New Florida law allows the death penalty for child rapists

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: marg6043

Harsh, but fair?

Anybody that harms a child sexually have not sympathy in my books, hang them all, after castration.

Plain and simple.

But if the mistake has been made once the sentence has been carried out how do you correct the error. Two wrong don't make a right

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: grayOne

Yes, it has happened. And it has happened that people serving life are later found innocent, sometimes many many years later. So should we not have long sentences either? I'd say that happens more frequently than DP mistakes because of the automatic appeals for DP sentences.

Nothing is perfect. Life is unjust. We can only try to make things fair.

a reply to: grayOne

Correct.

The state winds up compensating the family.

Should we not have a justice system because mistakes might be made?

a reply to: ArMaP

www.fox13seattle.com...

Almost 1/3 of inmates killed in this prison were male sex offenders.

That is just in that prison in California

a reply to: Muldar

No. Just no. I'm totally against the death penalty. Bring back the doctrine of outlawry.

No, the law should be rewritten.

First, it applies to all children who are not of the age of majority.

Second, they are to be castrated immediately upon conviction if the evidence is incontrovertible (video, confession, etc), or immediately upon losing their final appeal.

Third, first the parents and/or legal guardians, then older siblings, then close relatives are each allowed up to 10 minutes alone with them, in a closed, sealed, sound proof room, and are allowed to bring anything into the room with them that they like.

Fourth, they are declared outlaws.

Once declared an outlaw, they can be killed by anyone, at anytime, for any reason or no reason atall, without repercussion - no moreso than one would suffer after stepping on a cockroach.

a reply to: Muldar

Good!!! You cant cure it, you cant fix it, and you cant live with it. So, get rid of it.

Great!
Good news
Good riddance

a reply to: Muldar

a reply to: PorkChop96

In 2015.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: CoyoteAngels

On it's face, it's controversial because the Florida law defies a recent SCOTUS ruling.

Kennedy v. Louisiana, 554 U.S. 407 (2008), is a landmark decision by the Supreme Court of the United States which held that the Eighth Amendment's Cruel and Unusual Punishments Clause prohibits the imposition of the death penalty for a crime in which the victim did not die and the victim's death was not intended.

en.wikipedia.org...

It's also controversial, because rape is a controversial subject.

Rape of a minor and especially a child who is 12 or under and unable to resist or defend themselves, is not a controversial issue.

What seems to be controversial is whether the state could impose the death penalty.

You forgot the fact that the vast majority of senators and house representatives voted in favour of the bill. Both republicans and democrats. Which makes the issue much less 'controversial'.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Muldar

I don't know what this has to do with the law.

The law has a chilling effect, making it more unsafe for rape victims, and their families report underage rapes.

I don't think genuine victims are more unsafe if they come forward. The opposite could be true. If you let this anomalous situation go on then you risk getting raped multiple times throughout your childhood and God knows what else.

a reply to: Muldar

You think only the only people that might be in danger for reporting a rape, that would result in the death penalty of the accused, would be liars?

If only the world really worked that way.

a reply to: Muldar

You forgot the fact that the vast majority of senators and house representatives voted in favour of the bill. Both republicans and democrats. Which makes the issue much less 'controversial'.

What bill is that?

ETA: In Virginia, lawmakers recently voted to keep it legal for parents to be able to make their pregnant 12 year old daughter marry her rapist.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Rape is a controversial subject?

I guess. I pretty much thought everyone agreed that rape, particularly child rape, is a heinous, violent crime.

Just as everyone would say.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Muldar

You forgot the fact that the vast majority of senators and house representatives voted in favour of the bill. Both republicans and democrats. Which makes the issue much less 'controversial'.

What bill is that?

ETA: In Virginia, lawmakers recently voted to keep it legal for parents to be able to make their pregnant 12 year old daughter marry her rapist.

Read the OP first
We're talking about Florida.

HB 1297 allows a jury by a vote of at least 8-4 to recommend a death sentence for sexual battery on a child under the age of 12. It passed out of the Legislature with support from both parties in both chambers. Only three Democrats and two Republicans voted against the legislation in the Senate

The vast majority of republicans and democrats did approve the bill both in the Senate and House which shows clearly what politicians and much of our society thinks of child rape and child rapists. The measure was approved by 34-5 in the Senate and by 95-14 in the House.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Muldar

You think only the only people that might be in danger for reporting a rape, that would result in the death penalty of the accused, would be liars?

If only the world really worked that way.

I don't speculate on these matters. But reporting a crime such as child rape is a must. Covering it up it's another crime.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: CoyoteAngels

It can be.

Look at all the Russell Brand threads on here!

No you're mistaken. This is alleged rape and alleged crimes committed over a very long period. There is nothing controversial about rape or child rape.
The only thing that could be controversial are the allegations themselves.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Muldar

How about the successful prosecution of former Nazi camp guards, decades later?

How you try to make links between Brand's cases and Nazi camp guards is something only a successful lawyer like you can make.

a reply to: Muldar

Nope. The Florida Bill does not make rape a less controversial subject. It traps rape victims.

In Florida right now, a pregnant 11 year old can't get an abortion without filing a police report, and reporting her rapist. Add the death penalty to that, and you're putting rape victims and their families at risk.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Muldar

Nope. The Florida Bill does not make rape a less controversial subject. It traps rape victims.

In Florida right now, a pregnant 11 year old can't get an abortion without filing a police report, and reporting her rapist. Add the death penalty to that, and you're putting rape victims and their families at risk.

perhaps if they let them have one more go at them, they could throw them off the trail so to speak, and then prosecute them for the crime they committed.

Your mental contortions on this one are sad.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Muldar

Nope. The Florida Bill does not make rape a less controversial subject. It traps rape victims.

In Florida right now, a pregnant 11 year old can't get an abortion without filing a police report, and reporting her rapist. Add the death penalty to that, and you're putting rape victims and their families at risk.

First of all is not a bill anymore, is s law of this state.

Then, there is nothing controversial about child rape. It's crystal clear to anyone who has read the developments in Florida that once a child of 12 years or under, is raped the death penalty could be applied.

I don't see any issue with an 11 year old who has been raped to report it to the police so they can start a criminal investigation. If she is also pregnant then DNA evidence will be used to determine who the father is.

There must be reporting of the rape.