Plus-size lady who petitioned for free-extra plane seats now calls on hotels to enlarge hallways

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: matafuchs
Again, let's change everything for .0004% of the population that is obese not because of eating too much.

The overall overweight, obese and extremely obese numbers for all the American population is two thirds of overall population, by all means don't accommodate the majority.

So what, you think you can just widen all hotel corridors, doorway..etc, etc??..the list will grow. You have any idea at all what that entails? No, sometimes it's just not feasible to entertain some things.

Hotels/motels can make accommodations on ground level floors. Replace ground floor windows with outside accessible sliding doors, replace toilets add handheld shower sprayer...boom done! Buy bigger resin furniture for size and strength...boom, poolside comfort for all! Maybe honeymooners would want a larger lounge chair to share, hmm?

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Things are seldom that simple, and they wouldn't be. You really have no idea the planning, what has to be done/engineered to make that happen. It extends far beyond the simplicity you describe..and who pays for it?

Anyway, hotels generally already have a number of handicapped accessible suites.

Hotels are always doing renos it's part of doing business and getting good reviews, which drives customers. Nobody wants to stay in an old dirty room where the toilet is too low and small...nobody.

And just like that, we know you don't know much about running a business.

Hotels will wait as long as possible to renovate, after all, they can't rent those rooms while they do, and it's incredibly expensive, especially now.



a reply to: quintessentone

originally posted by: KMeRMoRe
And just like that, we know you don't know much about running a business.

Hotels will wait as long as possible to renovate, after all, they can't rent those rooms while they do, and it's incredibly expensive, especially now.



a reply to: quintessentone

Even still, it becomes a necessity for them all at some point in time and they can easily incorporate those changes/accommodations.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: matafuchs
Again, let's change everything for .0004% of the population that is obese not because of eating too much.

The overall overweight, obese and extremely obese numbers for all the American population is two thirds of overall population, by all means don't accommodate the majority.

So what, you think you can just widen all hotel corridors, doorway..etc, etc??..the list will grow. You have any idea at all what that entails? No, sometimes it's just not feasible to entertain some things.

Hotels/motels can make accommodations on ground level floors. Replace ground floor windows with outside accessible sliding doors, replace toilets add handheld shower sprayer...boom done! Buy bigger resin furniture for size and strength...boom, poolside comfort for all! Maybe honeymooners would want a larger lounge chair to share, hmm?

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Things are seldom that simple, and they wouldn't be. You really have no idea the planning, what has to be done/engineered to make that happen. It extends far beyond the simplicity you describe..and who pays for it?

Anyway, hotels generally already have a number of handicapped accessible suites.

Hotels are always doing renos it's part of doing business and getting good reviews, which drives customers. Nobody wants to stay in an old dirty room where the toilet is too low and small...nobody.

It's not painting and changing furniture, it engineering changing load bearing walls, engineering pathways to your new sliding glass doors..ts, etc. It's a huge expenditure, anyway..most hotels have a number of handicapped suites, if you want to argue to get a few more handicapped suites, maybe that could be entertained, but the whole place..nope, thats beyond reasonable accommodation.

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: matafuchs
Again, let's change everything for .0004% of the population that is obese not because of eating too much.

The overall overweight, obese and extremely obese numbers for all the American population is two thirds of overall population, by all means don't accommodate the majority.

So what, you think you can just widen all hotel corridors, doorway..etc, etc??..the list will grow. You have any idea at all what that entails? No, sometimes it's just not feasible to entertain some things.

Hotels/motels can make accommodations on ground level floors. Replace ground floor windows with outside accessible sliding doors, replace toilets add handheld shower sprayer...boom done! Buy bigger resin furniture for size and strength...boom, poolside comfort for all! Maybe honeymooners would want a larger lounge chair to share, hmm?

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Things are seldom that simple, and they wouldn't be. You really have no idea the planning, what has to be done/engineered to make that happen. It extends far beyond the simplicity you describe..and who pays for it?

Anyway, hotels generally already have a number of handicapped accessible suites.

Hotels are always doing renos it's part of doing business and getting good reviews, which drives customers. Nobody wants to stay in an old dirty room where the toilet is too low and small...nobody.

It's not painting and changing furniture, it engineering changing load bearing walls, engineering pathways to your new sliding glass doors..ts, etc. It's a huge expenditure, anyway..most hotels have a number of handicapped suites, if you want to argue to get a few more handicapped suites, maybe that could be entertained, but the whole place..nope, thats beyond reasonable accommodation.

Reno'ing ground floor suites is the answer for the accessibility issue instead of widening hallways, ground floor access outside does not require hallways. Toilets and shower hand sprayers are nothingburgers.

NO.

It still costs more to make those changes. More material, more labor, and specialty products that aren't freely available in the market such as reinforced bed frames.

Now, if they want to renovate a few rooms in this way and charge more for them, go for it. Just don't make me pay more because this person has no self-control when it comes to eating.

a reply to: quintessentone

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: matafuchs
Again, let's change everything for .0004% of the population that is obese not because of eating too much.

The overall overweight, obese and extremely obese numbers for all the American population is two thirds of overall population, by all means don't accommodate the majority.

So what, you think you can just widen all hotel corridors, doorway..etc, etc??..the list will grow. You have any idea at all what that entails? No, sometimes it's just not feasible to entertain some things.

Hotels/motels can make accommodations on ground level floors. Replace ground floor windows with outside accessible sliding doors, replace toilets add handheld shower sprayer...boom done! Buy bigger resin furniture for size and strength...boom, poolside comfort for all! Maybe honeymooners would want a larger lounge chair to share, hmm?

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Things are seldom that simple, and they wouldn't be. You really have no idea the planning, what has to be done/engineered to make that happen. It extends far beyond the simplicity you describe..and who pays for it?

Anyway, hotels generally already have a number of handicapped accessible suites.

Hotels are always doing renos it's part of doing business and getting good reviews, which drives customers. Nobody wants to stay in an old dirty room where the toilet is too low and small...nobody.

It's not painting and changing furniture, it engineering changing load bearing walls, engineering pathways to your new sliding glass doors..ts, etc. It's a huge expenditure, anyway..most hotels have a number of handicapped suites, if you want to argue to get a few more handicapped suites, maybe that could be entertained, but the whole place..nope, thats beyond reasonable accommodation.

Reno'ing ground floor suites is the answer for the accessibility issue instead of widening hallways, ground floor access outside does not require hallways. Toilets and shower hand sprayers are nothingburgers.

Again, not that simple to mess with potentially load bearing walls. So we are making accommodations for this woman, shower stall is probably too small, toilet, probably too close to something..better open the floor and relocate, none of what you describe will be that simple.

originally posted by: KMeRMoRe
NO.

It still costs more to make those changes. More material, more labor, and specialty products that aren't freely available in the market such as reinforced bed frames.

Now, if they want to renovate a few rooms in this way and charge more for them, go for it. Just don't make me pay more because this person has no self-control when it comes to eating.

a reply to: quintessentone

If a person is considered disabled or having mobility issues, no matter the reason, then the accessible room should be accommodating for all people in any situation ... period

There are design strategies for hotel rooms where everyone could be accommodated and most of these require less furniture to free up more space, so, bonus, saving money right there.

a reply to: quintessentone

After being asked by several users, you still have failed to name the "disabilities" that this lady has.

We are still waiting.

Obesity is not a disability

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

After being asked by several users, you still have failed to name the "disabilities" that this lady has.

We are still waiting.

Obesity is not a disability

Nobody is asking but you and one disability has been mentioned, while a mystery illness is another...don't know her other disabilities but if those disabilities caused her obesity then that should still fall under the term 'disabled' and she should be accommodated.

a reply to: quintessentone

Yes. Let's restructure a 12 story building in case an obese person happens to stay at your hotel.

a reply to: quintessentone

There has been at least 2 others ask besides me, but I don't expect you to remember that. I know reading can be challenging.

There has been no actual disability named besides the illness that she has.

The only thing people are claiming is her "disability" is that she is obese which isn't a disability.

No accommodations should be made.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: quintessentone

Yes. Let's restructure a 12 story building in case an obese person happens to stay at your hotel.

Is that your solution? It's lame of course. I'd go with my design strategies as posted previously.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

There has been at least 2 others ask besides me, but I don't expect you to remember that. I know reading can be challenging.

There has been no actual disability named besides the illness that she has.

The only thing people are claiming is her "disability" is that she is obese which isn't a disability.

No accommodations should be made.

Go back to page 1 and reread all the posts and get up to speed.

originally posted by: quintessentone
and one disability has been mentioned,

Hypertension is not a disability.
Millions of people have it.
You take a pill for it.
And if overweight ... you lose weight to bring it down.
That's it. No disability there.

a reply to: quintessentone

Pulmonary hypertension is not a disability

And as for her other "illnesses" they are not listed, probably because she doesn't have any, and can not be qualified as a "disability"

Are you done trying to make excuses for little miss victim mentality?

And as far as your "design strategies" you must know less about architecture than you do about obesity. And that's really saying something here

a reply to: quintessentone

You cannot simply move walls for one. Second, if you make one from larger where is that space taken from. Do I create 2 smaller rooms or leave one ok and make another smaller. Either way I will get complaints and/or as a business I lose money.

Nothing lame here except having to change the world because some people are obese.....

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
and one disability has been mentioned,

Hypertension is not a disability.
Millions of people have it.
You take a pill for it.
And if overweight ... you lose weight to bring it down.
That's it. No disability there.

Also a mystery illness and other disabilities not mentioned by the OP nor the woman. Could be genetic, could be auto-immune ?

Anyway, disability or not this is a travel niche that needs to be filled.

Check out this travel agency...

www.plussizetraveltoo.com...

I think obesity is the way of the global future unless they can find a safer drug than Ozempic which works on your hormones/blood sugar levels with only 15% of weight loss and with serious side effects. So I'm not holding my breath that a miracle drug will be the answer.