You are not a transsexual.

a reply to: Terpene

The movement, as in the LGBT group think ideologues.

I have no issue with what people do on their own in the bedroom between consenting adults or how someone wants to identify. I’ve said this many times.

It’s when you politicise the fantasy, and attempt to indoctrinate children at school, or enforce laws to compel speech, I have an issue.

a reply to: Grenade

These statements are just wrong, you have nothing backing them up. Mental illness can be caused by many things including but not limited to brain tumors which can be surgically removed, there's a case where a man became a pedophile suddenly, they found that he had developed a brain tumor and had it cut out he went back to being normal, then the predilection returned, his wife brought him to his neurologist, and what did they find that the tumor had grown back, they cut it out and the urges stopped.

Pedophilia is a mental illness, this man was cured of it through surgical procedure. These are facts if you need the source I'll find it for you, but as you are a real man I believe you could use the internet how you know how to use the internet and find that what I'm saying is true and what you are saying has no scientific basis whatsoever.

a reply to: Poofmander

Yeah, let’s all feel sorry for pedophiles now. Those poor people just need help.

No surprises.

As a bachelor of science I find your ridicule amusing.

originally posted by: Grenade
I beg to differ. A 12 year old is in no way ready to make life changing irreversible decisions.

Leave our kids alone.

You think it’s ok for 12 year old to have sex and change their gender and expect me to respect that position.

Wow!

Clearly nothing I or anything anyone else can say will budge you from your entrenched position or help you better understand the conditions surrounding trans youth so it is pointless to try other than to say you are sadly under informed and apparently unwilling to consider other points of view. That’s your prerogative.

“Leave our kids alone” – nobody is coming for your kids and making them aware that gay and trans people exist is not going to make them gay or trans. Conversely, with over 500 proposed pieces of Republican backed legislation this year alone aimed at LGB and primarily trans youth, I would like to see “leave our kids alone” applied across the board.

And please don’t try to put words in my mouth. I never said it is okay for 12 year olds to have sex and think that is pretty sad but having known and been involved with trans youth, many who are afflicted with depression, anxiety and constant suicidal ideation as a byproduct of severe gender dysphoria that are generally suffering and in despair, I strongly feel that allowing them the room to experiment or express themselves in a way that provides some degree of relief and hope is the proper and humane thing to do.

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These major medical groups agree with me:

American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
American Academy of Dermatology
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Academy of Physician Assistants
American Medical Association
American Nurses Association
American Association of Clinical Endocrinology
American Association of Geriatric Psychiatry
American College Health Association
American College of Nurse-Midwives
American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
American College of Physicians
American Counseling Association
American Heart Association
American Medical Student Association
American Psychiatric Association
American Society of Plastic Surgeons
American Society for Reproductive Medicine
American Urological Association
Endocrine Society
Federation of Pediatric Organizations
GLMA: Health Professionals Advancing LGBTQ Equality
The Journal of the American Medical Association
National Association of Nurse Practitioners in Women’s Health
National Association of Social Workers
Pediatric Endocrine Society
Texas Medical Association
Texas Pediatric Society
United States Professional Association for Transgender Health (USPATH)
World Health Organization (WHO)
World Medical Association
World Professional Association for Transgender Health

So you think you know better than them? LOL!

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

You’re right, I’ll never be convinced that pandering to delusion will help mental illness.

Care to source any of those organisations you just linked.

Preferably the relevant ones.

How many of you have children? I think that’s a better qualification on this topic.

a reply to: Grenade

Well GRENADE, I would hate to be your child, so watch out you might just breed a dissentor of your very own with your narrow views.

a reply to: Grenade

First it was

"I’ve never dehumanised a trans person"

and then this

... pandering to delusion will help mental illness.

Maybe try to be a little more self-aware of your words and phrases if you think you are being nice?

Care to source any of those organisations you just linked.

Preferably the relevant ones.

All links can be found here: Medical Association Statements in Support of Health Care for Transgender People and Youth

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

Give him those sources! Good work!

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

Wait, you think it's dehumanizing to recognize mental illness? What a strange idea.

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

How many of those statements specifically approve or promote liberty blockers or surgery?

They’re simply stating that these kids need help and medical care, which no one is arguing against.

You people really do clutch at straws.

a reply to: Poofmander

Lmfao, imagine comparing a brain tumor that changed a person's behavior, which was resolved by removing the tumor to chopping people's genitals up and mutilating their bodies to affirm their mental illness.

If you can't see the gaping hole in that comparison, maybe debate isn't for you.

An accurate comparison would be to show a pedophile who was cured of their pedophilia by molesting kids. And even if such a case exists, I have a better cure that doesn't harm children. Indefinite detention in a mental institution or prison.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

How many of those statements specifically approve or promote liberty blockers or surgery?

They’re simply stating that these kids need help and medical care, which no one is arguing against.

You people really do clutch at straws.

Did you even bother to read some of the quotes in the page I linked at your request and the way I see it, it is the politicians that are promoting "liberty blockers"!

"You people"? Holy crap! That tells me all I need to know. Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

Typo on my phone. It’s meant to read puberty blockers.

It confirms all you need to know. That I’m against child abuse? You bet I am.

Dare I read...are you two finished?

a reply to: Dfairlite

You have to keep the thread man, I was showing how some mental health situations are intrinsically linked to actual physical health and well-being, which Mr. Grenade thinks that kids that feel gender dysphoric are just living in a fantasy and are perfectly healthy.

When you tell children their feeling are a fantasy you do mental harm which will in turn most likely become physical health concern.

People living in a black and white world have strict definitions but those strict definitions don't stand up to scrutiny.

How could a gender dysphoric child be both 100% healthy yet still need treatment?

Obviously there's and issue and how that gets dealt with is between that child, their own feelings, and their care provider. Laws banning the practice of healthcare for children dealing with these feelings is absolutely not necessary.

I'm arguing against someone who thinks "real men" are the only "populators" of the planet, but somehow someway if the "Pride" community gets any respect all that will come crumbling down where real men won't be able to populate the world anymore because of all the tasty @$$ candy they can't stop licking.

Not much faith in "real men" but hey I don't know what they are

a reply to: Poofmander

I said nothing of the sort.

a reply to: Poofmander

You do understand the difference between psychology and physiology? If not I suggest you do some research before making yourself look even more foolish, if that’s even possible.

You lost all credibility when you started defending pedophiles.

a reply to: Poofmander

When you tell children their feeling are a fantasy you do mental harm which will in turn most likely become physical health concern.

The treatment is simple: remove them from sources of LGBT propaganda. If the problem persists, wait until after puberty where ninetyish percent of them report those feelings are gone. In other words, the treatment is the opposite of what the LGBT propagandists want to do. Which is indoctinate, then mame children.

a reply to: Grenade

i am so done with this thread.

no really... so super mad! i am outta here.

this time for real tho.

why do you keep forcing me to respond?! can't you see that i am trying to shut up? quit it!

....


how embarrassing for you, grenade.
snowflake.
u done yet?