Transgender women banned from sports is one thing. Banned from chess! Now it's getting silly.

a reply to: AlienBorg

You keep on posting women's rankings within women's only chess tournaments. The discussion has evolved beyond women playing women and men playing men. It's irrelevant within the broader psychological scheme of things within this game and is wrought with disadvantages women had to face in chess throughout history.

Maybe the upcoming generations of women are smarter, in that, they are not buying in the stereotypical BS which keeps them holding back in the game of chess.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

All transwomen are banned from the above female sporting competitions. Not those who dress like women but everyone who is on drugs, blockers, hormones or has gone through surgeries.

You are not mistaken, but once they become legal women they can't be banned anymore...

Where are the regulatory texts that proof your idea of what those bans mean.
They exist, and the wording therein will show you that chromosomes and biology is not a factor that is considered.

All transwomen have been banned from these sports. Even if there are laws recognising on paper a preferred gender, sports regulations involve biological sex and not someone's false perception of reality. In fact laws in many states bar transgender athletes from competing in female sports in schools and colleges. The law is on the side of biological sex and not preferred identity.

a reply to: AlienBorg

Proof it... How is it worded, you have a link to one of those regulatories?

Or you just going to keep lying trough your teeth...

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

Proof it... How is it worded, you have a link to one of those regulatories?

Or you just going to keep lying trough your teeth...

I have nothing to prove.
Just see the regulations of all the governing bodies of the sports mentioned. It's clear what they say.

Transwomen are now banned from female competitions.

Unless you don't understand English...

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

All transwomen are banned from the above female sporting competitions. Not those who dress like women but everyone who is on drugs, blockers, hormones or has gone through surgeries.

You are not mistaken, but once they become legal women they can't be banned anymore...

Where are the regulatory texts that proof your idea of what those bans mean.
They exist, and the wording therein will show you that chromosomes and biology is not a factor that is considered.

All transwomen have been banned from these sports. Even if there are laws recognising on paper a preferred gender, sports regulations involve biological sex and not someone's false perception of reality. In fact laws in many states bar transgender athletes from competing in female sports in schools and colleges. The law is on the side of biological sex and not preferred identity.

It is a temporary ban until they get the science to back up their 'feelz'.

"What is still not clear is if the hormonal levels do influence the competitiveness in chess," Reizniece-Ozola said by video from Latvia's capital, Riga. "There is no serious research or scientific analysis that would prove one or the other way. There are speculations, but no more than that."

www.cbc.ca...

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: AlienBorg

You keep on posting women's rankings within women's only chess tournaments. The discussion has evolved beyond women playing women and men playing men. It's irrelevant within the broader psychological scheme of things within this game and is wrought with disadvantages women had to face in chess throughout history.

Maybe the upcoming generations of women are smarter, in that, they are not buying in the stereotypical BS which keeps them holding back in the game of chess.

No this isn't true. The best ranking female chess player is ranked 89th in the world. That's among all players of both genders. So you see the great discrepancy and gap in abilities.

The world champion in the female category is ranked 404th worldwide among all players kg both genders at an international level.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

All transwomen are banned from the above female sporting competitions. Not those who dress like women but everyone who is on drugs, blockers, hormones or has gone through surgeries.

You are not mistaken, but once they become legal women they can't be banned anymore...

Where are the regulatory texts that proof your idea of what those bans mean.
They exist, and the wording therein will show you that chromosomes and biology is not a factor that is considered.

All transwomen have been banned from these sports. Even if there are laws recognising on paper a preferred gender, sports regulations involve biological sex and not someone's false perception of reality. In fact laws in many states bar transgender athletes from competing in female sports in schools and colleges. The law is on the side of biological sex and not preferred identity.

It is a temporary ban until they get the science to back up their 'feelz'.

"What is still not clear is if the hormonal levels do influence the competitiveness in chess," Reizniece-Ozola said by video from Latvia's capital, Riga. "There is no serious research or scientific analysis that would prove one or the other way. There are speculations, but no more than that."

www.cbc.ca...

You may want this to be temporary but one ban after the other in a range of sports doesn't seem like a temporary move.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: AlienBorg

You keep on posting women's rankings within women's only chess tournaments. The discussion has evolved beyond women playing women and men playing men. It's irrelevant within the broader psychological scheme of things within this game and is wrought with disadvantages women had to face in chess throughout history.

Maybe the upcoming generations of women are smarter, in that, they are not buying in the stereotypical BS which keeps them holding back in the game of chess.

No this isn't true. The best ranking female chess player is ranked 89th in the world. That's among all players of both genders. So you see the great discrepancy and gap in abilities.

The world champion in the female category is ranked 404th worldwide among all players kg both genders at an international level.

Then it's her attitude and skill that got her there but that does not negate my initial stance that psychological factors play a role and in her case and I'd like to see her rankings against all types of players, including transgendered people, from games that are played anonymously. How far would she rise to the top do you think?

Hou Yufan's attitude:

"I play chess for myself, no one else."

a reply to: AlienBorg

Just more lies without any source, why am I not surprised...

Just show the relevant passages that prove your twisted fantasy.

It can't be so hard, apparently you read them, sorry if i don't take your word for it, you have shown to net be very save with reading comprehension... So please do your own credibility a favor.....

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

All transwomen are banned from the above female sporting competitions. Not those who dress like women but everyone who is on drugs, blockers, hormones or has gone through surgeries.

You are not mistaken, but once they become legal women they can't be banned anymore...

Where are the regulatory texts that proof your idea of what those bans mean.
They exist, and the wording therein will show you that chromosomes and biology is not a factor that is considered.

All transwomen have been banned from these sports. Even if there are laws recognising on paper a preferred gender, sports regulations involve biological sex and not someone's false perception of reality. In fact laws in many states bar transgender athletes from competing in female sports in schools and colleges. The law is on the side of biological sex and not preferred identity.

It is a temporary ban until they get the science to back up their 'feelz'.

"What is still not clear is if the hormonal levels do influence the competitiveness in chess," Reizniece-Ozola said by video from Latvia's capital, Riga. "There is no serious research or scientific analysis that would prove one or the other way. There are speculations, but no more than that."

www.cbc.ca...

You may want this to be temporary but one ban after the other in a range of sports doesn't seem like a temporary move.

We aren't taking about other sports, we are discussing chess and this temporary ban because they really don't know what they are doing because there isn't any science or studies to back up their 'feelz'.

a reply to: quintessentone

In its policy decision, FIDE also said that trans men who had won women's titles before transitioning would see their titles abolished.

Does that imply they keep their titles if they transitioned before winning it?
i think by that logic they will be able to keep competing against women when fully transitioned.

I could be wrong, that's why I'd really like to see those that make grand claims about trans bans, actually showing the paragraphs that regulate it.
Still NOTHING

because otherwise it's just words that amount to noting...

In the worst case they get a few phobes feeling entitled enough to slander competition over such issues.
Just Imagine that to be the actual agenda here...

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

Just more lies without any source, why am I not surprised...

Just show the relevant passages that prove your twisted fantasy.

It can't be so hard, apparently you read them, sorry if i don't take your word for it, you have shown to net be very save with reading comprehension... So please do your own credibility a favor.....

What source?
This isn't news btw.
The bans have taken place over a number of years and you are very late in asking for proof trying to divert the conversation.

You need to get to terms with the bans as they are real.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: quintessentone

In its policy decision, FIDE also said that trans men who had won women's titles before transitioning would see their titles abolished.

Does that imply they keep their titles if they transitioned before winning it?
i think by that logic they will be able to keep competing against women when fully transitioned.

I could be wrong, that's why I'd really like to see those that make grand claims about trans bans, actually showing the paragraphs that regulate it.
Still NOTHING

because otherwise it's just words that amount to noting...

In the worst case they get a few phobes feeling entitled enough to slander competition over such issues.
Just Imagine that to be the actual agenda here...

Unless you deny facts and the news or you don't understand English then you will be able to see a range of sports have banned transwomen from female competitions. It's not a secret and it doesn't help your already refuted arguments.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

All transwomen are banned from the above female sporting competitions. Not those who dress like women but everyone who is on drugs, blockers, hormones or has gone through surgeries.

You are not mistaken, but once they become legal women they can't be banned anymore...

Where are the regulatory texts that proof your idea of what those bans mean.
They exist, and the wording therein will show you that chromosomes and biology is not a factor that is considered.

All transwomen have been banned from these sports. Even if there are laws recognising on paper a preferred gender, sports regulations involve biological sex and not someone's false perception of reality. In fact laws in many states bar transgender athletes from competing in female sports in schools and colleges. The law is on the side of biological sex and not preferred identity.

It is a temporary ban until they get the science to back up their 'feelz'.

"What is still not clear is if the hormonal levels do influence the competitiveness in chess," Reizniece-Ozola said by video from Latvia's capital, Riga. "There is no serious research or scientific analysis that would prove one or the other way. There are speculations, but no more than that."

www.cbc.ca...

You may want this to be temporary but one ban after the other in a range of sports doesn't seem like a temporary move.

We aren't taking about other sports, we are discussing chess and this temporary ban because they really don't know what they are doing because there isn't any science or studies to back up their 'feelz'.

It's very clear this is a ban just like all other bans in transwomen.

There is no evidence they will reverse this ban in the future just as there is no evidence the ban will be reversed in all other sports that have banned transwomen over the last 2-3 years.

a reply to: Terpene


www.npr.org...

Rugby, swimming, track and field — transgender women have been banned from international women's events in a growing number of sports. The latest to make that list is chess.

The International Chess Federation, known as FIDE, will effectively stop allowing transgender women from participating in women's competitions until "further analysis" can be made — which could take up to two years.

The organization will also remove some titles won by players who won in women's categories and later transitioned to male. It will also remove some titles won by transgender men. The new policies are slated to go into effect on Monday.

The ban we were talking about.

a reply to: AlienBorg

You just keep lying, it's incredible any serious discussion board would let such techniques go on and on and on...


You need to bring proof for such statements. Like conclusive proof, such that holds before a judge, like the actual regulatory text youll find them on the corresponding homepages.
otherwise it really is just some phantasy what you claim those bans imply...

If you are so sure I guess you won't have a hard time finding quotes that proove your claims then?

otherwise it's just words that amount to noting...

In the worst case they get a few phobes feeling entitled enough to slander competition over such issues.
Just Imagine that to be the actual agenda here...

This becomes a more probable scenario, with every word you utter, that isn't a quote out of those regulatories.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

You just keep lying, it's incredible any serious discussion board would let such techniques go on and on and on...


You need to bring proof for such statements. Like conclusive proof, such that holds before a judge, like the actual regulatory text youll find them on the corresponding homepages.
otherwise it really is just some phantasy what you claim those bans imply...

If you are so sure I guess you won't have a hard time finding quotes that proove your claims then?

otherwise it's just words that amount to noting...

In the worst case they get a few phobes feeling entitled enough to slander competition over such issues.
Just Imagine that to be the actual agenda here...

This becomes a more probable scenario, with every word you utter, that isn't a quote out of those regulatories.

It doesn't matter what tit think or whether you decide to deny the reality on the bans transwomen have seen in a number of sports and competitions. This is a thread about chess banning transwomen from female chess competitions. If you claim anyone is lying then you need to take a closer look when you lie to yourself by making a number of strawman arguments, denying reality, asking 'proof' and even denying the fact that transwomen have been banned even from chess.

I think you're wasting your time in these threads.

a reply to: Terpene

No matter what you're claiming transwomen have been banned from female chess competitions.

apnews.com...

World chess federation bars transgender women from competing in women’s events




www.npr.org...

Rugby, swimming, track and field — transgender women have been banned from international women's events in a growing number of sports. The latest to make that list is chess.

The International Chess Federation, known as FIDE, will effectively stop allowing transgender women from participating in women's competitions until "further analysis" can be made — which could take up to two years.

The organization will also remove some titles won by players who won in women's categories and later transitioned to male. It will also remove some titles won by transgender men. The new policies are slated to go into effect on Monday.

There is no point denying facts or getting your posts removed after you loose your patience. Transwomen are men and men have no place in female sports and female competitions, even chess has had enough of this and has done what every sport and competition should do and this is to bar transwomen from female competitions and events. Even if it's a beauty competition, men have no place in them despite the cosmetic surgeries and removal of body parts.

a reply to: AlienBorg

Can you read your second links title?

Where is that ban you speak off?

Here I'll quote it for you...

World chess just placed restrictions on both trans women and trans men

Bold mine.
restrictions are no ban, words have meaning...

How do those restrictions look like in specific?

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

Can you read your second links title?

Where is that ban you speak off?

Here I'll quote it for you...

World chess just placed restrictions on both trans women and trans men

Bold mine.
restrictions are no ban, words have meaning...

How do those restrictions look like in specific?

Yes I can, that's why I gave you several links saying transwomen have been banned from female chess competitions. It's not so difficult to accept. The main theme is

World chess federation bars transgender women from competing in women’s events

apnews.com...

Associate Press


It's all over the news and there is no point trying to deny it or going off topic. It has happened and pretty much every sport and competition is going to ban men from women's sports and competitions. Try not to loose your temper and patience.