Transgender women banned from sports is one thing. Banned from chess! Now it's getting silly.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

You did ignore this comment, you replied to a previous one, but ignored this one. No worries, we all make mistakes

Whether they require a physical aspect or not is beside the point. A mental/psychological aspect is still present.

Being ranked #1 means absolutely nothing if you accomplished it in a controlled environment. You need challenge to do so and make it count. Having intimidation factors helps develop skills one cannot attain in a room by themselves.

Face to face competition builds you as a player. If you are too weak minded and scared to play against someone that "intimidates you" then maybe you should go find something else to do.

The face-to-face chess tournament environment is not a controlled environment as intimidation tactics are used by players and nobody stops it.

Also as evidenced by the woman players sending a letter to the FIDE complaining of sexism and sexual violence, now how do the other players sneak in that type abuse without it being noticed by officials?

That's not correct but comes clearly out of your mind and imagination.

Sexism or violence have nothing to do with the game itself as explained to you numerous times yesterday where your argument was repeatedly refuted.

No physical contact exists.
Players are not even allowed to talk to each other. Chess is a gentle and polite game and sexism or violence are just allegations that have nothing to do with the game itself and cannot explain the disparity in the performance between men and women.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

You did ignore this comment, you replied to a previous one, but ignored this one. No worries, we all make mistakes

Whether they require a physical aspect or not is beside the point. A mental/psychological aspect is still present.

Being ranked #1 means absolutely nothing if you accomplished it in a controlled environment. You need challenge to do so and make it count. Having intimidation factors helps develop skills one cannot attain in a room by themselves.

Face to face competition builds you as a player. If you are too weak minded and scared to play against someone that "intimidates you" then maybe you should go find something else to do.

The face-to-face chess tournament environment is not a controlled environment as intimidation tactics are used by players and nobody stops it.

Also as evidenced by the woman players sending a letter to the FIDE complaining of sexism and sexual violence, now how do the other players sneak in that type abuse without it being noticed by officials?

That's not correct but comes clearly out of your mind and imagination.

Sexism or violence have nothing to do with the game itself as explained to you numerous times yesterday where your argument was repeatedly refuted.

No physical contact exists.
Players are not even allowed to talk to each other. Chess is a gentle and polite game and sexism or violence are just allegations that have nothing to do with the game itself and cannot explain the disparity in the performance between men and women.

From the women's own experiences, their realities. We shall remain silent no longer.

www.chess.com...

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

The controlled environment comment was about your ridiculous "anonymous" play idea

Not saying it doesn't happen, some are probably good at sneaking by judges with their intimidation.

How many women players sent in letters complaining about it? How many men were complained about?

It does happen and the face-to-face environment and probably in and around the games is toxic.

Since many young up and coming women players drop out, the numbers will never reflect the true nature of the problem. perhaps the drop out numbers of young women may?

This is nonsense and is based in nothing more than your personal but false impression of what chess. It's ridiculous to claim chess is a violent and sexist game because of some allegations that have nothing to do with the game itself.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

You did ignore this comment, you replied to a previous one, but ignored this one. No worries, we all make mistakes

Whether they require a physical aspect or not is beside the point. A mental/psychological aspect is still present.

Being ranked #1 means absolutely nothing if you accomplished it in a controlled environment. You need challenge to do so and make it count. Having intimidation factors helps develop skills one cannot attain in a room by themselves.

Face to face competition builds you as a player. If you are too weak minded and scared to play against someone that "intimidates you" then maybe you should go find something else to do.

The face-to-face chess tournament environment is not a controlled environment as intimidation tactics are used by players and nobody stops it.

Also as evidenced by the woman players sending a letter to the FIDE complaining of sexism and sexual violence, now how do the other players sneak in that type abuse without it being noticed by officials?

That's not correct but comes clearly out of your mind and imagination.

Sexism or violence have nothing to do with the game itself as explained to you numerous times yesterday where your argument was repeatedly refuted.

No physical contact exists.
Players are not even allowed to talk to each other. Chess is a gentle and polite game and sexism or violence are just allegations that have nothing to do with the game itself and cannot explain the disparity in the performance between men and women.

From the women's own experiences, their realities. We shall remain silent no longer.

www.chess.com...

We have discussed this several times and it has nothing to do with the game itself or with the disparity in the performance between men and women. The game itself is not violent or sexist.

I will repeat

No physical contact exists.
Players are not even allowed to talk to each other. Chess is a gentle and polite game and sexism or violence are just allegations that have nothing to do with the game itself and cannot explain the disparity in the performance between men and women.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: paraphi
This entire discussion just exemplifies how barking mad this whole trans stuff is.

How sports organisations and federations are tying themselves in knots, or being tied in knots, by language abuse and bullying by small numbers of people transfixed by an ideology that seeks to force change that directly negatively impacts women i.e., adult human females.

Ultimately, it concerns the unwanted intrusion of men* into events and sports where women want to compete against women. This includes the fact that the vast majority of people agree that a woman is an "adult human female", a fact vehemently opposed by followers of trans ideology who think a woman can be pretty much anything they want it to be.

*men, who some people think are women, thus opening the whole "feelings" versus "facts" debate.

Agree very strongly agree with the entire reply. Since when feelings are above and more important than facts? Men have no place in women's sports and competitions. This is at least understood by a variety of sports and organisations and society seems to have come to its senses although there is more to be done until all sports ban transwomen from female competitions and all transwomen are banned from female only spaces and events.

I believe that chess should not have segregated teams, rather because of mitigating intimidation, sexism and sexual violence factors towards women players and discrimination towards LGBTQ players, all games should be played anonymously and not face-to-face. This will then allow players' true unobstructed performance and skill to shine through, without all the psychological and sociological issues at play when it's face-to-face. There problem solved.

The idea chess is a violent and sexist game is beyond ridiculous...

Men play with men
Women with women

Men are much better in chess than women

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: paraphi
This entire discussion just exemplifies how barking mad this whole trans stuff is.

How sports organisations and federations are tying themselves in knots, or being tied in knots, by language abuse and bullying by small numbers of people transfixed by an ideology that seeks to force change that directly negatively impacts women i.e., adult human females.

Ultimately, it concerns the unwanted intrusion of men* into events and sports where women want to compete against women. This includes the fact that the vast majority of people agree that a woman is an "adult human female", a fact vehemently opposed by followers of trans ideology who think a woman can be pretty much anything they want it to be.

*men, who some people think are women, thus opening the whole "feelings" versus "facts" debate.

Agree very strongly agree with the entire reply. Since when feelings are above and more important than facts? Men have no place in women's sports and competitions. This is at least understood by a variety of sports and organisations and society seems to have come to its senses although there is more to be done until all sports ban transwomen from female competitions and all transwomen are banned from female only spaces and events.

I believe that chess should not have segregated teams, rather because of mitigating intimidation, sexism and sexual violence factors towards women players and discrimination towards LGBTQ players, all games should be played anonymously and not face-to-face. This will then allow players' true unobstructed performance and skill to shine through, without all the psychological and sociological issues at play when it's face-to-face. There problem solved.

The idea chess is a violent and sexist game is beyond ridiculous...

Men play with men
Women with women

Men are much better in chess than women

Not according to the women players, only in your mind.

a reply to: AlienBorg

Transgender men who won in women's events before transitioning will have their titles abolished.

Notice bold? What does that word mean, and why would they put it in there?

These are regulations they have legal value, the words are carefully choosen because they have real live implications.

It's not some pundit news where you can interpret at your own will.

What happens with trans that won titles after transitioning?
Why no word about that? You think they just missed that?

you are aware there are some that have been fully transition and been competing against women as women for long time. You don't even know some were man, and you most likely never will, your alleged bans don't even affect them legally.

But i won't try to change your mind I'm looking forward to the discrimination lawsuits, because someone believed the lies on an online board.

Your way might be more effective for the transphobed than education. Just let then run into the knives...

This here is especially interesting...

Prohibition of the players to participate in the respective country’s chess events in case the player’s request was rejected by a Member Federation and then accepted by FIDE is to be considered and sanctioned as a discriminatory behavior.

Anyone know what it says?

I think it says if FIDE accepts your transition, any chess federation that bars the player from competing in the corresponding category, will be sanctioned for discrimination.

Sounds to me like they are even protecting fully transitioned men and women...

Explain me why I'm interpeting that paragraph wrong?

originally posted by: Terpene
This here is especially interesting...

Prohibition of the players to participate in the respective country’s chess events in case the player’s request was rejected by a Member Federation and then accepted by FIDE is to be considered and sanctioned as a discriminatory behavior.

Anyone know what it says?

I think it says if FIDE accepts your transition, any chess federation that bars the player from competing in the corresponding category, will be sanctioned for discrimination.

Sounds to me like they are even protecting fully transitioned men and women...

Explain me why I'm interpeting that paragraph wrong?

It seems to me, as usual, everyone is confused and do not really know how to handle these types of situations.

a reply to: quintessentone

I think the FIDE regulations are rather well done.

LOL who'd a thunk I'd agree with AlienBorg....

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

Transgender men who won in women's events before transitioning will have their titles abolished.

Notice bold? What does that word mean, and why would they put it in there?

These are regulations they have legal value, the words are carefully choosen because they have real live implications.

It's not some pundit news where you can interpret at your own will.

What happens with trans that won titles after transitioning?
Why no word about that? You think they just missed that?

you are aware there are some that have been fully transition and been competing against women as women for long time. You don't even know some were man, and you most likely never will, your alleged bans don't even affect them legally.

But i won't try to change your mind I'm looking forward to the discrimination lawsuits, because someone believed the lies on an online board.

Your way might be more effective for the transphobed than education. Just let then run into the knives...

A transman in women's sports isn't something extraordinary as it's still a woman. Women taking part in women's competitions. It's the same as a transwoman in men's competitions given they are men.

You were claiming without specifying at all that transmen will get to keep their titles. Something like this will not happen.

So your question is why fully transitioned men going to keep their women's chess titles. Your mistaken ot haven't read the rules at all. You just throwing whatever you think should be correct.

Transgender men who won in women's events before transitioning will have their titles abolished. The titles could be renewed if a player detransitions and can "prove the ownership of the respective FIDE ID that holds the title," the federation said

It doesn't say much (the article) about what happens in case they win titles. Because nobody cares as long as they play and compete in the appropriate category for them.

Transwomen are banned from women's chess competitions and should play in men's competitions (as they are men). If they win nobody cares.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: paraphi
This entire discussion just exemplifies how barking mad this whole trans stuff is.

How sports organisations and federations are tying themselves in knots, or being tied in knots, by language abuse and bullying by small numbers of people transfixed by an ideology that seeks to force change that directly negatively impacts women i.e., adult human females.

Ultimately, it concerns the unwanted intrusion of men* into events and sports where women want to compete against women. This includes the fact that the vast majority of people agree that a woman is an "adult human female", a fact vehemently opposed by followers of trans ideology who think a woman can be pretty much anything they want it to be.

*men, who some people think are women, thus opening the whole "feelings" versus "facts" debate.

Agree very strongly agree with the entire reply. Since when feelings are above and more important than facts? Men have no place in women's sports and competitions. This is at least understood by a variety of sports and organisations and society seems to have come to its senses although there is more to be done until all sports ban transwomen from female competitions and all transwomen are banned from female only spaces and events.

I believe that chess should not have segregated teams, rather because of mitigating intimidation, sexism and sexual violence factors towards women players and discrimination towards LGBTQ players, all games should be played anonymously and not face-to-face. This will then allow players' true unobstructed performance and skill to shine through, without all the psychological and sociological issues at play when it's face-to-face. There problem solved.

The idea chess is a violent and sexist game is beyond ridiculous...

Men play with men
Women with women

Men are much better in chess than women

Not according to the women players, only in your mind.

Allegations against some officials doesn't make chess as a game violent or sexist. It's ridiculous to claim chess is a violent game or a game of harassment and sexism. It has already explained to you by many members here and chess isn't a violent game.

What happens outside of the game had nothing to do with the game itself.

The women players didn't say chess is a violent of sexist game. That's nonsense.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: quintessentone

I think the FIDE regulations are rather well done.

LOL who'd a thunk I'd agree with AlienBorg....

Yes, and they banned transwomen from female chess competitions.

Just as a great number of sports.
There has been no reversals on the bans so far I'm any of the sports that have banned transwomen from female competitions.

a reply to: AlienBorg

Prohibition of the players to participate in the respective country’s chess events in case the player’s request was rejected by a Member Federation and then accepted by FIDE is to be considered and sanctioned as a discriminatory behavior.



Anyone know what it says?

I think it says if FIDE accepts your transition, any chess federation that bars the player from competing in the corresponding category, will be sanctioned for discrimination.

Sounds to me like they are even protecting fully transitioned men and women...

Explain me why I'm interpeting that paragraph straight from the FIDE regulation wrong?

You're on a row, somone surely will believe you, you almost got me convinced, don't stop now.....

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

Prohibition of the players to participate in the respective country’s chess events in case the player’s request was rejected by a Member Federation and then accepted by FIDE is to be considered and sanctioned as a discriminatory behavior.



Anyone know what it says?

I think it says if FIDE accepts your transition, any chess federation that bars the player from competing in the corresponding category, will be sanctioned for discrimination.

Sounds to me like they are even protecting fully transitioned men and women...

Explain me why I'm interpeting that paragraph straight from the FIDE regulation wrong?

You're on a row, somone surely will believe you, you almost got me convinced, don't stop now.....

You're still in a denial over the decision made to ban transwomen from female chess competitions.

It's discriminatory to include men in women's sports in the first place.

You don't get to choose your gender and you don't get to choose the category you participate. There is a reason female sports exist and this so males won't participate that will make sports very unfair for them. Transwomen are not adult human females, they are men.

a reply to: AlienBorg

FIDE disagrees with your delusions....

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

FIDE disagrees with your delusions....

World chess body bans transgender women from women's tournaments The International Chess Federation will stop allowing transgender women to participate in women's tournaments.

It disagrees with the delusions of the trans lobby

a reply to: AlienBorg

This is an original paragraph from the regulation. Not some pundit news title like yours.

Prohibition of the players to participate in the respective country’s chess events in case the player’s request was rejected by a Member Federation and then accepted by FIDE is to be considered and sanctioned as a discriminatory behavior.


Do you understand what it says?

It says if FIDE accepts your transition any other chess federation that bars the player from competing will be sanctioned.

It means if you are a man and you transition to a women and FIDE accepts that any other federation that doesn't let him compete in women's category will be sanctioned...

Let that sink in... Or tell me why my interpretation of that paragraph is wrong.

Or do you just want to keep lying to yourself and others?

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

This is an original paragraph from the regulation. Not some pundit news title like yours.

Prohibition of the players to participate in the respective country’s chess events in case the player’s request was rejected by a Member Federation and then accepted by FIDE is to be considered and sanctioned as a discriminatory behavior.


Do you understand what it says?

It says if FIDE accepts your transition any other chess federation that bars the player from competing will be sanctioned.

It means if you are a man and you transition to a women and FIDE accepts that any other federation that doesn't let him compete in women's category will be sanctioned...

Let that sink in... Or tell me why my interpretation of that paragraph is wrong.

Or do you just want to keep lying to yourself and others?

.
When the chess federation has banned transwomen from female competitions it's a little odd they will talk about 'discrimination' of individual chess member countries that have done the same thing.

In reality there is no discrimination just because you quoted a paragraph from the link. The chess federation doesn't get to determine what discrimination is. Discrimination has to be proved in the court and anyone who think they're 'discriminated' because they are barred from taking part in the opposite gender sports and events can go to the courts.

But the laws are not on the side of transgender athletes. Many states have legislated to ban transwomen from female sports at a school and college level. The law protects women from unfairness and discrimination. Many sports have banned transwomen from female competitions. There is not a single case against them for 'discrimination', as there is none.

You don't have the right to participate in female sports because you chose to identify as a woman. There is no such right.

www.nbcnews.com...

The international governing body of competitive chess is effectively banning transgender women from competing and stripping trans men of previously won women’s titles.

Clearly this isn't some sort of pundit news.

a reply to: AlienBorg

LOL NBC isn't pundit. keep telling that to yourself. You can't elaborate in your own words and keep being a mouthpiece.

The relevant part isn't some dumbed down title from nbc, its the actual regulation.
The stuff I quote are facts, yours just fantasies. Now we can talk about what the facts imply and fantasies there but not about already fantastic claims not rooted in reality. That's for those who like echo chambers and want to dumb themselfs down.

No matter the lies you try to spin, FIDE accepts fully transitioned people to play in the category they transitioned to.

Once they accept the change from men to women or vice versa, any chess Federation banning the player for beeing trans will be sanctioned.

It sounds like protection and legal grounds to actually go against transphobes.

You don't understand the regulations?
Or do you just like to lie for all to see?