Noahs Ark and the Biblical World Wide Flood Never Happened

originally posted by: TTU77
If you are a Christian, what is the gospel in your own words. What is salvation to you?

Off topic.

We all will respond to you based on whether you are a Christian or we need to convert you (ie give you the basics so to speak).,

Off topic. Your answers should be ON TOPIC and dealing with Noahs Ark and the Flood.
Not what status my soul is ... and it's fine.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: TTU77
One kind of dog is all that is needed to branch into the hundreds of dog species, same as cat, etc.

You are confusing 'breed' with 'species'. 8 million SPECIES were needed to be on the ark in order to get the diversity of animal species on this planet now. Take penguins for example. There are 18 species of penguins on the planet. There would have had to have been all 18 species of penguins on the ark ... not just two penguins but 36 penguins ... because the species don't inter-mate with each other. Each is a separate species unto itself. That's just penguins.

Please, do more research. Look up "kind" vs species. Why must we spell every little bit out?

One kind of animal can branch off into many species. You don't need each species, that's nonsense. How about looking at the video's people are posting to you.

There are wonderful documentaries. As a Christian watch them, so you can stop making this threads questioning the bible. What's the matter with you? Watch those videos and see for yourself please. What you seek are in there.

We should have a more humble attitude. You are lashing out. I apologize if I'm harsh. Let's show some love to each other, as commanded by our Lord.

Have faith, be encouraged. Be a moron. So what. Have faith. You don't need to understand everything. Have faith in God. If we don't understand, do research. If you ask a question, please take a moment to listen to the answers you receive. Watch the content. Learn grow.

What are you doing here? What is the point of this thread?

a reply to: TTU77
I think as a Christian, FlyersFan is perfectly able to make the case against Noah's Ark or the Great Flood. To me that in no way shape or form diminishes her Christian beliefs. After all the bible was put together from many sources and many other sources were left out. I feel that we all question our own faith and beliefs through out our lives at some point or another. Faith is not the equivalent to blind devotion.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: TTU77
If you are a Christian, what is the gospel in your own words. What is salvation to you?

Off topic.

We all will respond to you based on whether you are a Christian or we need to convert you (ie give you the basics so to speak).,

Off topic. Your answers should be ON TOPIC and dealing with Noahs Ark and the Flood.
Not what status my soul is ... and it's fine.

No, on topic. With respect, please answer the question and demonstrate some kindness and patience.

We are here with you, trying to understand you and your concern.

If you don't have a solid gospel, in your own words, are you a Christian?

Do most Christians question the bible so fanatically like you do?

100% on topic is whether are not the author of this thread is a Christian.

It's odd for you to be so stand off ish.

Love.

Where is the love.

May the Word richly dwell inside you.

originally posted by: TTU77
One kind of animal can branch off into many species. You don't need each species, that's nonsense.

Yes you do. Its not nonsense. Example - Two mating penguins 4400 years ago couldn't give us the 18 penguin species that we have today. They simply couldn't. Just one example of many.

You are lashing out.

Nope. I'm posting science and math. It's just that simple.

What are you doing here? What is the point of this thread?

Didn't you read the opening post?

From the opening post - "The conspiracy - the Biblical Noahs Ark and world wide flood story is still believed and taught by some people even today even though it has been disproven scientifically, historically, and through archeology."

I posted the information showing the Noahs Ark story is myth. I posted the science. I posted the math. I posted the history of the story and how it started with the pagan Sumerian Giglimesh story.

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
a reply to: TTU77
I think as a Christian, FlyersFan is perfectly able to make the case against Noah's Ark or the Great Flood. To me that in no way shape or form diminishes her Christian beliefs. After all the bible was put together from many sources and many other sources were left out. I feel that we all question our own faith and beliefs through out our lives at some point or another. Faith is not the equivalent to blind devotion.

There ya' go.

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
a reply to: TTU77
I think as a Christian, FlyersFan is perfectly able to make the case against Noah's Ark or the Great Flood. To me that in no way shape or form diminishes her Christian beliefs. After all the bible was put together from many sources and many other sources were left out. I feel that we all question our own faith and beliefs through out our lives at some point or another. Faith is not the equivalent to blind devotion.

I agree, as I said, I don't think it's a salvific issue, but the case I made, it's in the bible, so have faith in that, is valid as well, and the more valid argument. It's healthy to assume the bible is right, and atleast look for the science to support it.

I agree faith is not blind. There is plenty of evidence. Blind devotion, out of pure faith, I believe gives glory to God, atleast in my perspective.

I've down the research. Each time I questioned something, noah's ark, evolution, big bang, even global warming, lol, I've always found 100% evidence to support the bible. Often it comes down to faith. One has to make a choice, between science or faith, because both have evidence, can go either way.

In these situations, if I have to choose between faiths, then yes, I'll say have faith in the bible.

I believe Christians should honor and value the Word of God, above the wisdom of the World.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: TTU77
One kind of animal can branch off into many species. You don't need each species, that's nonsense.

Yes you do. Its not nonsense. Example - Two mating penguins 4400 years ago couldn't give us the 18 penguin species that we have today. They simply couldn't. Just one example of many.

You are lashing out.

Nope. I'm posting science and math. It's just that simple.

What are you doing here? What is the point of this thread?

Didn't you read the opening post?

From the opening post - "The conspiracy - the Biblical Noahs Ark and world wide flood story is still believed and taught by some people even today even though it has been disproven scientifically, historically, and through archeology."

I posted the information showing the Noahs Ark story is myth. I posted the science. I posted the math. I posted the history of the story and how it started with the pagan Sumerian Giglimesh story.

Your attitude is lashing out. There is no gentlessness or kindness it seems, imo.

You still aren't listening. Those videos will explain it in more detail. In short, you simply don't understand the difference between kinds and species. One kind of a cat, can turn into a species of lion, tiger, house cat through adaptation. KINDS. A kind is capable of speciation. Is this clear to you? It is the theory based on the bible. The bible says two of every KIND. Not two of every SPECIES.

Do you understand this? Is it still not clear?

You simply have to watch the videos, they explain it better.

Or, shock, do a google search.

Good luck with things, God bless you. I forgive you.

Are you capable of saying a kind word to anyone?

In these situations, if I have to choose between faiths, then yes, I'll say have faith in the bible.

a reply to: TTU77
I feel the same way.
The church, here on earth, has been corrupted in so many ways I make sure to seperate my heavenly faith from it. Of course there are great men and women spreading the love and teachings of Jesus and the stories of the bible but we all know that corruption/evil has no bounds.

originally posted by: TTU77
100% on topic is whether are not the author of this thread is a Christian.

I already said I am and it IS OFF TOPIC to ask.
Address the topic or get off the thread.

Explain why Egypt, India and China all had vibrant civilizations that grew and flourished before, during, and after the Noahs Ark Flood time period ... UNINTERRUPTED.

Oldest Civilizations in the World - Unbroken Civilization Through Noahs Ark Time Period - Not Wiped Out

originally posted by: TTU77
. One kind of a cat, can turn into a species of lion, tiger, house cat through adaptation.

Absolutely not. Not possible let alone in just 4,000 years.

It was 8 million animals that would have had to fit on that ark.
Let alone a year supply of food and a year supply of fresh water.
IMPOSSIBLE.

How'd the panda get from China to the Middle East?
How'd it not starve since it only survives on bamboo?

On another note, I have so much faith in the prophecy of the bible at this point, seen so many connections and interconnections between it and the world, and even other faiths, it all adds up to an astronomically huge validation of the Word of God. God of the bible is 100% real. What He says happens and will happen, 100% and is happening as we speak in Israel. All the chess board is lined up. Mans relation to man, to God, fallen in darkness and the saved regeneration. Against all odds, even if the bible said the world is made of cheese, I think I'd have plenty of so much secondary and tertiary evidence to give that idea a solid basis. If everything else is so true, why wouldn't anything and everything else be.

But, there is no such ridiculous claims of the bible, but quite the contrary.

The universe is vibration, the world spins on its axis, God screeches out the Universe (dark energy). These are in line with science and observation.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: TTU77
. One kind of a cat, can turn into a species of lion, tiger, house cat through adaptation.

Absolutely not. Not possible let alone in just 4,000 years.

It was 8 million animals that would have had to fit on that ark.
Let alone a year supply of food and a year supply of fresh water.
IMPOSSIBLE.

How'd it not starve since it only survives on bamboo?

Oh ye of little faith.

People already answered your questioned and left you videos.

I would enjoy and like talking to you further, but since you still refuse to show common courtesy and deceny to have a respectful conversation, you have to give it first, respect is earned, even though love is granted freely always. Also, you don't even answer other peoples questions.

Good day, and try to lighten up and love people.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: TTU77
100% on topic is whether are not the author of this thread is a Christian.

I already said I am and it IS OFF TOPIC to ask.
Address the topic or get off the thread.

Explain why Egypt, India and China all had vibrant civilizations that grew and flourished before, during, and after the Noahs Ark Flood time period ... UNINTERRUPTED.

Oldest Civilizations in the World - Unbroken Civilization Through Noahs Ark Time Period - Not Wiped Out

Forgive me, you don't seem to have the attitude of a Christian, of love, meekness, and gentless or love, or other fruits of the Spirit, nor seem to display an inherent appreciation of the bible, the Word, or of faith in general. I might be 100% wrong, but just from what I read, it appears this way,

Out of love, I ask if you are a Christian and if you have a solid understanding of the Gospel, truly. I think for all the reasons above, I have a good reason to ask, regardless whether it's on or off topic.

Also, again, so rude.

Why would I explain these things when you demand it so. You appear entitled and fixed in a bubble of sorts, even after people give you the answer, you don't hear, or watch the videos.

Sigh, why or why do I get sucked into these arguments. ATS is not a place to talk Christianity, I've learned, time and time again. Thanks for making things enjoyable.

Cheers

originally posted by: TTU77
Oh ye of little faith.

It's not a matter of faith. It's a matter of truth. The TRUTH is that a house cat can not turn into a lion or a tiger after just 4,000 years. It doesn't happen that way. It simply does not.

Also, you don't even answer other peoples questions.

Your questions about my faith are off topic. I'm not going to derail a thread discussing people's faith when the topic is Noahs Ark. I was a moderator here and know what is on topic and what is not. Your questions are off topic.

originally posted by: TTU77
Why would I explain these things when you demand it so.

My question is on topic. THAT is why you should answer them. I'm staying on topic.

Explain why Egypt, India and China all had vibrant civilizations that grew and flourished before, during, and after the Noahs Ark Flood time period ... UNINTERRUPTED.

Oldest Civilizations in the World - Unbroken Civilization Through Noahs Ark Time Period - Not Wiped Out

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: TTU77
Oh ye of little faith.

It's not a matter of faith. It's a matter of truth. The TRUTH is that a house cat can not turn into a lion or a tiger after just 4,000 years. It doesn't happen that way. It simply does not.

Also, you don't even answer other peoples questions.

Your questions about my faith are off topic. I'm not going to derail a thread discussing people's faith when the topic is Noahs Ark. I was a moderator here and know what is on topic and what is not. Your questions are off topic.

First of all, its atleast 6000 years, and why not? Why doesn't it happen? In just a few hundreds of years, how many dog breeds are there, hundreds? Look how vastly they changed. Seems something could get started, but in my mind, not an issue, The video I left I know explains it, so well, I didn't bother to remember I'm sure is a very good explanation.

Also, there could have been up to 15K or something years, NOT millions to any degree, with the theory that there was time on Earth before Adam, or something.

In any case. It IS a matter of faith. The bible has evidence of prophecy and testimony - so believe it. Science has so called evidence based on theory which MUST be taken on FAITH, period! Things are rarely proven and 100 percent known.

How loving, kind, patient is it not to answer a simple question? Your refusal to answer is more off topic than the inital question, it produces more off topic chatter. It should already be done with. In short, possible pedantic, or even legalistic.

If you say one kind word to any single person who posted in this thread, I'll leave this thread. I would like for things to make sense. A Christian in my mind should be nice, lol. In fact, isn't that a MUST? Anyone care to chime in here? We should be kind right?

originally posted by: TTU77
First of all, its atleast 6000 years, and why not?

Noahs Ark would have happened 4,400 years ago if you go by what the Bible says.
And no, a house cat can't turn into a lion or a tiger.
Certainly not in 4,400 years. That's absurd.

There are 37 cat species. EACH SPECIES would have to have been represented
on Noahs Ark. You have to go back 11 million years to find a common ancestor
between house cats and lions. 11 MILLION YEARS ... not 4,400 years.

Are Lions Cats?

There are a total of 37 cat species that include cheetahs, jaguars, leopards, lions, lynxes, pumas, tigers, and many more. Among these 37 cat species is also domestic house cats.

It is believed that bigger cats like lions and tigers shared a common ancestor with smaller cats like cougars, cheetahs, and the ancestors of domestic house cats before the two lineages split around 11 million years ago.

This evidence suggests that while lions and house cats are related, one has to go back almost 11 million years to find a common ancestor between the two.

a reply to: FlyersFan

In just a few hundreds of years, how many dog breeds are there, hundreds? Look how vastly they changed. Seems something could get started, but in my mind, not an issue, The video I left I know explains it, so well, I didn't bother to remember I'm sure is a very good explanation.

Also, back on topic, there is the theory that after the water was all over the earth in the flood, that the mountains rose afterwards, which explains why you get crazy fish fossils in the middle of nowhere etc.

Truly, is Genesis History is what you NEED to watch if you are remotely interested in actually learning about the topic from the side of true science. That video proves these things scientifically, with bona fide career scientist. Turns out there are vast swarms of Christians scientists, atleast, more than one might expect, thanks be to God.

originally posted by: TTU77
In just a few hundreds of years, how many dog breeds are there, hundreds?

Breeds and species are two different things. I gave the information on the cats and lions because that's what you brought up. You have to go back TEN MILLION years to find a common ancestor. That's the difference between species and breeds. All 37 species of feline would have to have been on the ark in order for there to be the animal diversity in felines that we have today.

Not two house cats. ALL 37 SPECIES - 74 FELINES.