Transgender women banned from sports is one thing. Banned from chess! Now it's getting silly.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

Keep lying...

I showed you the relevant passages, FROM THE ACTUAL FIDE REGULATIONS, if you fail to understand what they say because its not some english for dummies but academic English that's on you!

but stop accusing me of denial when all the facts show you are projecting your own shortcomings.

Keep lying to yourself if it helps you feel better...

You are lying to yourself by denying the reality of the ban on transwomen by the chess federation. There is nobody else in this thread who doubts there is a ban and there are only two biological sexes.

Others have asked you (myself too) what do you mean by legal women? Have you dropped the term transwomen altogether or you're still using it?

Speaking of transwomen and bans

news.sky.com...

Transgender women banned from competitive female cycling events by national governing body
The move, which is set to take effect by the end of the year and only covers British Cycling races, ends the hopes of Emily Bridges, who set a national junior men's record in 2018 and came out as a transgender woman in 2020.

One ban after the other.
It has been a disastrous year for the trans lobby. The last place anyone was expecting to hear about bans on transwomen was chess to be honest. Adding insult to injury as the Brits say.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: quintessentone

I could fill out and sign that form even if I was a man and had never played chess.

The fact you think the disparity in performance between male and female players is due to sexual violence says a lot about your neurotic paranoia.

It's unbelievable!
Sexual violence is now blamed because men doing much better than women in chess.

The document they have linked isn't related at all to the ability of female players in chess nor it explains the disparity in performance between male and female players. But it's a letter where some female chess players have been subjected to harassment and violence, allegedly. That's nothing to do with the chess itself as a game or with the ability of the female players in this game.

It is claimed by the other member chess is a sexist and violent game. I think they're probably have something else in mind when they say chess...

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: quintessentone

Men and women aren’t different intellectually? I beg to differ and there’s an abundance of research into the topic should you wish to read it.

Not in the game of chess as evidenced by a study proving equality when the games are played anonymously.

neurosciencenews.com...#:~:text=There%20are%20no%20gender%20differences,is%20no%20%E2%80%9Csmarter%20sex%E2%80%9D.

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The study you linked is irrelevant to chess. Nowhere it makes any discussion about the game itself or the differences in performances between men and women which are chaotic.

As the matter of fact it discusses why people think they are above average when it comes to IQ and especially why this comes from men quite often. Nothing to do with what you said in your post.

Do you understand that your arguments seem to be in a turmoil? You even link (not for the first time) random articles...

a reply to: AlienBorg

You are the only one inulting anything and its your own credibility, integrity, and intelligence. I'm just helping along to make it clear what you do around here.

Are you going to adress the FIDE regulatory I posted or will you keep ignoring it?

You know the motto of this board?

You fail at every corner to uphold it

a reply to: AlienBorg

Sexual violence is like the main argument for all the trans critique, and you are not to decide what document is legitimate or relevant and which not, especially when all you procured were pundit news and to this point you didn't adress anything from the actual FIDE regulations...

What do you think does the FIDE regulations say.

Why are fully transitioned men going to keep their womens chess titles?

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

Sexual violence is like the main argument for all the trans critique, and you are not to decide what document is legitimate or relevant and which not, especially when all you procured were pundit news and to this point you didn't adress anything from the actual FIDE regulations...

What do you think does the FIDE regulations say.

Why are fully transitioned men going to keep their womens chess titles?

You're keeping up with the vast amounts of misinformation but you don't even read the headlines.

So your question is why fully transitioned men going to keep their women's chess titles. That's not what is happening btw. Your mistaken or you propagandise (as usual)

Transgender men who won in women's events before transitioning will have their titles abolished. The titles could be renewed if a player detransitions and can "prove the ownership of the respective FIDE ID that holds the title," the federation said.

www.npr.org...#:~:text=Transgender%20men%20who%20won%20in,title%2C%22%20the%20federation%20 said.

It sounds the opposite to what you've claimed...

The chess federation not only banned transwomen from participating in female chess competitions but any transmen who won titles in women's competitions before 'transitioning' will see their titles vanish and disappear.

One blow after the other for the trans ideology

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

You are the only one inulting anything and its your own credibility, integrity, and intelligence. I'm just helping along to make it clear what you do around here.

Are you going to adress the FIDE regulatory I posted or will you keep ignoring it?

You know the motto of this board?

You fail at every corner to uphold it

As noted by several other members the person who has failed to convince it's you all the way with your usual strawman arguments, false information, non stop propaganda, and inability or unwillingness to accept even chess has delivered a blow to the trans ideology by banning transwomen from female chess competitions in addition to a number of other sports who said no to men participating in women's competitions.

You haven't even read the headlines yet and in your false perception you believe transmen are to keep any titles they won as women.. but their titles will be abolished as the chess federation has said.

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about.

a reply to: Terpene

On the top of these arguments that seem to be in a turmoil you keep using a term you discovered 'legal women' in an effort to argue in favour of transwomen in female sports who have been banned from most sports.

But still unable to define what a woman and what a man is. They're all blended in your imagination as if it's a soup of genders.

a reply to: Terpene
It's time for you to admit you have lost all arguments unless you want to keep going with pushing false information and the usual antiscience that comes from the trans lobby. But you're not making yourself a favour. It gets you to the point of zero credibility as noted by other members.


www.washingtonpost.com...

The international governing body for chess has released new policies that prohibit transgender women from competing in women’s events and will strip some transgender players of their titles

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

you keep lying and looking dumb when you fail to address the actual regulatory text and fail to answer any question, no matter how simple.

Transgender men who won in women's events before transitioning will have their titles abolished. The titles could be renewed if a player detransitions and can "prove the ownership of the respective FIDE ID that holds the title," the federation said.

Just to remind you of your claim

'Why are fully transitioned men going to keep their womens chess titles? '

You don't even read the headlines...

a reply to: AlienBorg

are you really that dumb?
read it again very carefully!

men who won in women's events before transitioning will have their titles abolished.

this means men who won in women's event after transitioning will keep their titles.
keep digging your grave...

This entire discussion just exemplifies how barking mad this whole trans stuff is.

How sports organisations and federations are tying themselves in knots, or being tied in knots, by language abuse and bullying by small numbers of people transfixed by an ideology that seeks to force change that directly negatively impacts women i.e., adult human females.

Ultimately, it concerns the unwanted intrusion of men* into events and sports where women want to compete against women. This includes the fact that the vast majority of people agree that a woman is an "adult human female", a fact vehemently opposed by followers of trans ideology who think a woman can be pretty much anything they want it to be.

*men, who some people think are women, thus opening the whole "feelings" versus "facts" debate.

a reply to: paraphi

I guess those that are irritated by chromosomes that don't match theirs must have some superman vision to see them in the first place...

There is a funny thing whareas you have 100 pictures of trans and you ought to find the one that isn't.

Chances are very high you will fail! the reason being you cant see, smell, hear, or feel chromosomes...

originally posted by: paraphi
This entire discussion just exemplifies how barking mad this whole trans stuff is.

How sports organisations and federations are tying themselves in knots, or being tied in knots, by language abuse and bullying by small numbers of people transfixed by an ideology that seeks to force change that directly negatively impacts women i.e., adult human females.

Ultimately, it concerns the unwanted intrusion of men* into events and sports where women want to compete against women. This includes the fact that the vast majority of people agree that a woman is an "adult human female", a fact vehemently opposed by followers of trans ideology who think a woman can be pretty much anything they want it to be.

*men, who some people think are women, thus opening the whole "feelings" versus "facts" debate.

Agree very strongly agree with the entire reply. Since when feelings are above and more important than facts? Men have no place in women's sports and competitions. This is at least understood by a variety of sports and organisations and society seems to have come to its senses although there is more to be done until all sports ban transwomen from female competitions and all transwomen are banned from female only spaces and events.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: paraphi
This entire discussion just exemplifies how barking mad this whole trans stuff is.

How sports organisations and federations are tying themselves in knots, or being tied in knots, by language abuse and bullying by small numbers of people transfixed by an ideology that seeks to force change that directly negatively impacts women i.e., adult human females.

Ultimately, it concerns the unwanted intrusion of men* into events and sports where women want to compete against women. This includes the fact that the vast majority of people agree that a woman is an "adult human female", a fact vehemently opposed by followers of trans ideology who think a woman can be pretty much anything they want it to be.

*men, who some people think are women, thus opening the whole "feelings" versus "facts" debate.

Agree very strongly agree with the entire reply. Since when feelings are above and more important than facts? Men have no place in women's sports and competitions. This is at least understood by a variety of sports and organisations and society seems to have come to its senses although there is more to be done until all sports ban transwomen from female competitions and all transwomen are banned from female only spaces and events.

I believe that chess should not have segregated teams, rather because of mitigating intimidation, sexism and sexual violence factors towards women players and discrimination towards LGBTQ players, all games should be played anonymously and not face-to-face. This will then allow players' true unobstructed performance and skill to shine through, without all the psychological and sociological issues at play when it's face-to-face. There problem solved.

a reply to: quintessentone

Not sure why you can't seem to get off this kick of "chess needs to be played anonymously".

If you play any game against another human being, there will always be a mental aspect to it.

Are you going to tell me that a psychological advantage in checkers is unfair? How about baseball, football, volleyball, Chinese checkers, Poker, tennis, arm wrestling, hand ball, etc?

Any game that takes some sort of strategy is going to, almost always, require a psychological aspect to understand your opponent and try to get in their head. There is no fair/unfair when it comes to that. If you can't handle it, maybe you shouldn't play the game.

Wanted to post this again since you decided to ignore it yesterday.

Also, as I stated yesterday, if you are not playing chess face to face you might as well be playing a computer and not even worrying about being ranked. It's pointless.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Not sure why you can't seem to get off this kick of "chess needs to be played anonymously".

If you play any game against another human being, there will always be a mental aspect to it.

Are you going to tell me that a psychological advantage in checkers is unfair? How about baseball, football, volleyball, Chinese checkers, Poker, tennis, arm wrestling, hand ball, etc?

Any game that takes some sort of strategy is going to, almost always, require a psychological aspect to understand your opponent and try to get in their head. There is no fair/unfair when it comes to that. If you can't handle it, maybe you shouldn't play the game.

Wanted to post this again since you decided to ignore it yesterday.

Also, as I stated yesterday, if you are not playing chess face to face you might as well be playing a computer and not even worrying about being ranked. It's pointless.

I didn't ignore it yesterday, I replied. You just didn't like my reply.

Chess is not equal to checkers in any form. Those other sports also require a physical aspect, so not equal to chess.

Face to face chess involves intimidation factors which affect performances, this has been proven to be a fact.

The study already proved that when all types of players played anonymously the male players were not superior players.

a reply to: quintessentone

You did ignore this comment, you replied to a previous one, but ignored this one. No worries, we all make mistakes

Whether they require a physical aspect or not is beside the point. A mental/psychological aspect is still present.

Being ranked #1 means absolutely nothing if you accomplished it in a controlled environment. You need challenge to do so and make it count. Having intimidation factors helps develop skills one cannot attain in a room by themselves.

Face to face competition builds you as a player. If you are too weak minded and scared to play against someone that "intimidates you" then maybe you should go find something else to do.