Transgender women banned from sports is one thing. Banned from chess! Now it's getting silly.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

You did ignore this comment, you replied to a previous one, but ignored this one. No worries, we all make mistakes

Whether they require a physical aspect or not is beside the point. A mental/psychological aspect is still present.

Being ranked #1 means absolutely nothing if you accomplished it in a controlled environment. You need challenge to do so and make it count. Having intimidation factors helps develop skills one cannot attain in a room by themselves.

Face to face competition builds you as a player. If you are too weak minded and scared to play against someone that "intimidates you" then maybe you should go find something else to do.

The face-to-face chess tournament environment is not a controlled environment as intimidation tactics are used by players and nobody stops it.

Also as evidenced by the woman players sending a letter to the FIDE complaining of sexism and sexual violence, now how do the other players sneak in that type abuse without it being noticed by officials?

a reply to: quintessentone

The controlled environment comment was about your ridiculous "anonymous" play idea

Not saying it doesn't happen, some are probably good at sneaking by judges with their intimidation.

How many women players sent in letters complaining about it? How many men were complained about?

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

The controlled environment comment was about your ridiculous "anonymous" play idea

Not saying it doesn't happen, some are probably good at sneaking by judges with their intimidation.

How many women players sent in letters complaining about it? How many men were complained about?

It does happen and the face-to-face environment and probably in and around the games is toxic.

Since many young up and coming women players drop out, the numbers will never reflect the true nature of the problem. perhaps the drop out numbers of young women may?

a reply to: quintessentone

So you don't have info/evidence to back up your claim of "evidenced by the woman players sending a letter to the FIDE complaining of sexism and sexual violence"?

I am curious as well as to what "sexual violence" is being done at a chess match, whilst sitting across a table in front of hundreds of people?

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

So you don't have info/evidence to back up your claim of "evidenced by the woman players sending a letter to the FIDE complaining of sexism and sexual violence"?

I am curious as well as to what "sexual violence" is being done at a chess match, whilst sitting across a table in front of hundreds of people?

I posted the letter above somewhere, you can do some treasure hunting on your own, right?

The women did not go into details as they stated just sending the letter was difficult enough. Trauma is as trauma does affecting people's actions or non-actions.

a reply to: quintessentone

Can't view google docs where I am currently.

Care to give some insight on what the letter says or maybe some screenshots for all of us to see.

Self inflicted trauma is a thing as well

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Can't view google docs where I am currently.

Care to give some insight on what the letter says or maybe some screenshots for all of us to see.

Self inflicted trauma is a thing as well

Go to the FIDE site and the letter is there for all to view.

Self inflicted trauma is not self inflicted if one has no recourse for resolution or one's plea for change falls on deaf or biased ears.

a reply to: quintessentone

A link would be great so we are all looking at the same letter and not getting facts mixed up by looking at 5 different things.

Self inflicted trauma is self inflicted when it is one or two people out of 100 that are feeling this way about a certain person.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

A link would be great so we are all looking at the same letter and not getting facts mixed up by looking at 5 different things.

Self inflicted trauma is self inflicted when it is one or two people out of 100 that are feeling this way about a certain person.

On the FIDE site once you easily get to the letter everyone will be viewing the same thing.

Self inflicted trauma can be when 1 person's experience when a male-dominated sport like chess dismisses all sexism and/or sexual violence as being non-existent.

a reply to: quintessentone

Sorry it was so hard for you to say there were 14 signatures and no actual evidence of acts committed.

Allegations are all this is, nothing has been proven. So make sure to come back when you hear more on this and there is actual evidence of what is going on.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Sorry it was so hard for you to say there were 14 signatures and no actual evidence of acts committed.

Allegations are all this is, nothing has been proven. So make sure to come back when you hear more on this and there is actual evidence of what is going on.

It has now grown to more than 50 signatures from women in the chess community around the world.

"We are used to hear and deal with stories told by girls or women, from basic sexism, to harassment, messages, abuses, rapes and we are fed up with this," she says. "We just want to share that enough is enough."

She has her own bad experiences as a chess player.

"Everything from stupid comments about how women are bad at chess and comments about my clothes while playing live with cameras."

www.chess.com...

Even one women suffering sexism and/or sexual harassment/violence is one too many.

a reply to: quintessentone

Not sure where you are getting 50 from.

The site you told me to go to had the letter and was only 14. I think you need to work on some math skills

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Not sure where you are getting 50 from.

The site you told me to go to had the letter and was only 14. I think you need to work on some math skills

Read the article all the facts are there.

And it's 50 and growing.

a reply to: quintessentone

www.fide.com...

Where in this article, does it say 50?

I think you need to brush up on what numbers are what

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

www.fide.com...

Where in this article, does it say 50?

I think you need to brush up on what numbers are what

From the last article I posted...chess.com

Again, one signature is one too many.

a reply to: quintessentone

We have been over this in other threads, allegations are allegations. Nothing has bene proven or brought to light

Not discounting anything from anyone, but until things are proven, what leg do you have to stand on that playing chess face to face between sexes is an issue?

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

We have been over this in other threads, allegations are allegations. Nothing has bene proven or brought to light

Not discounting anything from anyone, but until things are proven, what leg do you have to stand on that playing chess face to face between sexes is an issue?

You were just discounting that 14 signatures weren't enough for you, I upped the ante with 50 and growing, and you still discount their grievances.

a reply to: Terpene

So your question is why fully transitioned men going to keep their women's chess titles. That's not what is happening btw.

Transgender men who won in women's events before transitioning will have their titles abolished. The titles could be renewed if a player detransitions and can "prove the ownership of the respective FIDE ID that holds the title," the federation said.

Transmen are not going to keep their titles of they have won them in the women category.

And the article doesn't say anything about the category they will be competing. They shouldn't compete in the male category as they are women. If they compete in women's chess competitions then there is nothing new as they are women themselves.

So another argument you made which is completely wrong.

a reply to: quintessentone

You can't read can you? See the opening sentence to the second paragraph...smh


You are always one that wants to see how things play out and get after others for drawing conclusions before all of the facts are out, why is this different? Because it goes along with your twisted ideology and echo chamber?

originally posted by: AlienBorg
a reply to: Terpene

So your question is why fully transitioned men going to keep their women's chess titles. That's not what is happening btw.

Transgender men who won in women's events before transitioning will have their titles abolished. The titles could be renewed if a player detransitions and can "prove the ownership of the respective FIDE ID that holds the title," the federation said.

Transmen are not going to keep their titles of they have won them in the women category.

And the article doesn't say anything about the category they will be competing. They shouldn't compete in the male category as they are women. If they compete in women's chess competitions then there is nothing new as they are women themselves.

So another argument you made which is completely wrong.

They are allowed to compete in the open category for now...maybe in two years who knows?