LGBTQ Pride Storybooks in Maryland Public Schools - the battle of national interest

a reply to: Annee

Annee you have a knack, I tell ya what.

My question has nothing to do with other parents.

You don't want to answer the hypothetical because;

A) You don't want to admit you would give up full authority to the state if they said they know better.

-or-

B) You absolutely would fight for your right as a grandparent to have some say, but won't admit that because in the case of LGBTQ+ education you think parents should have no right to object, because it's a cause you are behind.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: Annee

Annee you have a knack, I tell ya what.

My question has nothing to do with other parents.

You don't want to answer the hypothetical because;

A) You don't want to admit you would give up full authority to the state if they said they know better.

-or-

B) You absolutely would fight for your right as a grandparent to have some say, but won't admit that because in the case of LGBTQ+ education you think parents should have no right to object, because it's a cause you are behind.

I gave you a logical scenario.

Which fits this particular subject.

Kids and inclusion. Which I fully support.

I support the school’s decision which benefits the kids.

Which means I am siding against the parents — for the benefit of the kids.

It’s pretty damn clear where I stand on parents rights in regards to this situation.

I am NOT going to randomly take this decision for this particular situation and apply it elsewhere.

a reply to: Annee

Yes it is clear. Deny the rights of others if you disagree with them and let the State tell them what's best for them and their own.

Anyway no sense going on with that.

How about back to the kids.

Any thoughts on the detrans panel of experiences right from their individual mouths?

a reply to: Annee

I am NOT going to randomly take this decision for this particular situation and apply it elsewhere.

AKA Logical inconsistency.

AKA Hypocrisy

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: Annee

Yes it is clear. Deny the rights of others if you disagree with them and let the State tell them what's best for them and their own.

Anyway no sense going on with that.

How about back to the kids.

Any thoughts on the detrans panel of experiences right from their individual mouths?

Maybe you could stick to the actual subject.

I have no interest in detrans — which has nothing to do with the thread subject.

a reply to: Annee

Don't give me that crap as you've had no problem going off topic as the thread has evolved, plenty of times.

If you only want to stick to the contents of the OP, you may as well move on. That ship sailed and the thread pretty much dead.

Maybe there is a different reason you have zero interest in detrans. Is it because they challenge the narrative?

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

I again applaud you. Not for above par debate skills this time but for your saints like patience.

Trying to rationalize the irrational.
Apply logic to the illogical

a reply to: JinMI

Thanks for this and the other comment from last night.

I appreciate it. I don't think I have above par debate skills, but the patience of a Saint, I'll take it.

I just think of it like mental chess. Try to understand their logic and way of thinking and use that with questions that back one of us into a corner. Only one argument can stand the scrutiny and rule out, or common ground can be made.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Try to understand their logic and way of thinking and use that with questions that back one of us into a corner. Only one argument can stand the scrutiny and rule out, or common ground can be made.

Indeed.

Hows that working out for you in this discussion?

a reply to: JinMI

If it wasn't for the fact actual children are being effected, I'd say I haven't had this much fun since hanging out in the Origins and Creation side of the forums. But I find this debate very frustrating.

It's easy to suggest they (other posters here) approve of grooming and predatorial behavior, and I have done that, sure. But I don't really think that they truly think like that. I really believe that they very much care about the children and their well being. It saddens me to not break through that and show that we care about the kids too.

I'm not transphobic or anything even close. I'm just a dude that's been into conspiracy theories since I was twelve.

Anyone worth their salt on this site should know there is something deeper than just empathy for children at play here. Vast amounts of money into media and education on woke culture, LGBT ideology, cancel culture.. don't tell me there isn't some agenda to divide us and more.

Let's all have empathy for the LGBTQ community, and support our youth who may be experiencing gender dysphoria or sexual confusion. But let's do it without rushing to gender affirmation care, let's do it without blurring definitions, and let's especially do it without sexualization.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Let's all have empathy for the LGBTQ community, and support our youth who may be experiencing gender dysphoria or sexual confusion. But let's do it without rushing to gender affirmation care, let's do it without blurring definitions, and let's especially do it without sexualization.

I don't find it useful or required to use a label in order to have empathy for my fellow humans most of the time.

To the rest of your post, I think the aversion to discussion detransitioners should be the loudest tell so far.

originally posted by: JinMI
I don't find it useful or required to use a label in order to have empathy for my fellow humans most of the time.

Fair and valid.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: quintessentone

The first time is a one-off. Hence the word, "one".

The second time is maybe a coincidence.

The third time is a trend or agenda.

It'd be easier if you folks would just come out of the closet (heh) and admit that you're okay with sexualizing children.

Because you are by defending this.

That tactic won't work because I am not defending sexualization of children, I am pointing out truths about transgendered people not being the ones sexualizing children...it's some parents, friends of parents, church officials, coaches, camp counsellors...anyone with access to a child.

I am opposing the demonization of any minority for biased reasons, where said biased reasons have no basis in truth.

to take up from where our discussion ended yesterday you did suggest that but i more have issues with this part because as a community while small they disproportionatly get convicted for group size in the uk of sexual offences, thus you and others risk corning yourselves in protecting sexual predators because they claim to be of the group your defend we saw that with the scots defence of fully intact rapists being locked in cells with vulnerable female prisoners, and i the defence of not locking up rapists who are under 25 deemed to young to understand rape is wrong..

when we start juxtaposing that preteens understand sex and can make sex based decisions but 25 year olds do not understand rape is wrong and can not be held to account its not a system that can survive meeting reality..

I used the example of pie for the reason that abusers will piggy backed anything to gain unfettered access to their victims especially if they get protected access by claiming to be a special group, in the uk both the gay rights movement and the liberal groups allowed that to happen to themselves,

so the trans allies risk gate keeping and protecting abusers which is why it'll end up being as large a scandal as the churches, the freemasons, the medical professions, the schools police and social workers who protected abusers.

the battle lines on this cross many existing division even let and right divisions but this is probably the hill you'll find more on than the economy, covid, climate or immigrants.. indeed the anger of all the other divisions are liable to come out on this one as we are already seeing on both the left and right with even lgb groups distancing themselves from what is happening..

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Let's all have empathy for the LGBTQ community, and support our youth who may be experiencing gender dysphoria or sexual confusion. But let's do it without rushing to gender affirmation care, let's do it without blurring definitions, and let's especially do it without sexualization.

I don't find it useful or required to use a label in order to have empathy for my fellow humans most of the time.

To the rest of your post, I think the aversion to discussion detransitioners should be the loudest tell so far.

when used correctly labels can be helpful, its at the heart of where this has gone so wrong, it lays in shifting from sex to gender so going from heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual and transexual to transgender blurred a few lines most notably it put the transexuals in the same pot as transvestitism and more fringe fetishes.. thus we go from being ok with transexuals sharing toilets to concern it masks those out to abuse for kinks..

we go from a point where society is happy to give transexuals a new start in life and even mask their previous lives with witness like protection to offering that same protection to rapists and child abusers.

the social contagion is not with the kids its those piggy backing it all as trans allies that are.. as a parent of 3 boys I can not imagine how any parent who has transitioned their kids will ever be able to admit they where wrong when this goes full circle as it will, they'll be stuck as will those who fanatically supported any of the other key topics of this period.

a reply to: nickyw

I'm not saying they don't have a purpose, I'm saying I don't find them useful in determining empathy.

Remember the "metoo" movement? How many actual victims were left behind, forgotten about or never got justice due to the virtue signaling of the attention whores?

Same thing with the "cutters" back in my youth or the "suicide attempters." All these social trends don't do the people that really, actually need help and likely doing them even more harm.

as a parent of 3 boys I can not imagine how any parent who has transitioned their kids will ever be able to admit they where wrong when this goes full circle as it will, they'll be stuck as will those who fanatically supported any of the other key topics of this period.

They will not, they cannot admit that. Because then they have to live with the fact that they purposely harmed their children and/or grand children.

The lie is more comfortable than the truth.

a reply to: JinMI

very true, the trans groups at one of the local universities went to the extremes to get professor stock dismissed to protect their mental health, the irony is the local mental health dept is nearly under investigation for allowing hundred with mental health issues to die..

in that instance they could have spent the effort saving lives but chose not to, meeto can be seen through the same lens..

through many lenses (trans/economy/climate/migration) its not about the headline claims or indeed bettering the world but furthering a pseudo-religious political ideology that would otherwise not get a sniff at any power.

manipulating language and labels prevents anyone clearly seeing the pseudo-religious ideology lurking behind.. but the positive side is we're coming ever closer to completing the circle on most of those topics and the pseudo-religious ideological science that took us on this circular path.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer
Well said

originally posted by: Annee

You have only your opinion.

You close the door on anything that doesn’t fit your narrative.

That's what YOU do.
Hell, you even tried to falsely claim that science doesn't understand heterosexuality.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
It's about parents having the right to determine their childrens education.
So it definitely IS about the parents, might want to read the OP.

originally posted by: Annee
NO
It’s about kids being safe in THEIR environment.

NO. The opening post is about 20 LGBTQ books being pushed on kids in school and about 100 families who want to opt out of the reading of the left wing propaganda but are not being allowed to. So it very much IS about the rights of parents to determine their childrens education.

originally posted by: FlyersFan2

originally posted by: Annee

You have only your opinion.

You close the door on anything that doesn’t fit your narrative.

That's what YOU do.
Hell, you even tried to falsely claim that science doesn't understand heterosexuality.

sadly we're seeing the kind of pseudoscience once pushed by eugenicists to sterilise/eradicate the poor/different, its now being embraced by teachers/social workers/police, soon they'll get out the callipers for the pre crime skull measurements to check for criminal intent, like the extreme sex stereotyping its all very Victorian, I think its Victorian but fear it's morphing into Frankenstein's monster