LGBTQ Pride Storybooks in Maryland Public Schools - the battle of national interest

originally posted by: Annee
I support inclusion and the right of kids to discover who they are in a safe environment.

Which this thread is actually about.

It's about 20 LGBTQ propaganda books being taught in K-5 grades and about 100 families who disagree with those books and dont want them taught to their kids, but their wanting to OPT OUT is not being allowed. Those books are not kids 'discovering who they are'. They are left wing propaganda and anti-science.

originally posted by: Annee

I have no interest in detrans — which has nothing to do with the thread subject.

Actually it DOES have to do with the thread subject. Some of the propaganda that is being foisted off on the K-5 graders are TRANS books and about becoming TRANS. So yes, threads about people regretting transitioning in youth are absolutely on topic and it goes to back up the 100 families who dont want TRANS taught to their children.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Let's all have empathy for the LGBTQ community, and support our youth who may be experiencing gender dysphoria or sexual confusion. But let's do it without rushing to gender affirmation care, let's do it without blurring definitions, and let's especially do it without sexualization.

Herein lies the crux of the issue.

How can transgendered children in a school or other setting be supported when the learning materials that will actually teach them and others and lend some support to them in this specific issue be banned?

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Let's all have empathy for the LGBTQ community, and support our youth who may be experiencing gender dysphoria or sexual confusion. But let's do it without rushing to gender affirmation care, let's do it without blurring definitions, and let's especially do it without sexualization.

Herein lies the crux of the issue.

How can transgendered children in a school or other setting be supported when the learning materials that will actually teach them and others and lend some support to them in this specific issue be banned?

There are no transgender children.

These are confused children who have been this way because of the delusions of adults that are pushed on them.

originally posted by: FlyersFan2

originally posted by: Annee
I support inclusion and the right of kids to discover who they are in a safe environment.

Which this thread is actually about.

It's about 20 LGBTQ propaganda books being taught in K-5 grades and about 100 families who disagree with those books and dont want them taught to their kids, but their wanting to OPT OUT is not being allowed. Those books are not kids 'discovering who they are'. They are left wing propaganda and anti-science.

Exactly!

originally posted by: FlyersFan2

originally posted by: Annee

I have no interest in detrans — which has nothing to do with the thread subject.

Actually it DOES have to do with the thread subject. Some of the propaganda that is being foisted off on the K-5 graders are TRANS books and about becoming TRANS. So yes, threads about people regretting transitioning in youth are absolutely on topic and it goes to back up the 100 families who dont want TRANS taught to their children.

No reasonable parent wants their children to be taught by gender ideologues and trans activists. Political indoctrination is illegal and has no place in schools.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Let's all have empathy for the LGBTQ community, and support our youth who may be experiencing gender dysphoria or sexual confusion. But let's do it without rushing to gender affirmation care, let's do it without blurring definitions, and let's especially do it without sexualization.

Herein lies the crux of the issue.

How can transgendered children in a school or other setting be supported when the learning materials that will actually teach them and others and lend some support to them in this specific issue be banned?

There are no transgender children.

These are confused children who have been this way because of the delusions of adults that are pushed on them.

It's been studied for decades, girls wanting to be boys was and still is a thing, call it what you will, but whatever that is it needs to be better understood. The experts call it 'normal' and it could be a questioning phase of development or something else. Don't dismiss possibilities and science because we all need to keep an open mind for the sake of children's mental and physical health - whatever old or new phases of psychological and physical development they may go through.

originally posted by: FlyersFan2

originally posted by: Annee
I support inclusion and the right of kids to discover who they are in a safe environment.

Which this thread is actually about.

It's about 20 LGBTQ propaganda books being taught in K-5 grades and about 100 families who disagree with those books and dont want them taught to their kids, but their wanting to OPT OUT is not being allowed. Those books are not kids 'discovering who they are'. They are left wing propaganda and anti-science.

Of course any parent can opt their child out of inclusivity and diversity studies, but it won't look good and if the child is left to the bias' of the parents then that child will eventually have many missteps in their socialization with others.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Let's all have empathy for the LGBTQ community, and support our youth who may be experiencing gender dysphoria or sexual confusion. But let's do it without rushing to gender affirmation care, let's do it without blurring definitions, and let's especially do it without sexualization.

Herein lies the crux of the issue.

How can transgendered children in a school or other setting be supported when the learning materials that will actually teach them and others and lend some support to them in this specific issue be banned?

There are no transgender children.

These are confused children who have been this way because of the delusions of adults that are pushed on them.

It's been studied for decades, girls wanting to be boys was and still is a thing, call it what you will, but whatever that is it needs to be better understood. The experts call it 'normal' and it could be a questioning phase of development or something else. Don't dismiss possibilities and science because we all need to keep an open mind for the sake of children's mental and physical health - whatever old or new phases of psychological and physical development they may go through.

What are you talking about?!
What 'experts' and 'scientists' ??
You mean the radical left wing and trans activists?! What part of 'science' is this??

Clearly there are no transgender kids. Transgenderism is an adult delusion.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Let's all have empathy for the LGBTQ community, and support our youth who may be experiencing gender dysphoria or sexual confusion. But let's do it without rushing to gender affirmation care, let's do it without blurring definitions, and let's especially do it without sexualization.

Herein lies the crux of the issue.

How can transgendered children in a school or other setting be supported when the learning materials that will actually teach them and others and lend some support to them in this specific issue be banned?

There are no transgender children.

These are confused children who have been this way because of the delusions of adults that are pushed on them.

It's been studied for decades, girls wanting to be boys was and still is a thing, call it what you will, but whatever that is it needs to be better understood. The experts call it 'normal' and it could be a questioning phase of development or something else. Don't dismiss possibilities and science because we all need to keep an open mind for the sake of children's mental and physical health - whatever old or new phases of psychological and physical development they may go through.

I knew a few girls back in grade school that were tom boys. Played with the boys, did boy stuff. As they grew older and pass puberty they became more "girly". Today the couple I still are in contact with are married with kids. Same with my male cousin that was fem.

They did not have any teachers or "counselors" telling them that they are trans or some other gender. They were allowed to develop mentally and physically on their own. If they would have been grown up in today's school system, they would have been told they were the wrong gender.

a reply to: NotMEMaybeU

You missed the point I am trying to make, those girls that wanted to be boys had nobody understanding this phenomenon nor any educational materials explaining it, to support them so they didn't feel weird.

I can tell you I was a tomboy and the adult males in my orbit kept trying to steer me to more girly activities, which I found to be very boring. So, the school and general social system has it's way of intervening in children's natural tendencies to what the indoctrinated adults deem gender appropriate.

originally posted by: quintessentone
How can transgendered children in a school or other setting be supported when the learning materials that will actually teach them and others and lend some support to them in this specific issue be banned?

Easy ... don't teach LGBTQ at all. It's unnecessary.
They can be supported just fine without the indoctrination.

originally posted by: quintessentone
Of course any parent can opt their child out of inclusivity and diversity studies,

1 - No they can't opt out. That's the whole point of the opening post. The 100 families want to opt out of having their children indoctrinated but the school system is not allowing it.

2 - It's not 'inclusivity and diversity studies'. It's left wing propaganda and antiscience TRANS indoctrination.

but it won't look good and if the child is left to the bias' of the parents

It's not 'parents bias'. It's parents not allowing left wing indoctrination.
It's the SCHOOL that has the bias, not the parents.

then that child will eventually have many missteps in their socialization with others.

Nope.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Let's all have empathy for the LGBTQ community, and support our youth who may be experiencing gender dysphoria or sexual confusion. But let's do it without rushing to gender affirmation care, let's do it without blurring definitions, and let's especially do it without sexualization.

Herein lies the crux of the issue.

How can transgendered children in a school or other setting be supported when the learning materials that will actually teach them and others and lend some support to them in this specific issue be banned?

There are no transgender children.

These are confused children who have been this way because of the delusions of adults that are pushed on them.

It's been studied for decades, girls wanting to be boys was and still is a thing, call it what you will, but whatever that is it needs to be better understood. The experts call it 'normal' and it could be a questioning phase of development or something else. Don't dismiss possibilities and science because we all need to keep an open mind for the sake of children's mental and physical health - whatever old or new phases of psychological and physical development they may go through.

the thing is I was caught up in this in the 90s my abuse caused the kind of damage the professionals said meant i wanted to be a boy, but that sex stereotyping is deeply misogynistic and rests on Victorian stereotypes, its easy to say, hey they want to be a boy, pump them full of drugs and lop off their boobs.

the thing is these things are known external displays of abus, baggy clothing, disguising their sex to be less atrractive, hating their bodies, these are signs of abuse and you risk advocating for and defending the abuse of abuse victims for no real gain, like many i know I've past through that as my tomboy wife has too.. we know who we are and what our sex is.. we also know if born today we'd have been out on the conveyor belt as in other ages that would have meant being locked in asymlums or the more recent fashionable lobotomy..

this is why you'll end up fighting lesbians gays and really do risk being seen as grooming kids..

the professionals know kids are different and how best to help them, some are autistic, many are abuse victims, many are proto gays and lesbians , some are just tomboys or effeminate boys so embracing Victorian sex stereotypes is no different to want Iran does to homosexuals males.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: NotMEMaybeU

You missed the point I am trying to make, those girls that wanted to be boys had nobody understanding this phenomenon nor any educational materials explaining it, to support them so they didn't feel weird.

Those girls did not want to be boys, they liked doing boy things. The "adults" today do not seem to understand the difference.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
How can transgendered children in a school or other setting be supported when the learning materials that will actually teach them and others and lend some support to them in this specific issue be banned?

Easy ... don't teach LGBTQ at all. It's unnecessary.
They can be supported just fine without the indoctrination.

No they can't, children not taught inclusivity or basic social manners and consideration of others by their parents are cruel to other children and disruptive in other social spheres.

originally posted by: NotMEMaybeU

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: NotMEMaybeU

You missed the point I am trying to make, those girls that wanted to be boys had nobody understanding this phenomenon nor any educational materials explaining it, to support them so they didn't feel weird.

Those girls did not want to be boys, they liked doing boy things. The "adults" today do not seem to understand the difference.

My point is, I did not have any support from anyone nor any books where I could find out why I felt the way I felt.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
Of course any parent can opt their child out of inclusivity and diversity studies,

1 - No they can't opt out. That's the whole point of the opening post. The 100 families want to opt out of having their children indoctrinated but the school system is not allowing it.

2 - It's not 'inclusivity and diversity studies'. It's left wing propaganda and antiscience TRANS indoctrination.

but it won't look good and if the child is left to the bias' of the parents

It's not 'parents bias'. It's parents not allowing left wing indoctrination.
It's the SCHOOL that has the bias, not the parents.

then that child will eventually have many missteps in their socialization with others.

Nope.

The parents can have the child not attend the readings of those books, plain and simple.

originally posted by: quintessentone
No they can't, children not taught inclusivity or basic social manners and consideration of others by their parents are cruel to other children and disruptive in other social spheres.

There is a difference between teaching children to all get along, and cramming indoctrination down their throats. "A Boy. Named Penelope" is TRANS indoctrination and anti-science. These books have no place in the school system in the first place but at the very least the 100 families should be able to opt out of the indoctrination but are being stopped from doing so.

originally posted by: quintessentone
The parents can have the child not attend the readings of those books, plain and simple.

No they can't. That's the point. They are not being allowed to opt out.