Yevgeny Prigozhin killed in plane crash near Moscow

originally posted by: charlyv
What about the others on the flight?

Would Russia kill them as well as accepted collateral damage to get Prigozhin?

Why would they not freak out if they saw him boarding with them and see if they could find another way back to Moscow?

Russia would have fired an extra missile at it if they knew that there was a school class of blind and disabled children on the plane, just to be sure it's destroyed.

Another interesting coincidence is that the so called Wagner mutiny started June 23rd , Prigozhin and Utkin died August 23rd.

Other than the unfortunate flight crew the passengers on the flight manifest were all involved with Wagner.

Yevgeny Prigozhin.
Dmitry Utkin.
Sergei Propustin , Wagner fighter possibly a Commander.
Yevgeny Makaryan , Prigozhin's bodyguard
Valery Chekalov , Prigozhin's deputy.

Putin says he has sent his condolences to the family of Yevgeny Prigozhin who he called a talented businessman.

Vladimir Putin says he has sent his condolences to the family of Yevgeny Prigozhin after the Wagner Group leader was presumed killed in a plane crash.

The Russian president said Prigozhin was a talented businessman who he had known since the 1990s.
news.sky.com...

Vladimir Putin says Yevgeny Prigozhin was "a man of difficult fate".

What does that mean?

a reply to: carewemust

Pretty much "Ha'Ha" i can do what i want.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: carewemust

Pretty much "Ha'Ha" i can do what i want.

I guess Putin is right, so long as the rest of the world allows him to, which seems to be where we are.

a reply to: carewemust

Im sure that's pretty much how Putin sees things.

But the thing is tyrants and dictators.

Tend to be surrounded by sycophants and yes men.

Unwilling to tell them when the sky has fallen, when they have went to far, or the true colour of the day.

Prigozhin was a shrewd operator I'm sure he would have taken into account that Putin would likely take his revenge , I wonder what contingency plans he put in place for this becoming reality.

With Wagner troops still in Belarus if I were Putin I think another layer of armour on his already armoured train may be a prudent move.

If Putin ever goes after John Madden, he will not have this option. Madden doesn't fly

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: carewemust

Im sure that's pretty much how Putin sees things.

But the thing is tyrants and dictators.

Tend to be surrounded by sycophants and yes men.

Unwilling to tell them when the sky has fallen, when they have went to far, or the true colour of the day.

If I was the President of the United States, I would meet with Intel (CIA, NSA, DNI) and tell them to find a way to make Vladimir Putin die, without making look like a "hit". We shovel them billions of dollars a year to do what? Just to spy for spying sake?

Come on... little children are being needlessly killed in Ukraine every single day.

It's worth violating whatever written or unwritten rule there is against assassinations, to save innocent lives.

I bet LEADERS and their minions are the ones who made these rules.

Our U.S. war logic needs to be rethought.

a reply to: carewemust

Military Intelligence is a bit of an oxymoron.

a reply to: carewemust

If it was as simple as that, i imagine the man would have been dead long ago.

The logic being if Putin is assassinated, from within or without, then whoever replaces him may well turn out to be even worse.

Then there is the fact that the idea of killing leaders of other nations is not a responsible or ethical approach to resolving conflicts or differences, and can be somewhat problematic a plan apt to backfire rather than succeed, especially so if found out.

originally posted by: gortex
Prigozhin was a shrewd operator I'm sure he would have taken into account that Putin would likely take his revenge , I wonder what contingency plans he put in place for this becoming reality.

With Wagner troops still in Belarus if I were Putin I think another layer of armour on his already armoured train may be a prudent move.

Belarus cut off internet for the wagner troops so they cant co ordinate a response fast to the assasination. If I would had been in charge,we would dress up as russian soldiers,and go into poland do a attack,then run back to balarus,swap into their clothes and blend in. getting russia in trouble with NATO article 5.

I Imagine he had a insurance policy to drop if Putin offed him.

a reply to: Threadbare

So was it possibly a "Wine crate bomb" that took down Prigozhin's plane as opposed to a Russian defense surface-to-air missile?

Mysterious last-minute repairs were made to the plane Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin is believed to have been killed on, a female crew member who died on the flight said.

www.lbc.co.uk... NGnJYLELtV3tldzfs

a reply to: andy06shake

Just heard a report from US intelligence community believes that Prigozhin's plane was brought down by an "on-board explosion" (though they are not saying a "bomb"), rather than by missile attack, claiming "no evidence of a missile"


Also being reported that Wagner troops in Belarus are starting to return to Russia. Aaaannnnd, Ukrainian president Zelenskyy has offered former Wagner mercenaries, "who are not guilty of committing atrocities", the option of joining the Ukrainian forces to "continue the fight against Putin".


These are reports heard in MSM TV news programs today....Take them for what they are



But, Prigozhin's popularity cannot be denied. Prigozhin's troops were loyal to Prigozhin, not Putin. Those troops represent a significant fraction of Russia's fighting force.

If they get it into their minds that Prigozhin should be avenged, as Putin may have carried out his vengeance against Prigozhin,


Things could get "spicy" in borscht-land very soon.

a reply to: Mantiss2021

There’s a leak that shrapnel consistent with an S300 was pulled from his body. So it’s a lot of conflicting information right now.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Mantiss2021

There’s a leak that shrapnel consistent with an S300 was pulled from his body. So it’s a lot of conflicting information right now.

well that would jive with a missing wing.

originally posted by: gortex
Prigozhin was a shrewd operator I'm sure he would have taken into account that Putin would likely take his revenge

With that in mind is it possible that Putin had nothing to do with this? That Prigozhin faked his own death to escape Putin’s inevitable revenge.

He’s now sipping piña colada on a South American beach awaiting his Brazilian plastic surgeon appointment

a reply to: Mantiss2021

Cheers for the additional input Mantiss2021.

Missile or on-board explosion, i think it's safe to say, Putin's pawprints are all over this one.

Be nice to see former Wagner mercenaries, butthurt over the demise of their master, turn about and choose to fight for Ukraine.

Realistically I'm not sure how viable an option that may be all the same.

Then again the old saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" springs to mind.

Things could indeed get rather spicy.

The entire wing and landing gear structure was found 3km away from the fuselage, near where the tail was found.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: carewemust

If it was as simple as that, i imagine the man would have been dead long ago.

The logic being if Putin is assassinated, from within or without, then whoever replaces him may well turn out to be even worse.

Then there is the fact that the idea of killing leaders of other nations is not a responsible or ethical approach to resolving conflicts or differences, and can be somewhat problematic a plan apt to backfire rather than succeed, especially so if found out.

You're right

The man who replaces putin just might call an end to all of the killing

Wouldn't that piss everyone off looking for their Christmas bonus.......

Food for thought