .. and they all spoke and wrote different languages so there goes the 'everyone spoke the same language before the Tower of Babel' nonsense. But that's a discussion for another thread.


Oldest Civilizations in the World - Unbroken Civilization Through Noahs Ark Time Period - Not Wiped Out

Christian site - Christogenea - Noahs Flood Was Not World Wide

If the whole earth was covered by six miles of water, then all nations must have been completely exterminated. However Babylonian, Egyptian and Chinese history runs right through this period without a break. The Bible gives the date of the flood as commencing in 2345 B.C. and ending in 2344 B.C.. In lower Sumer, later called Chaldea, which occupied the same Plains of Shinar to which Noah’s family journeyed after the flood, the city of Ur of the Chaldees was the leading city from about 2400 B.C. until about 2285 B.C.. Its history is not broken by any flood in this period.

Farther to the north, Babylon was rising to power from about 2400 B.C. on and reached a great height of civilization under the famous King Hammurabi, who lived at the same time as the Hebrew patriarch Abraham, about 2250 B.C.. There is no break in this history due to a flood. In Egypt, the eleventh dynasty began to reign about 2375 B.C. over a great and powerful nation. The eleventh dynasty ruled to about 2212 B.C., and was followed by the twelfth dynasty, which ruled to about 2000 B.C.. There was no break in the eleventh dynasty at the time of Noah’s flood, 2345 B.C.. The nation continued to be large and powerful throughout this period.

Accurate history of China begins nearly 3000 B.C. The Shu King historic record of China, shows that King Yao came to the throne in 2356 B.C., 11 years before the start of Noah’s flood, and ruled China for many years after the flood. During the reign of Yao, the Shu King reports that the Hwang Ho river, which drains the mountains and a great basin in Sinkiang province, had excessive floods for three generations. Here again, there was no break in history. The Chinese nation was not wiped out. Its own records show it continued in existence right through the period of Noah’s flood.