Transgender women banned from sports is one thing. Banned from chess! Now it's getting silly.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg
a reply to: Terpene


Back in 2022

www.usatoday.com...

BUDAPEST, Hungary – World swimming’s governing body effectively banned transgender athletes from competing in women’s events on Sunday.

It's not only chess that has banned men from female competitions and events. Chess is the latest in a bummer of sports having had enough with the trans lobby and the trans ideology.

That's not true the chess organizers, to me, seem confused as to what to do and thus they have put a "baffling" temporary restriction/ban on transwomen playing in women's teams. It's just more of the same stupid sexism BS within the game of chess.

On Monday, FIDE published a set of regulations about trans chess players in FIDE-sanctioned competitions, and they are, if we’re being honest, totally baffling. The regulations state that because changing one’s gender “has a significant impact on a player’s status and future eligibility,” players who transition must provide FIDE with “relevant proof” that they’ve officially changed their gender in a way that complies with the player’s country’s national laws. From there, the regulations say, the FIDE can accept or reject the player’s gender change.

It’s unclear why legally changing one’s gender, which is difficult or impossible for many people (it’s not even legal to do so in many countries!), would be a prerequisite for competition. Trans women specifically will be temporarily restricted from competing in women’s events, until, FIDE says, a further decision is made. The guidelines state that this decision will be based on the extremely vague “further analysis,” which will be conducted “at the earliest possible time,” and yet the regulations also leave the door open for that process to take up to two years. It’s unclear what exactly will be “analyzed,” as FIDE does not specify.

Even if you were going to buy the notion that trans women have some kind of universal physical advantage over cis women (they don’t), the FIDE rules prove that ultimately, these restrictions are never really about protecting women’s sports; they’re about stigmatizing and othering trans people.

While it is true that the world’s top chess players are overwhelmingly men, this is (obviously) not because men are inherently better at chess. Chess players, in general, are mostly men; only 15% of licensed players are women, according to FIDE data from 2020. But as many commentators have noted, the world of competitive chess runs rampant with sexism. As Wei Ji Ma wrote for Slate in 2020, chess culture tends to attribute success in chess to (an absolutely unproven) belief in inherent, biologically-determined skill, which is being reinforced by these new regulations.

“Yet FIDE is treating trans women as some sort of threat to the integrity of cisgender women playing chess.”

By the way, if FIDE is that concerned with protecting women in competitive chess, they might want to deal with the letter published just days before the announcement of the new regulations, which was signed by 100 women alleging sexist and sexual violence in chess. Seems like a real problem that needs real solutions.

While the whole incident is bewildering to the point of being laughable, it is also distinctly worrying that international organizations are legitimizing the oldest sexist stereotypes about intelligence out there. That’s not even to mention that basing cognitive capacity on biology is a notion that has always been rooted in eugenics. Yes, FIDE’s guidelines are extremely eyeroll-worthy, but it’s also worth keeping an eye on how transmisogynist gender-based restrictions will continue to harm us all.

www.them.us...

And within FIDE women are not equally represented. Put a woman President in charge and let's see what happens.

www.fide.com...

A new word for all of us to consider "transmisogynist".

It may not be clear to you but it's clear to the rest of the audience the chess federation has banned transwomen from female chess competitions. There is nothing 'temporary' and the sport wants to be polite by saying we're looking at the matter. They had enough of the trans lobby as it seems.

Remember the top ranking woman ranks 89th in the world and the world's female champion 404th in the world (among all competitive players of both genders).

It's clear men have a great advantage over women and the ban on transwomen was long overdue.

As I said previously have that top woman chess player play 'come one come all' anonymously and let's see what standing/ranking she will achieve. If male chess players have any advantage it's because they help each other and not upcoming women players, as per usual.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Grenade

there are countries, where women have no rights either. what's your point, there will always be countries behind the curve when change happens. doesn't make them right, just retarded.

let's stick to law and order, it's well-defined, and the few new words needed to really make sure the trans reality can't be abused by anyone won't kill us either. It needs to be legally acknowledged, otherwise it will keep causing problems.

Depends on how you measure acceptance. Some fringe extremist political movement is hardly general acceptance.

laws change and societal order does too, they are highly dependent on each other and can influence each other, all change starts as a fringe idea.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and in the vast majority of countries your narrative is totally rejected.

I know trans critique have a lot in common with Islam, and would probably feel saver and more respected in an Islamic culture.
as far as I'm aware, people can move to other countries, try it

This is a strawman argument.
Arguing in favour of women's rights on one hand and completely disregard them on the other hand. Unless you believe transwomen are women according to the very famous but debunked trans slogan.

Men have no place in female chess or rowing or swimming or any female competitions. Transwomen are men and it's better if you come to terms with the facts and reality.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: quintessentone

I actually found FISAs approach rather sensible... I posted a link to their statutes, but it got deleted for manners violation... lol

I find their approach confusing or as an editor from the article put it "baffling" as the editor states, most transwomen are not able to transition fully for many reasons so the new regulations requiring them to transition legally into a legal woman will most likely never happen. To me it is smoke and mirrors to permanently ban transwomen from women's competitions and if we look at the history of why chess has segregated gender teams then we can plainly see it is not because of biology but rather male to male advantages and sexism.

Women determined by chromosomes and not by legal papers. I see you too dropped the transwoman term for legal woman. It seems the transgender ideology and lobby has serious issues after the latest ban of transwomen in chess.

That is the only term we can use to describe the new regulations or restrictions by FIDE... others are asking the same questions that I am. And coming up with the same conclusion: nonsensical.

Regardless of one's thoughts on this, the physical disparity between men and women is not in dispute, so the concerns that surgical reassignment won't suffice to swing that are understandable. However, chess is a mental sport, and while physical stamina is a factor, raw physical strength is not a determining one in chess performance. So does this decision make sense, or is it backward thinking short-sightedness?

As a discipline, chess is still struggling to overcome a paradox it represents. On the one hand, there is ample documentation, well established, that states that the mean average IQ of women and men is identical, so if IQ alone were the key to chess performance, FIDE's position would be nonsensical at best.

Judit is by far the biggest outlier, having peaked at world no.8, and has championed the idea that it is an educational issue: all you need is to revise the way women are educated and the gap will disappear. There is little question that the way one is educated can impact self-image and that self-image is often a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you think you can’t, you won’t.

...there's those psychological and sociological aspects again...

en.chessbase.com...#:~:text=8%2F21%2F2023%20%E2%80%93%20In,to%20man%20to%20women%20transgenders.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg
a reply to: Terpene


Back in 2022

www.usatoday.com...

BUDAPEST, Hungary – World swimming’s governing body effectively banned transgender athletes from competing in women’s events on Sunday.

It's not only chess that has banned men from female competitions and events. Chess is the latest in a bummer of sports having had enough with the trans lobby and the trans ideology.

That's not true the chess organizers, to me, seem confused as to what to do and thus they have put a "baffling" temporary restriction/ban on transwomen playing in women's teams. It's just more of the same stupid sexism BS within the game of chess.

On Monday, FIDE published a set of regulations about trans chess players in FIDE-sanctioned competitions, and they are, if we’re being honest, totally baffling. The regulations state that because changing one’s gender “has a significant impact on a player’s status and future eligibility,” players who transition must provide FIDE with “relevant proof” that they’ve officially changed their gender in a way that complies with the player’s country’s national laws. From there, the regulations say, the FIDE can accept or reject the player’s gender change.

It’s unclear why legally changing one’s gender, which is difficult or impossible for many people (it’s not even legal to do so in many countries!), would be a prerequisite for competition. Trans women specifically will be temporarily restricted from competing in women’s events, until, FIDE says, a further decision is made. The guidelines state that this decision will be based on the extremely vague “further analysis,” which will be conducted “at the earliest possible time,” and yet the regulations also leave the door open for that process to take up to two years. It’s unclear what exactly will be “analyzed,” as FIDE does not specify.

Even if you were going to buy the notion that trans women have some kind of universal physical advantage over cis women (they don’t), the FIDE rules prove that ultimately, these restrictions are never really about protecting women’s sports; they’re about stigmatizing and othering trans people.

While it is true that the world’s top chess players are overwhelmingly men, this is (obviously) not because men are inherently better at chess. Chess players, in general, are mostly men; only 15% of licensed players are women, according to FIDE data from 2020. But as many commentators have noted, the world of competitive chess runs rampant with sexism. As Wei Ji Ma wrote for Slate in 2020, chess culture tends to attribute success in chess to (an absolutely unproven) belief in inherent, biologically-determined skill, which is being reinforced by these new regulations.

“Yet FIDE is treating trans women as some sort of threat to the integrity of cisgender women playing chess.”

By the way, if FIDE is that concerned with protecting women in competitive chess, they might want to deal with the letter published just days before the announcement of the new regulations, which was signed by 100 women alleging sexist and sexual violence in chess. Seems like a real problem that needs real solutions.

While the whole incident is bewildering to the point of being laughable, it is also distinctly worrying that international organizations are legitimizing the oldest sexist stereotypes about intelligence out there. That’s not even to mention that basing cognitive capacity on biology is a notion that has always been rooted in eugenics. Yes, FIDE’s guidelines are extremely eyeroll-worthy, but it’s also worth keeping an eye on how transmisogynist gender-based restrictions will continue to harm us all.

www.them.us...

And within FIDE women are not equally represented. Put a woman President in charge and let's see what happens.

www.fide.com...

A new word for all of us to consider "transmisogynist".

It may not be clear to you but it's clear to the rest of the audience the chess federation has banned transwomen from female chess competitions. There is nothing 'temporary' and the sport wants to be polite by saying we're looking at the matter. They had enough of the trans lobby as it seems.

Remember the top ranking woman ranks 89th in the world and the world's female champion 404th in the world (among all competitive players of both genders).

It's clear men have a great advantage over women and the ban on transwomen was long overdue.

As I said previously have that top woman chess player play 'come one come all' anonymously and let's see what standing/ranking she will achieve. If male chess players have any advantage it's because they help each other and not upcoming women players, as per usual.

It won't change anything as the rankings will not change.

When the world female champion in chess ranks 404th in the world it's not even a question on how female players perform in comparison to male chess players.

The last part of your reply doesn't make any sense. It's already known for long time women are way behind men in chess.

The ranking of chess players goes according to the ELo system.

a reply to: AlienBorg

you have no clue how FISA and a chess enlistment works... obviously.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: quintessentone

I actually found FISAs approach rather sensible... I posted a link to their statutes, but it got deleted for manners violation... lol

I find their approach confusing or as an editor from the article put it "baffling" as the editor states, most transwomen are not able to transition fully for many reasons so the new regulations requiring them to transition legally into a legal woman will most likely never happen. To me it is smoke and mirrors to permanently ban transwomen from women's competitions and if we look at the history of why chess has segregated gender teams then we can plainly see it is not because of biology but rather male to male advantages and sexism.

Women determined by chromosomes and not by legal papers. I see you too dropped the transwoman term for legal woman. It seems the transgender ideology and lobby has serious issues after the latest ban of transwomen in chess.

That is the only term we can use to describe the new regulations or restrictions by FIDE... others are asking the same questions that I am. And coming up with the same conclusion: nonsensical.

Regardless of one's thoughts on this, the physical disparity between men and women is not in dispute, so the concerns that surgical reassignment won't suffice to swing that are understandable. However, chess is a mental sport, and while physical stamina is a factor, raw physical strength is not a determining one in chess performance. So does this decision make sense, or is it backward thinking short-sightedness?

As a discipline, chess is still struggling to overcome a paradox it represents. On the one hand, there is ample documentation, well established, that states that the mean average IQ of women and men is identical, so if IQ alone were the key to chess performance, FIDE's position would be nonsensical at best.

Judit is by far the biggest outlier, having peaked at world no.8, and has championed the idea that it is an educational issue: all you need is to revise the way women are educated and the gap will disappear. There is little question that the way one is educated can impact self-image and that self-image is often a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you think you can’t, you won’t.

...there's those psychological and sociological aspects again...

en.chessbase.com...#:~:text=8%2F21%2F2023%20%E2%80%93%20In,to%20man%20to%20women%20transgenders.[/q uote]

Nobody is asking questions apart from the other member and yourself. It's quite clear women and behind men in chess and the ban is sound. It's actually nonsensical to try to question the ban or other bans on transwomen over the last few years.

Arguing psychological factors determining performance in chess is also nonsensical based on one study with questionable conclusions that appeal to those who have never played chess.

The quotes you're linking it's just waste of time.

edit on 23-8-2023 by AlienBorg because: (no reason given)

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

you have no clue how FISA and a chess enlistment works... obviously.

If you have any questions you can always ask the chess federation to reverse the ban on transwomen players based on your intuition and your definition of legal women.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg
a reply to: Terpene


Back in 2022

www.usatoday.com...

BUDAPEST, Hungary – World swimming’s governing body effectively banned transgender athletes from competing in women’s events on Sunday.

It's not only chess that has banned men from female competitions and events. Chess is the latest in a bummer of sports having had enough with the trans lobby and the trans ideology.

That's not true the chess organizers, to me, seem confused as to what to do and thus they have put a "baffling" temporary restriction/ban on transwomen playing in women's teams. It's just more of the same stupid sexism BS within the game of chess.

On Monday, FIDE published a set of regulations about trans chess players in FIDE-sanctioned competitions, and they are, if we’re being honest, totally baffling. The regulations state that because changing one’s gender “has a significant impact on a player’s status and future eligibility,” players who transition must provide FIDE with “relevant proof” that they’ve officially changed their gender in a way that complies with the player’s country’s national laws. From there, the regulations say, the FIDE can accept or reject the player’s gender change.

It’s unclear why legally changing one’s gender, which is difficult or impossible for many people (it’s not even legal to do so in many countries!), would be a prerequisite for competition. Trans women specifically will be temporarily restricted from competing in women’s events, until, FIDE says, a further decision is made. The guidelines state that this decision will be based on the extremely vague “further analysis,” which will be conducted “at the earliest possible time,” and yet the regulations also leave the door open for that process to take up to two years. It’s unclear what exactly will be “analyzed,” as FIDE does not specify.

Even if you were going to buy the notion that trans women have some kind of universal physical advantage over cis women (they don’t), the FIDE rules prove that ultimately, these restrictions are never really about protecting women’s sports; they’re about stigmatizing and othering trans people.

While it is true that the world’s top chess players are overwhelmingly men, this is (obviously) not because men are inherently better at chess. Chess players, in general, are mostly men; only 15% of licensed players are women, according to FIDE data from 2020. But as many commentators have noted, the world of competitive chess runs rampant with sexism. As Wei Ji Ma wrote for Slate in 2020, chess culture tends to attribute success in chess to (an absolutely unproven) belief in inherent, biologically-determined skill, which is being reinforced by these new regulations.

“Yet FIDE is treating trans women as some sort of threat to the integrity of cisgender women playing chess.”

By the way, if FIDE is that concerned with protecting women in competitive chess, they might want to deal with the letter published just days before the announcement of the new regulations, which was signed by 100 women alleging sexist and sexual violence in chess. Seems like a real problem that needs real solutions.

While the whole incident is bewildering to the point of being laughable, it is also distinctly worrying that international organizations are legitimizing the oldest sexist stereotypes about intelligence out there. That’s not even to mention that basing cognitive capacity on biology is a notion that has always been rooted in eugenics. Yes, FIDE’s guidelines are extremely eyeroll-worthy, but it’s also worth keeping an eye on how transmisogynist gender-based restrictions will continue to harm us all.

www.them.us...

And within FIDE women are not equally represented. Put a woman President in charge and let's see what happens.

www.fide.com...

A new word for all of us to consider "transmisogynist".

It may not be clear to you but it's clear to the rest of the audience the chess federation has banned transwomen from female chess competitions. There is nothing 'temporary' and the sport wants to be polite by saying we're looking at the matter. They had enough of the trans lobby as it seems.

Remember the top ranking woman ranks 89th in the world and the world's female champion 404th in the world (among all competitive players of both genders).

It's clear men have a great advantage over women and the ban on transwomen was long overdue.

As I said previously have that top woman chess player play 'come one come all' anonymously and let's see what standing/ranking she will achieve. If male chess players have any advantage it's because they help each other and not upcoming women players, as per usual.

It won't change anything as the rankings will not change.

When the world female champion in chess ranks 404th in the world it's not even a question on how female players perform in comparison to male chess players.

The last part of your reply doesn't make any sense. It's already known for long time women are way behind men in chess.

The ranking of chess players goes according to the ELo system.

You are totally missing the context in my posts. The existing system in all is unglory is sexist and benefits the male players and always has and now the women players have sent a letter to FIDE to address these issues.

Here's the letter...

docs.google.com...=h.sku10hgmlngs

Tell me again why women rank lower?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg
a reply to: Terpene


Back in 2022

www.usatoday.com...

BUDAPEST, Hungary – World swimming’s governing body effectively banned transgender athletes from competing in women’s events on Sunday.

It's not only chess that has banned men from female competitions and events. Chess is the latest in a bummer of sports having had enough with the trans lobby and the trans ideology.

That's not true the chess organizers, to me, seem confused as to what to do and thus they have put a "baffling" temporary restriction/ban on transwomen playing in women's teams. It's just more of the same stupid sexism BS within the game of chess.

On Monday, FIDE published a set of regulations about trans chess players in FIDE-sanctioned competitions, and they are, if we’re being honest, totally baffling. The regulations state that because changing one’s gender “has a significant impact on a player’s status and future eligibility,” players who transition must provide FIDE with “relevant proof” that they’ve officially changed their gender in a way that complies with the player’s country’s national laws. From there, the regulations say, the FIDE can accept or reject the player’s gender change.

It’s unclear why legally changing one’s gender, which is difficult or impossible for many people (it’s not even legal to do so in many countries!), would be a prerequisite for competition. Trans women specifically will be temporarily restricted from competing in women’s events, until, FIDE says, a further decision is made. The guidelines state that this decision will be based on the extremely vague “further analysis,” which will be conducted “at the earliest possible time,” and yet the regulations also leave the door open for that process to take up to two years. It’s unclear what exactly will be “analyzed,” as FIDE does not specify.

Even if you were going to buy the notion that trans women have some kind of universal physical advantage over cis women (they don’t), the FIDE rules prove that ultimately, these restrictions are never really about protecting women’s sports; they’re about stigmatizing and othering trans people.

While it is true that the world’s top chess players are overwhelmingly men, this is (obviously) not because men are inherently better at chess. Chess players, in general, are mostly men; only 15% of licensed players are women, according to FIDE data from 2020. But as many commentators have noted, the world of competitive chess runs rampant with sexism. As Wei Ji Ma wrote for Slate in 2020, chess culture tends to attribute success in chess to (an absolutely unproven) belief in inherent, biologically-determined skill, which is being reinforced by these new regulations.

“Yet FIDE is treating trans women as some sort of threat to the integrity of cisgender women playing chess.”

By the way, if FIDE is that concerned with protecting women in competitive chess, they might want to deal with the letter published just days before the announcement of the new regulations, which was signed by 100 women alleging sexist and sexual violence in chess. Seems like a real problem that needs real solutions.

While the whole incident is bewildering to the point of being laughable, it is also distinctly worrying that international organizations are legitimizing the oldest sexist stereotypes about intelligence out there. That’s not even to mention that basing cognitive capacity on biology is a notion that has always been rooted in eugenics. Yes, FIDE’s guidelines are extremely eyeroll-worthy, but it’s also worth keeping an eye on how transmisogynist gender-based restrictions will continue to harm us all.

www.them.us...

And within FIDE women are not equally represented. Put a woman President in charge and let's see what happens.

www.fide.com...

A new word for all of us to consider "transmisogynist".

It may not be clear to you but it's clear to the rest of the audience the chess federation has banned transwomen from female chess competitions. There is nothing 'temporary' and the sport wants to be polite by saying we're looking at the matter. They had enough of the trans lobby as it seems.

Remember the top ranking woman ranks 89th in the world and the world's female champion 404th in the world (among all competitive players of both genders).

It's clear men have a great advantage over women and the ban on transwomen was long overdue.

As I said previously have that top woman chess player play 'come one come all' anonymously and let's see what standing/ranking she will achieve. If male chess players have any advantage it's because they help each other and not upcoming women players, as per usual.

It won't change anything as the rankings will not change.

When the world female champion in chess ranks 404th in the world it's not even a question on how female players perform in comparison to male chess players.

The last part of your reply doesn't make any sense. It's already known for long time women are way behind men in chess.

The ranking of chess players goes according to the ELo system.

You are totally missing the context in my posts. The existing system in all is unglory is sexist and benefits the male players and always has and now the women players have sent a letter to FIDE to address these issues.

Here's the letter...

docs.google.com...=h.sku10hgmlngs

Tell me again why women rank lower?

Nothing is sexist. That's your own unsubstantiated opinion having no merits.

On the contrary the chess federation recognises men have an advantage and had banned transwomen from female chess competitions. Perhaps you could ask them to reverse the ban by arguing on the basis of the one study you have linked with questionable conclusions.

Care to justify and show why chess is sexist? It's just a rhetorical question btw.

It seems the trans lobby is in real trouble after the latest blow to the trans ideology.

Your document isn't related to the ability of female players in chess. But it's a letter saying some female chess players have been subjected to harassment and violence. That's nothing to do with the chess itself as a game or with the ability of the female players in this game.

Try not to confuse matters and argue nonsense.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg
a reply to: Terpene


Back in 2022

www.usatoday.com...

BUDAPEST, Hungary – World swimming’s governing body effectively banned transgender athletes from competing in women’s events on Sunday.

It's not only chess that has banned men from female competitions and events. Chess is the latest in a bummer of sports having had enough with the trans lobby and the trans ideology.

That's not true the chess organizers, to me, seem confused as to what to do and thus they have put a "baffling" temporary restriction/ban on transwomen playing in women's teams. It's just more of the same stupid sexism BS within the game of chess.

On Monday, FIDE published a set of regulations about trans chess players in FIDE-sanctioned competitions, and they are, if we’re being honest, totally baffling. The regulations state that because changing one’s gender “has a significant impact on a player’s status and future eligibility,” players who transition must provide FIDE with “relevant proof” that they’ve officially changed their gender in a way that complies with the player’s country’s national laws. From there, the regulations say, the FIDE can accept or reject the player’s gender change.

It’s unclear why legally changing one’s gender, which is difficult or impossible for many people (it’s not even legal to do so in many countries!), would be a prerequisite for competition. Trans women specifically will be temporarily restricted from competing in women’s events, until, FIDE says, a further decision is made. The guidelines state that this decision will be based on the extremely vague “further analysis,” which will be conducted “at the earliest possible time,” and yet the regulations also leave the door open for that process to take up to two years. It’s unclear what exactly will be “analyzed,” as FIDE does not specify.

Even if you were going to buy the notion that trans women have some kind of universal physical advantage over cis women (they don’t), the FIDE rules prove that ultimately, these restrictions are never really about protecting women’s sports; they’re about stigmatizing and othering trans people.

While it is true that the world’s top chess players are overwhelmingly men, this is (obviously) not because men are inherently better at chess. Chess players, in general, are mostly men; only 15% of licensed players are women, according to FIDE data from 2020. But as many commentators have noted, the world of competitive chess runs rampant with sexism. As Wei Ji Ma wrote for Slate in 2020, chess culture tends to attribute success in chess to (an absolutely unproven) belief in inherent, biologically-determined skill, which is being reinforced by these new regulations.

“Yet FIDE is treating trans women as some sort of threat to the integrity of cisgender women playing chess.”

By the way, if FIDE is that concerned with protecting women in competitive chess, they might want to deal with the letter published just days before the announcement of the new regulations, which was signed by 100 women alleging sexist and sexual violence in chess. Seems like a real problem that needs real solutions.

While the whole incident is bewildering to the point of being laughable, it is also distinctly worrying that international organizations are legitimizing the oldest sexist stereotypes about intelligence out there. That’s not even to mention that basing cognitive capacity on biology is a notion that has always been rooted in eugenics. Yes, FIDE’s guidelines are extremely eyeroll-worthy, but it’s also worth keeping an eye on how transmisogynist gender-based restrictions will continue to harm us all.

www.them.us...

And within FIDE women are not equally represented. Put a woman President in charge and let's see what happens.

www.fide.com...

A new word for all of us to consider "transmisogynist".

It may not be clear to you but it's clear to the rest of the audience the chess federation has banned transwomen from female chess competitions. There is nothing 'temporary' and the sport wants to be polite by saying we're looking at the matter. They had enough of the trans lobby as it seems.

Remember the top ranking woman ranks 89th in the world and the world's female champion 404th in the world (among all competitive players of both genders).

It's clear men have a great advantage over women and the ban on transwomen was long overdue.

As I said previously have that top woman chess player play 'come one come all' anonymously and let's see what standing/ranking she will achieve. If male chess players have any advantage it's because they help each other and not upcoming women players, as per usual.

It won't change anything as the rankings will not change.

When the world female champion in chess ranks 404th in the world it's not even a question on how female players perform in comparison to male chess players.

The last part of your reply doesn't make any sense. It's already known for long time women are way behind men in chess.

The ranking of chess players goes according to the ELo system.

You are totally missing the context in my posts. The existing system in all is unglory is sexist and benefits the male players and always has and now the women players have sent a letter to FIDE to address these issues.

Here's the letter...

docs.google.com...=h.sku10hgmlngs

Tell me again why women rank lower?

Nothing is sexist. That's your own unsubstantiated opinion having no merits.

On the contrary the chess federation recognises men have an advantage and had banned transwomen from female chess competitions. Perhaps you could ask them to reverse the ban by arguing on the basis of the one study you have linked with questionable conclusions.

Care to justify and show why chess is sexist? It's just a rhetorical question btw.

It seems the trans lobby is in real trouble after the latest blow to the trans ideology.

Your document isn't related to the ability of female players in chess. But it's a letter saying some female sex played have been subjected to harassment and violence. That's nothing to do with the chess itself or with the ability of the female players.

Read the letter by 100 female chess players...not only is it sexist but also violent.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg
a reply to: Terpene


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BUDAPEST, Hungary – World swimming’s governing body effectively banned transgender athletes from competing in women’s events on Sunday.

It's not only chess that has banned men from female competitions and events. Chess is the latest in a bummer of sports having had enough with the trans lobby and the trans ideology.

That's not true the chess organizers, to me, seem confused as to what to do and thus they have put a "baffling" temporary restriction/ban on transwomen playing in women's teams. It's just more of the same stupid sexism BS within the game of chess.

On Monday, FIDE published a set of regulations about trans chess players in FIDE-sanctioned competitions, and they are, if we’re being honest, totally baffling. The regulations state that because changing one’s gender “has a significant impact on a player’s status and future eligibility,” players who transition must provide FIDE with “relevant proof” that they’ve officially changed their gender in a way that complies with the player’s country’s national laws. From there, the regulations say, the FIDE can accept or reject the player’s gender change.

It’s unclear why legally changing one’s gender, which is difficult or impossible for many people (it’s not even legal to do so in many countries!), would be a prerequisite for competition. Trans women specifically will be temporarily restricted from competing in women’s events, until, FIDE says, a further decision is made. The guidelines state that this decision will be based on the extremely vague “further analysis,” which will be conducted “at the earliest possible time,” and yet the regulations also leave the door open for that process to take up to two years. It’s unclear what exactly will be “analyzed,” as FIDE does not specify.

Even if you were going to buy the notion that trans women have some kind of universal physical advantage over cis women (they don’t), the FIDE rules prove that ultimately, these restrictions are never really about protecting women’s sports; they’re about stigmatizing and othering trans people.

While it is true that the world’s top chess players are overwhelmingly men, this is (obviously) not because men are inherently better at chess. Chess players, in general, are mostly men; only 15% of licensed players are women, according to FIDE data from 2020. But as many commentators have noted, the world of competitive chess runs rampant with sexism. As Wei Ji Ma wrote for Slate in 2020, chess culture tends to attribute success in chess to (an absolutely unproven) belief in inherent, biologically-determined skill, which is being reinforced by these new regulations.

“Yet FIDE is treating trans women as some sort of threat to the integrity of cisgender women playing chess.”

By the way, if FIDE is that concerned with protecting women in competitive chess, they might want to deal with the letter published just days before the announcement of the new regulations, which was signed by 100 women alleging sexist and sexual violence in chess. Seems like a real problem that needs real solutions.

While the whole incident is bewildering to the point of being laughable, it is also distinctly worrying that international organizations are legitimizing the oldest sexist stereotypes about intelligence out there. That’s not even to mention that basing cognitive capacity on biology is a notion that has always been rooted in eugenics. Yes, FIDE’s guidelines are extremely eyeroll-worthy, but it’s also worth keeping an eye on how transmisogynist gender-based restrictions will continue to harm us all.

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And within FIDE women are not equally represented. Put a woman President in charge and let's see what happens.

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A new word for all of us to consider "transmisogynist".

It may not be clear to you but it's clear to the rest of the audience the chess federation has banned transwomen from female chess competitions. There is nothing 'temporary' and the sport wants to be polite by saying we're looking at the matter. They had enough of the trans lobby as it seems.

Remember the top ranking woman ranks 89th in the world and the world's female champion 404th in the world (among all competitive players of both genders).

It's clear men have a great advantage over women and the ban on transwomen was long overdue.

As I said previously have that top woman chess player play 'come one come all' anonymously and let's see what standing/ranking she will achieve. If male chess players have any advantage it's because they help each other and not upcoming women players, as per usual.

It won't change anything as the rankings will not change.

When the world female champion in chess ranks 404th in the world it's not even a question on how female players perform in comparison to male chess players.

The last part of your reply doesn't make any sense. It's already known for long time women are way behind men in chess.

The ranking of chess players goes according to the ELo system.

You are totally missing the context in my posts. The existing system in all is unglory is sexist and benefits the male players and always has and now the women players have sent a letter to FIDE to address these issues.

Here's the letter...

docs.google.com...=h.sku10hgmlngs

Tell me again why women rank lower?

Nothing is sexist. That's your own unsubstantiated opinion having no merits.

On the contrary the chess federation recognises men have an advantage and had banned transwomen from female chess competitions. Perhaps you could ask them to reverse the ban by arguing on the basis of the one study you have linked with questionable conclusions.

Care to justify and show why chess is sexist? It's just a rhetorical question btw.

It seems the trans lobby is in real trouble after the latest blow to the trans ideology.

Your document isn't related to the ability of female players in chess. But it's a letter saying some female sex played have been subjected to harassment and violence. That's nothing to do with the chess itself or with the ability of the female players.

Read the letter by 100 female chess players...not only is it sexist but also violent.

That's not true. Chess itself is a very polite and gentle game. If some female chess players have been subjected to harassment or violence it has nothing to do with the game itself or with the ability of female players in the game. It's not a contact game...

a reply to: quintessentone

I understand you don't know much about the game itself and you're trying to make connections between the game itself and sexism. Terrible arguments to be honest.

The topic of this thread is different but even on this attempt to say something you completely fail for once more.

The topic is clear.
Transwomen have been banned from female chess competitions.

a reply to: quintessentone

You are totally missing the context in my posts.

it's like a superpower, we just don't understand what it accomplishes...

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: quintessentone

You are totally missing the context in my posts.

it's like a superpower, we just don't understand what it accomplishes...

It accomplishes much understanding context but in the case here it's nonsensical to even try, present company excepted.

a reply to: quintessentone

How does it benefit the male players?

Chess has some pretty defined rules.

The fact you’re blaming sexual abuse on their lack of representation is a real stretch.

If that is the case then having a women’s only division would be the answer and offer a safe space to play. But as per usual you can’t see the wood for all the trees. You think allowing biological and highly sexualised men into the women’s game is going to help?

You post articles that you completely misread and misrepresent your position, then have the gall to claim others are taking you out of context. Actually post something that’s not full of inconsistencies and we might have a chance at understanding your opinion.

a reply to: quintessentone

Chess is a violent sport, holy what in the snowflakes?

After a few hundred rounds in a boxing ring all I can do is laugh at such claims.

How soft are you folk? I mean seriously.

here are some actual quotes from the FIDE regulations, why?....because deny ignorance

FIDE in their Directory will recognize an individual’s gender identity that is consistent with the identity they maintain in their non chess life AND that has been confirmed by national authorities based on a due legal and formal process of change.

. Prohibition of the players to participate in the respective country’s chess events in case the player’s request was rejected by a Member Federation and then accepted by FIDE is to be considered and sanctioned as a discriminatory behavior.

The National Ratings Officer is responsible for entering justified gender change in FIN to ensure the player's gender at the national level matches the FIN gender. If the player has applied for the national ID gender change, the National Rating Officer shall encourage the player to apply for the change of the gender attached to the FIN. In case of the discrepancy between the national ID gender and FIN gender, FIDE follows its entry to define the eligibility of the player in FIDE events

In the event that the gender was changed from a male to a female the player has no right to participate in official FIDE events for women until further FIDE’s decision is made. Such decision should be based on further analysis and shall be taken by the FIDE Council at the earliest possible time, but not longer than within 2 (two) years period.

Titles. If a player holds any of the women titles, but the gender has been changed to a man, the women titles are to be abolished. Those can be renewed if the person changes the gender back to a woman and can prove the ownership of the respective FIDE ID that holds the title. The abolished women title may be transferred into a general title of the same or lower level (e.g., WGM may be transferred into FM, WIM into CM, etc.). If a player has changed the gender from a man into a woman, all the previous titles remain eligible. The player may use only the published rating at the time the registration was changed, and all subsequent ratings when applying for women titles. No peak ratings or results that have been reached before the official gender change may be used to qualify for women titles after the legal gender change. 4.2. Rating. Regardless of the gender change, the previous rating remains attributed to the player without change. 4.3. Liabilities. Changing gender, regardless if the previous FIN is retained or a new one obtained, the player is not exempt from the penalty of punishments and restrictions previously applied to this player.

source: FIDE regulations on trans

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: quintessentone

How does it benefit the male players?

Chess has some pretty defined rules.

The fact you’re blaming sexual abuse on their lack of representation is a real stretch.

If that is the case then having a women’s only division would be the answer and offer a safe space to play. But as per usual you can’t see the wood for all the trees. You think allowing biological and highly sexualised men into the women’s game is going to help?

You post articles that you completely misread and misrepresent your position, then have the gall to claim others are taking you out of context. Actually post something that’s not full of inconsistencies and we might have a chance at understanding your opinion.

The female chess players are making the claim, I am the messenger. If you can't accept the reality then there is no point in further discussion.

a reply to: quintessentone

I could fill out and sign that form even if I was a man and had never played chess.

The fact you think the disparity in performance between male and female players is due to sexual violence says a lot about your neurotic paranoia.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: quintessentone

I could fill out and sign that form even if I was a man and had never played chess.

The fact you think the disparity in performance between male and female players is due to sexual violence says a lot about your neurotic paranoia.

Sure go with the insults now because that's all you have.