LGBTQ Pride Storybooks in Maryland Public Schools - the battle of national interest

a reply to: nickyw

I didn't want to be a boy, I wanted to live a boy's life back then, because a girl's life I found boring and not fitting my activity levels. Being gifted, I wanted to learn why I was feeling different and non-conforming because the adult males in my orbit felt it their duty to steer me back to a girl's life, which made me feel like something was wrong with me.

As for external gender and other types presenting to others, that is another complex topic.

As for calling me a groomer, it won't intimidate me or stop me from my path to understanding of this phenomenon because these children need to be supported and treated, if need be, not to be shown one of two binary doors which best fits someone else's social conditioning.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
No they can't, children not taught inclusivity or basic social manners and consideration of others by their parents are cruel to other children and disruptive in other social spheres.

There is a difference between teaching children to all get along, and cramming indoctrination down their throats. "A Boy. Named Penelope" is TRANS indoctrination and anti-science. These books have no place in the school system in the first place but at the very least the 100 families should be able to opt out of the indoctrination but are being stopped from doing so.

Parents can have their child OPT OUT of the readings, plain and simple.

Let other parents decide what's best for their children and you decide what's best for yours. Plain and simple.

ETA

You are right they can't opt out, which I disagree with, but the judge decided that the parents suffered no injury. And the parents said they don't disagree with the transgender support ideology - it's very strange...

“They are not complaining in the abstract about the ideology of the Board’s policy; they are complaining that the policy is actually interfering with the parent-child relationship and that their own children are forcefully being subjected to it,” the judge wrote.

thedailyrecord.com...#:~:text=A%20federal%20appeals%20court%20rule d,their%20gender%20identity%20at%20school.

Then the advice given to parents is make those types of changes in the ballot box.

originally posted by: ABlackCat

America. Remember when Black children didn't have the freedom?

Are you suggesting it is the same thing?

originally posted by: quintessentone]
Parents can have their child OPT OUT of the readings, plain and simple.

No they can't.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone]
Parents can have their child OPT OUT of the readings, plain and simple.

No they can't.

See my ETA above.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
No they can't, children not taught inclusivity or basic social manners and consideration of others by their parents are cruel to other children and disruptive in other social spheres.

There is a difference between teaching children to all get along, and cramming indoctrination down their throats. "A Boy. Named Penelope" is TRANS indoctrination and anti-science. These books have no place in the school system in the first place but at the very least the 100 families should be able to opt out of the indoctrination but are being stopped from doing so.

Parents can have their child OPT OUT of the readings, plain and simple.

Let other parents decide what's best for their children and you decide what's best for yours. Plain and simple.

You keep saying that but they're some schools that do not allow you to opt out. So its not plain and simple. Also opting out might not even be your decision in some cases. Take example this paragraph from the NYC DOE.

"The student is in charge of their gender transition and the school’s role is to provide support. Where appropriate, the school administrator or another trusted adult in the school can meet with the student regarding their transition. The parent may be at this meeting, except where there are safety or other concerns."

The school can just use "safety" concerns as a reason for not telling you about books etc.

originally posted by: NotMEMaybeU

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
No they can't, children not taught inclusivity or basic social manners and consideration of others by their parents are cruel to other children and disruptive in other social spheres.

There is a difference between teaching children to all get along, and cramming indoctrination down their throats. "A Boy. Named Penelope" is TRANS indoctrination and anti-science. These books have no place in the school system in the first place but at the very least the 100 families should be able to opt out of the indoctrination but are being stopped from doing so.

Parents can have their child OPT OUT of the readings, plain and simple.

Let other parents decide what's best for their children and you decide what's best for yours. Plain and simple.

You keep saying that but they're some schools that do not allow you to opt out. So its not plain and simple. Also opting out might not even be your decision in some cases. Take example this paragraph from the NYC DOE.

"The student is in charge of their gender transition and the school’s role is to provide support. Where appropriate, the school administrator or another trusted adult in the school can meet with the student regarding their transition. The parent may be at this meeting, except where there are safety or other concerns."

The school can just use "safety" concerns as a reason for not telling you about books etc.

I read a little further into this and the parents do not disagree with transgender support mechanisms/materials in the school ...

“They are not complaining in the abstract about the ideology of the Board’s policy; they are complaining that the policy is actually interfering with the parent-child relationship and that their own children are forcefully being subjected to it,” the judge wrote.

from my source above.

I agree with the parents' right to opt their children out of anything they want to but the parents had to show they suffered injury and the judge said that they did not.

What do you all think?

a reply to: Xtrozero

Only thousands are angry? I guess Barack Obama made an impression in N.C. lol

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
No they can't, children not taught inclusivity or basic social manners and consideration of others by their parents are cruel to other children and disruptive in other social spheres.

There is a difference between teaching children to all get along, and cramming indoctrination down their throats. "A Boy. Named Penelope" is TRANS indoctrination and anti-science. These books have no place in the school system in the first place but at the very least the 100 families should be able to opt out of the indoctrination but are being stopped from doing so.

Parents can have their child OPT OUT of the readings, plain and simple.

Let other parents decide what's best for their children and you decide what's best for yours. Plain and simple.

ETA

You are right they can't opt out, which I disagree with, but the judge decided that the parents suffered no injury. And the parents said they don't disagree with the transgender support ideology - it's very strange...

“They are not complaining in the abstract about the ideology of the Board’s policy; they are complaining that the policy is actually interfering with the parent-child relationship and that their own children are forcefully being subjected to it,” the judge wrote.

thedailyrecord.com...#:~:text=A%20federal%20appeals%20court%20rule d,their%20gender%20identity%20at%20school.

Then the advice given to parents is make those types of changes in the ballot box.

There is no gender identity.
There is gender ideology btw. It orbits around the fictitious concept of gender identity.

originally posted by: quintessentone

How can transgendered children in a school or other setting be supported when the learning materials that will actually teach them and others and lend some support to them in this specific issue be banned?

So what class would that be since Trans is rare as per gender dysphoria, so in a typical school would it be a class of 2? Also, are these books banned everywhere or just restricted?

Would that be a class for everyone or those it is actually focused on? It seems some people here are confusing across-the-board inclusivity that would be embedded in all classes at some level with what would be more unique situational support. It seems that is more of a counselor-type event that should have the parents involved too. In that situation, the counselor could advise books and support for the student.

The reality of how this all played out was that all these books that the educational system saw as appropriate with many going way too deep into adult sexual situations for the age groups that had access to them finally became aware to parents. Parents then went to the school board and complained and even tried to read these books to them as proof and they were told they could not read the books and were labeled as domestic terrorists or at least added to watch lists and then ignored. Then all this was labeled anti-gay.

So here we are today with people suggesting we are back in the 1950s and this is a type of slavery of the 1800s.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
How can transgendered children in a school or other setting be supported when the learning materials that will actually teach them and others and lend some support to them in this specific issue be banned?

Easy ... don't teach LGBTQ at all. It's unnecessary.
They can be supported just fine without the indoctrination.

No they can't, children not taught inclusivity or basic social manners and consideration of others by their parents are cruel to other children and disruptive in other social spheres.

LGBTQ+ propaganda you mean.
This has nothing to do with inclusivity and diversity. You need to get your head around this. The gender ideology is a linguistic movement having no basis in science and no basis is truth.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Even if it's one child, that child needs inclusivity in society.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: quintessentone

How can transgendered children in a school or other setting be supported when the learning materials that will actually teach them and others and lend some support to them in this specific issue be banned?

So what class would that be since Trans is rare as per gender dysphoria, so in a typical school would it be a class of 2? Also, are these books banned everywhere or just restricted?

Would that be a class for everyone or those it is actually focused on? It seems some people here are confusing across-the-board inclusivity that would be embedded in all classes at some level with what would be more unique situational support. It seems that is more of a counselor-type event that should have the parents involved too. In that situation, the counselor could advise books and support for the student.

What happened were all these books that the educational system saw as appropriate with many going way too deep into adult sexual situations for the age groups that had access to them finally became aware to parents. Parents then went to the school board and complained and even tried to read these books to them as proof and they were told they could not read the books and were labeled as domestic terrorists or at least added to watch lists and then ignored. Then all this was labeled anti-gay.

Someone who has gender dysphoria isn't trans. The trans lobby wants everyone else to believe they are. They're trying hard with their antiscientific class to relate mental health issues to their ridiculous political ideology. There are no transgender people.

originally posted by: quintessentone

Even if it's one child, that child needs inclusivity in society.

Where in my post did it suggest that isn't already the case?

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Xtrozero

Even if it's one child, that child needs inclusivity in society.

What they don't need is LGBTQ+ propaganda.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Xtrozero

Even if it's one child, that child needs inclusivity in society.

What they don't need is LGBTQ+ propaganda.

Mantra time.

When I include people into a poker game, I don't care if they're gay or trans or bi or whatever.

We're there to play poker.


In school, you include all children into an environment of learning. Math, English, History, the subjects don't care what gender you "identify" as or what your parents are. Gays don't learn differently than anyone else.

This excuse to "include" based on sexuality is wrong and sick.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
When I include people into a poker game, I don't care if they're gay or trans or bi or whatever.

We're there to play poker.


In school, you include all children into an environment of learning. Math, English, History, the subjects don't care what gender you "identify" as or what your parents are. Gays don't learn differently than anyone else.

This excuse to "include" based on sexuality is wrong and sick.

For children it's not sexuality, it's gender expression and/or identity and other children will be curious as to why that child presents that way. Gender is not sexual in nature, it is how a child feels at certain stages within their experiences and maturity. Adult expressions would certainly differ because again maturity and life's experiences. I think you are thinking in adult terms here.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
When I include people into a poker game, I don't care if they're gay or trans or bi or whatever.

We're there to play poker.


In school, you include all children into an environment of learning. Math, English, History, the subjects don't care what gender you "identify" as or what your parents are. Gays don't learn differently than anyone else.

This excuse to "include" based on sexuality is wrong and sick.

Of course, cuz they’re all little robots.

You’ve obviously never raised a “diverse type” kid.