Transgender women banned from sports is one thing. Banned from chess! Now it's getting silly.

a reply to: AlienBorg

You're clear.

The prize money in the women's competition will go to a woman. A victory for women, perhaps, but only in stopping unwanted intrusion into their spaces. A defeat for men trying to get involved in women's events, most definitely.

Men, go play with men.

"... but, but men are women"! Give it a rest. You're all frauds and parodies.

a reply to: AlienBorg

So in your fantasie world restrictions are bans?

I'm glad we have that settled, you still fail on every front to procure evidence for those claims.

and no some pundit new is no proof, not on ATS. This might be enough in a little echo chamber where you go off on a circle jerk necause you misunderstood what a pundit newsarticle said. This is a serious discussion board, not a place for your fantasies.

We know you are lying just by not providing the regulatory texts of those association that have added trans to protect them and others.

Again restrictions are no ban.

Wake up from your hate-filled dream. Trans is being accepted and hence legal text are being adapted making it clear what flavor of trans women can compete against biological women and what not.

Restrictions are no ban.

a reply to: paraphi

Another one who thinks his fears overrule legal status.

Legal women will be hard to ban no matter their chromosomes...

originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: AlienBorg

You're clear.

The prize money in the women's competition will go to a woman. A victory for women, perhaps, but only in stopping unwanted intrusion into their spaces. A defeat for men trying to get involved in women's events, most definitely.

Men, go play with men.

"... but, but men are women"! Give it a rest. You're all frauds and parodies.

It's a victory for woman, that's for sure.
But there have been many victories in the past 2-3 years when transwomen were banned from a number of sports from taking part in female competitions.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

So in your fantasie world restrictions are bans?

I'm glad we have that settled, you still fail on every front to procure evidence for those claims.

and no some pundit new is no proof, not on ATS. This might be enough in a little echo chamber where you go off on a circle jerk necause you misunderstood what a pundit newsarticle said. This is a serious discussion board, not a place for your fantasies.

We know you are lying just by not providing the regulatory texts of those association that have added trans to protect them and others.

Again restrictions are no ban.

Wake up from your hate-filled dream. Trans is being accepted and hence legal text are being adapted making it clear what flavor of trans women can compete against biological women and what not.

Restrictions are no ban.

A number of sports have banned transwomen from participating in female competitions. There is no such a thing as a fully transitioned person biologically speaking.

The bans are real and are for what they call 'transwomen'. These are factual and you're late in the conversations asking for proof on the bans. You're late by 2-3 years. Perhaps you can write to the governing bodies of these sports asking them to reverse the bans...

Chess has banned transwomen from female competitions.

British rowing has banned transwomen from female competitions.

World athletics has banned transwomen from female competitions

UK athletics has banned transwomen from female competitions

Swimming has banned transwomen from female competitions

British cycling has has banned transwomen from female competitions

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: paraphi

Another one who thinks his fears overrule legal status.

Legal women will be hard to ban no matter their chromosomes...

You're making things so bad for your case.
You have no arguments and now are trying to deny even the most basic facts, the bans on transgender women in various sports and competitions.

If you have realised it, it's only you who tries on this thread to cast doubt on reality and facts.


apnews.com...

World chess federation bars transgender women from competing in women’s events


www.npr.org...#:~:text=World%20chess%20body%20bans%20transgender%20women%20from%20women's%2 0tournaments%20The,impact%22%20on%20a%20player's%20status.

Rugby, swimming, track and field — transgender women have been banned from international women's events in a growing number of sports. The latest to make that list is chess.

The International Chess Federation, known as FIDE, will effectively stop allowing transgender women from participating in women's competitions until "further analysis" can be made — which could take up to two years.

The organization will also remove some titles won by players who won in women's categories and later transitioned to male. It will also remove some titles won by transgender men. The new policies are slated to go into effect on Monday.

a reply to: AlienBorg

good we agree!!!
Legal women will compete against legal women no matter their chromosomes, that's what these "ban" say, contrary to how you present them.

if you disagree, you'd have to show the wording that proofs your fantasies to be an applicable law...

we know you can't!

originally posted by: Terpene
So in your fantasie world restrictions are bans?

I think we are getting overly confused with the word "ban".

Sports are increasingly finding the (er) balls, to clarify that people who have gone through male puberty (i.e. men) are not able to compete in sports and events that are offered exclusively to women. That they are "banned". In the case of the World Chess, look to FIDE temporary ban on trans while they work it through, where you'll find the rationale and news etc.

I know there is a propensity for people to invent new word meanings, but use a dictionary? I don't think the meaning of the word "ban" has changes, but maybe some people have added a new meaning, and I am not looking in the right echo chamber.

Wake up from your hate-filled dream.

It's so disappointing to see grown adults (assume you are) throwing the "hate" word around. It's a tendency of this debate for those who believe in trans ideology to cast any dissenters as "transphobes" and people who "hate". This is such a backward thought process, and a way to stifle debate. It's such a cowardly way to operate - a bully-boy tactic.

Have you no powers of persuasion other than to chuck the "hate" insult?

In your own words, and concisely. Why should men be allowed to complete, or be included in events, that have been set up exclusively for women? Keep it with the chess topic if you like.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

good we agree!!!
Legal women will compete against legal women no matter their chromosomes, that's what these "ban" say, contrary to how you present them.

if you disagree, you'd have to show the wording that proofs your fantasies to be an applicable law...

we know you can't!

What legal women?

Transwomen have been banned from various sports and competitions even if the laws recognise them as 'legal women'. You live in a denial I am afraid.

The laws can't force the sports to accept transwomen in female competitions. It's up to the governing bodies to decide and they have decided in a number of sports to ban them.

Equally important is the fact the laws are not on the side of transwomen in many states as transgender athletes have been banned from school and college competitions.

An example

Alabama bans collegiate transgender athletes from female sports teams. Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey on Tuesday signed legislation that will ban transgender women from playing on female sports teams in college, becoming the latest state to place restrictions on transgender athletes.30 May 2023

www.cbsnews.com...

That's just another massive blow to the trans agenda and ideology. The laws forbid transgender athletes from taking part in female competitions in at least 20 states. That is contrary to what you're trying to say which is 'legal women' can participate in female competitions.

What happened to the linguistic exercise? Did you now drop the term 'transwomen' and replaced it with 'legal women'. You understand how ridiculous that sounds?

a reply to: paraphi


There is a new trend now but only seen by the other member. To call transwomen as legal women and dropping the term transwomen altogether as part of the linguistic movement. But most importantly casting doubt on a number of bans transwomen have seen over the last 2-3 years. It's the same as denying reality and facts.

originally posted by: Terpene
I do, try to address the relevant points, or can you only go on about your victimhood when the hate filled rhetoric is called out?

My point is proved. When unable to debate or recognise the shakiness of your position, you accuse my position as "hate filled" as a way to stop further discussion. Could it be that you don't have a persuasive point?

I say again. In your own words... Why should men be able to force themselves into events exclusively set up for women?

a reply to: paraphi


Because those are legal definitions and men can become legal women.

just read the actual regulatories, and show me where it says XX is banned from competing against XY.

You can't because you want this to be something it isn't.

a reply to: paraphi

why do we live in a law and order society?
why do documents have gender?
why is there a trans section?
and why can man become legal women?

because that's the truth of it, once you transitioned and are registered as man or women in your documents, that's what you legally are, you no longer are trans.

Sorry to burst your bubble, that's the truth even FIDE acknowledges, unless this transition happens during you being registered at FIDE you will play in the category your documents say.

only when you start competing as one and then want to change, things will be restricted.

you start as a man born, legal women, you'll compete against other legal women's.

you should really read the regulatories in order to not look dumb on this one...

originally posted by: Terpene
Because those are legal definitions and men can become legal women.

OK, I recognise you are not going to answer my previous question about why men should be allowed to force themselves into women's competitions and events. So I'll ask another question, as the above.

What is your definition of a legal woman? What do you actually mean by these words? What legal jurisdiction are you thinking about here? In your own words, and concisely, please.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: paraphi


Because those are legal definitions and men can become legal women.

just read the actual regulatories, and show me where it says XX is banned from competing against XY.

You can't because you want this to be something it isn't.

It's pretty much everywhere in the sports that have banned transwomen from female competitions.

Transwomen are biological males (men in a few words). So XY individuals are banned from XX competitions. In reality XY individuals are not allowed in female competitions in the first place and that's why we have male and female categories in sports.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: paraphi

why do we live in a law and order society?
why do documents have gender?
why is there a trans section?
and why can man become legal women?

because that's the truth of it, once you transitioned and are registered as man or women in your documents, that's what you legally are, you no longer are trans.

Sorry to burst your bubble, that's the truth even FIDE acknowledges, unless this transition happens during you being registered at FIDE you will play in the category your documents say.

only when you start competing as one and then want to change, things will be restricted.

you start as a man born, legal women, you'll compete against other legal women's.

you should really read the regulatories in order to not look dumb on this one...

If you're but a man you will always be a man.

Legal woman is a bizarre new attempt to make discussions about transwomen.

Even more bizarre is the starting point, a little after birth or maybe before birth... 'Transition' at the earliest possible stage or no need for any 'transition' just declaration of being a legal woman.

Biological sex is determined by chromosomes only not by laws. You need to come to terms with this.

Don't forget chess has banned transwomen from chess female competitions. The latest blow to this bizarre ideology. No men are allowed in most of women's sports. As time passes there would be no men in any sports.

Those who try to make their way in female sports being XY are caught and banned.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Terpene
Because those are legal definitions and men can become legal women.

OK, I recognise you are not going to answer my previous question about why men should be allowed to force themselves into women's competitions and events. So I'll ask another question, as the above.

What is your definition of a legal woman? What do you actually mean by these words? What legal jurisdiction are you thinking about here? In your own words, and concisely, please.

It's another way the trans lobby found to go around the 'transwoman' term. Transwoman is also a complete fabrication as no humans can ever physically transition. The correct term is transvestites which we all know what they are and they have never asked for recognition or made crazy demands. Nobody cared at that time.

Now the term transwoman has been dropped and legal woman is used. Very absurd I would say. But the sports and governing bodies and everyone else is still using the transwoman term.

It's so bizarre that he suggests men are born legal women...

a reply to: Terpene

It’s laughable that you have the audacity to question my intelligence.

Keep tying yourself in knots and denying reality.

I’ve had enough of you.

a reply to: AlienBorg

Wrong, you're totaly wrong with that assumption.

seems like you need to go and study what the FIDE actually says in its regulatory, your words that have been shown to be lies don't cut it anymore...

Then you show me the quote from the FIDE regulatory that proofs your fantasy.

That or you've been thoroughly debunked....