Titan Submersible Tragedy - Cabal Message or genuine accident

not to go off topic to much, just saw this and thought i'd throw is into the mix.
what if it's spirits striking back for grave desecration by one of theirs lack of respect and trying to make a buck off them.

OceanGate founder and CEO Stockton Rush is married to Wendy Rush, the great-great-granddaughter of Isidor and Ida Straus, who choose to remain onboard the sinking Titanic together so that others could escape to safety in their place. The wife of OceanGate's CEO is descended from a famous couple who died on the Titanic

that's some supernatural show stuff right there.

something else i didn't know the in movie Titanic the couple who held each in bed while it was sinking were based off her great great grandparents.

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: vonclod
Genuine accident..preventable though, this company cheaped out wherever possible, threw safety and caution to the wind, because he thought he was the smartest guy in the room..end of story.

Logic would dictate that it was such. Still leaves an aura of uncertainty though.

originally posted by: 1947boomer
a reply to: Kreeate

It's a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. The co-founder of OceanGate, Stockton Rush, thought he was smart enough to design a beyond-the-state-of-the-art submersible on the cheap. When his advisors--who had more experience than he did--tried to point out the problems with his approach, he insisted he was right, they were wrong, and he fired them.

As Dirty Harry once said, "A man's got to know his limitations".

One would think that international safety regulations and requirements are included/enforced in a situation or endeavor like this. I guess money can buy exception.

Often enough, thing's are just what they appear to be. I don't think there are any regulations in international waters..just a guess though.

Agreed. I am not not educated in the regulations on safety in international waters. I would assume that some kind of regulation is required for deep-sea exploration as some kind of standard though. People with more knowledge than I... please educate/comment.

I think international waters is basically no mans land, no one entity controls it. But I bet going forward, whatever port these expeditions leave from might be required to pay some attention to whats going on..again just my best guess.

As everything else in life, I suspect that laws will eventually evolve to include some kind of culpability to the origin ports at the least.
I can imagine that insurance companies would have a vested interest in this for sure.

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: vonclod
Genuine accident..preventable though, this company cheaped out wherever possible, threw safety and caution to the wind, because he thought he was the smartest guy in the room..end of story.

Logic would dictate that it was such. Still leaves an aura of uncertainty though.

originally posted by: 1947boomer
a reply to: Kreeate

It's a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. The co-founder of OceanGate, Stockton Rush, thought he was smart enough to design a beyond-the-state-of-the-art submersible on the cheap. When his advisors--who had more experience than he did--tried to point out the problems with his approach, he insisted he was right, they were wrong, and he fired them.

As Dirty Harry once said, "A man's got to know his limitations".

One would think that international safety regulations and requirements are included/enforced in a situation or endeavor like this. I guess money can buy exception.

Often enough, thing's are just what they appear to be. I don't think there are any regulations in international waters..just a guess though.

Agreed. I am not not educated in the regulations on safety in international waters. I would assume that some kind of regulation is required for deep-sea exploration as some kind of standard though. People with more knowledge than I... please educate/comment.

I think international waters is basically no mans land, no one entity controls it. But I bet going forward, whatever port these expeditions leave from might be required to pay some attention to whats going on..again just my best guess.

As everything else in life, I suspect that laws will eventually evolve to include some kind of culpability to the origin ports at the least.
I can imagine that insurance companies would have a vested interest in this for sure.

I agree!

originally posted by: BernnieJGato

not to go off topic to much, just saw this and thought i'd throw is into the mix.
what if it's spirits striking back for grave desecration by one of theirs lack of respect and trying to make a buck off them.

OceanGate founder and CEO Stockton Rush is married to Wendy Rush, the great-great-granddaughter of Isidor and Ida Straus, who choose to remain onboard the sinking Titanic together so that others could escape to safety in their place.

The wife of OceanGate's CEO is descended from a famous couple who died on the Titanic

that's some supernatural show stuff right there.

something else i didn't know the in movie Titanic the couple who held each in bed while it was sinking were based off her great great grandparents.

Still on-topic in my opinion. What makes you think spirits are involved?
I'm open minded but that seems like a loooong shot to me.[

edit on 22-6-2023 by Kreeate because: (no reason given)

a reply to: Kreeate

did you read that his wife's great great grand parents died on the Titanic, the founder of Macy's.
and are being vengeful for him and her being she is the communications director of the company making a buck off their grave site.

a reply to: Kreeate

Sunday: US Navy detects implosion of the Titan, doesn’t inform public

Monday: “TITAN IS MISSING!!”
Tuesday: “BANGING IS HEARD!!”
Wednesday: “RUNNING OUT OF AIR!!”
Thursday: “WRECKAGE FOUND!!”

They knew the outcome 4 days ago, yet they kept the drama going for the entire week

I think it event would have been capitalized on to divert attention from the Hunter story. They would have gone to Russia/Ukraine or China/Taiwan if they had to, but this unfortunate event gave this administration the perfect out.

There always seems to be a list of dramatic, controversial stories waiting in the wings as a diversion even if they have to reuse a few.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: Kreeate

did you read that his wife's great great grand parents died on the Titanic, the founder of Macy's

I did, yes.

The fact that many souls perished on that day does not automatically imply that a rogue soul is now upset and has nefarious intent. Why would a departed soul from the Titanic want to engage in the potential demise of innocent individuals who were only interested in the historic events around the Titanic?

originally posted by: boozo
a reply to: Kreeate

Sunday: US Navy detects implosion of the Titan, doesn’t inform public

Monday: “TITAN IS MISSING!!”
Tuesday: “BANGING IS HEARD!!”
Wednesday: “RUNNING OUT OF AIR!!”
Thursday: “WRECKAGE FOUND!!”

They knew the outcome 4 days ago, yet they kept the drama going for the entire week

Yep. That's the media in a nutshell.

EDIT: In saying that... If "implosion" is detected, I highly doubt any kind of "banging" would be heard/detected afterwards. Just my opinion of course.

originally posted by: nugget1
I think it event would have been capitalized on to divert attention from the Hunter story. They would have gone to Russia/Ukraine or China/Taiwan if they had to, but this unfortunate event gave this administration the perfect out.

There always seems to be a list of dramatic, controversial stories waiting in the wings as a diversion even if they have to reuse a few.

It does seem to be conveniently "divergent" don't it.

originally posted by: boozo
a reply to: Kreeate

Sunday: US Navy detects implosion of the Titan, doesn’t inform public

Monday: “TITAN IS MISSING!!”
Tuesday: “BANGING IS HEARD!!”
Wednesday: “RUNNING OUT OF AIR!!”
Thursday: “WRECKAGE FOUND!!”

They knew the outcome 4 days ago, yet they kept the drama going for the entire week

Posted a vid days ago that claimed an implosion was heard. Zaphod58 replied with this

The underwater network would have easily heard if it went, but the problem is that the guys running the network almost certainly aren't going to release that until they clean up a lot of information about how sensitive the network is.

I generally trust what he says, and it makes sense. Also I think they need to confirm it %100, before breaking the news. Like pieces of a puzzle, until it's all together, you keep looking till all the pieces come together.

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: boozo
a reply to: Kreeate

Sunday: US Navy detects implosion of the Titan, doesn’t inform public

Monday: “TITAN IS MISSING!!”
Tuesday: “BANGING IS HEARD!!”
Wednesday: “RUNNING OUT OF AIR!!”
Thursday: “WRECKAGE FOUND!!”

They knew the outcome 4 days ago, yet they kept the drama going for the entire week

Posted a vid days ago that claimed an implosion was heard. Zaphod58 replied with this

The underwater network would have easily heard if it went, but the problem is that the guys running the network almost certainly aren't going to release that until they clean up a lot of information about how sensitive the network is.

I generally trust what he says, and it makes sense. Also I think they need to confirm it %100, before breaking the news. Like pieces of a puzzle, until it's all together, you keep looking till all the pieces come together.

I suspect that even if the Navy has all kinds of telemetry about this incident, they would selectively release information about it.
Military capability/secrets are obviously sensitive and divulging certain information may be counterintuitive to the Navy.

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: vonclod
Genuine accident..preventable though, this company cheaped out wherever possible, threw safety and caution to the wind, because he thought he was the smartest guy in the room..end of story.

Logic would dictate that it was such. Still leaves an aura of uncertainty though.

originally posted by: 1947boomer
a reply to: Kreeate

It's a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. The co-founder of OceanGate, Stockton Rush, thought he was smart enough to design a beyond-the-state-of-the-art submersible on the cheap. When his advisors--who had more experience than he did--tried to point out the problems with his approach, he insisted he was right, they were wrong, and he fired them.

As Dirty Harry once said, "A man's got to know his limitations".

One would think that international safety regulations and requirements are included/enforced in a situation or endeavor like this. I guess money can buy exception.

Actually, national safety regulations ARE enforced in a situation like this. That's why OceanGate operated in international waters--to avoid national regulations.

"Submersibles are different because they don’t sail in and out of ports. They’re carried, so most submersible rules are local rules. For example, in the U.S. there are specific rules for operating submersibles in and out of U.S. ports and in U.S. waters. The catch with OceanGate and the Titan was they were basically operating outside territorial waters — they’re past the 12-mile limit, and they’re launching off a Canadian vessel. There didn’t appear to really be any sort of jurisdictions applying to this vessel. They’re not breaking the laws, but they’re operating in a very gray area."

From:

www.curbed.com...

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: Triggered1
a reply to: Kreeate

I had a feeling it imploded. I was still holding on to some hope that they'd all be rescued up until this morning. RIP to all 5 on board.

I have severe claustrophobia myself and just the thought of being in that situation chills me to the bone.
One can only hope it was a quick and painless end. A tragedy indeed.

Here's the weird part for me Im fine in closed spaces use to crawl houses and other buildings for termite inspections, In some places you have to scoot in on your back and check every square foot. But like Im not sure Id even go it seems everything you can see has already been seen at the Titanic site, I want to see something nobody has seen.

but thats the kicker, Ocean Gate needed the draw of visiting the Titanic site offered. OG wasn't gonna get big-dollar passengers just puttering around the Bahamas. They had to have that influx of wealthy adventure tourists.

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: boozo
a reply to: Kreeate

Sunday: US Navy detects implosion of the Titan, doesn’t inform public

Monday: “TITAN IS MISSING!!”
Tuesday: “BANGING IS HEARD!!”
Wednesday: “RUNNING OUT OF AIR!!”
Thursday: “WRECKAGE FOUND!!”

They knew the outcome 4 days ago, yet they kept the drama going for the entire week

Posted a vid days ago that claimed an implosion was heard. Zaphod58 replied with this

The underwater network would have easily heard if it went, but the problem is that the guys running the network almost certainly aren't going to release that until they clean up a lot of information about how sensitive the network is.

I generally trust what he says, and it makes sense. Also I think they need to confirm it %100, before breaking the news. Like pieces of a puzzle, until it's all together, you keep looking till all the pieces come together.

I suspect that even if the Navy has all kinds of telemetry about this incident, they would selectively release information about it.
Military capability/secrets are obviously sensitive and divulging certain information may be counterintuitive to the Navy.

Exactly, that was Zaphod58's point. He is a trusted source on these kinds of things.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: Triggered1
a reply to: Kreeate

I had a feeling it imploded. I was still holding on to some hope that they'd all be rescued up until this morning. RIP to all 5 on board.

I have severe claustrophobia myself and just the thought of being in that situation chills me to the bone.
One can only hope it was a quick and painless end. A tragedy indeed.

Here's the weird part for me Im fine in closed spaces use to crawl houses and other buildings for termite inspections, In some places you have to scoot in on your back and check every square foot. But like Im not sure Id even go it seems everything you can see has already been seen at the Titanic site, I want to see something nobody has seen.

but thats the kicker, Ocean Gate needed the draw of visiting the Titanic site offered. OG wasn't gonna get big-dollar passengers just puttering around the Bahamas. They had to have that influx of wealthy adventure tourists.

Tourism in a nutshell. The $$$'s are king apparently.

originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: vonclod
Genuine accident..preventable though, this company cheaped out wherever possible, threw safety and caution to the wind, because he thought he was the smartest guy in the room..end of story.

Logic would dictate that it was such. Still leaves an aura of uncertainty though.

originally posted by: 1947boomer
a reply to: Kreeate

It's a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. The co-founder of OceanGate, Stockton Rush, thought he was smart enough to design a beyond-the-state-of-the-art submersible on the cheap. When his advisors--who had more experience than he did--tried to point out the problems with his approach, he insisted he was right, they were wrong, and he fired them.

As Dirty Harry once said, "A man's got to know his limitations".

One would think that international safety regulations and requirements are included/enforced in a situation or endeavor like this. I guess money can buy exception.

Actually, national safety regulations ARE enforced in a situation like this. That's why OceanGate operated in international waters--to avoid national regulations.

"Submersibles are different because they don’t sail in and out of ports. They’re carried, so most submersible rules are local rules. For example, in the U.S. there are specific rules for operating submersibles in and out of U.S. ports and in U.S. waters. The catch with OceanGate and the Titan was they were basically operating outside territorial waters — they’re past the 12-mile limit, and they’re launching off a Canadian vessel. There didn’t appear to really be any sort of jurisdictions applying to this vessel. They’re not breaking the laws, but they’re operating in a very gray area."

From:

www.curbed.com...

Interesting indeed. Thank you for the link. I wonder if any additional regulations will be enforced or instated after this incident.

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: boozo
a reply to: Kreeate

Sunday: US Navy detects implosion of the Titan, doesn’t inform public

Monday: “TITAN IS MISSING!!”
Tuesday: “BANGING IS HEARD!!”
Wednesday: “RUNNING OUT OF AIR!!”
Thursday: “WRECKAGE FOUND!!”

They knew the outcome 4 days ago, yet they kept the drama going for the entire week

Posted a vid days ago that claimed an implosion was heard. Zaphod58 replied with this

The underwater network would have easily heard if it went, but the problem is that the guys running the network almost certainly aren't going to release that until they clean up a lot of information about how sensitive the network is.

I generally trust what he says, and it makes sense. Also I think they need to confirm it %100, before breaking the news. Like pieces of a puzzle, until it's all together, you keep looking till all the pieces come together.

I suspect that even if the Navy has all kinds of telemetry about this incident, they would selectively release information about it.
Military capability/secrets are obviously sensitive and divulging certain information may be counterintuitive to the Navy.

Exactly, that was Zaphod58's point. He is a trusted source on these kinds of things.

Kindly send me a link to that thread. Would be much appreciated.

a reply to: nugget1

I think it event would have been capitalized on to divert attention from the Hunter story.

For sure. I think Joel Byron put an experimental implosion device in the sub to cover for his son. It’s the only thing that made sense.

This company was like the SpaceX of sea exploration, and the sub was probably just the beginning for humanities quest for the great unexplored depths.

Another attack on America by the omnipotent mastermind that is all controlling, Joel Byron. He can’t be stopped because of how incredibly competent he is. RIP future sea science. Thanks Byron.

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: boozo
a reply to: Kreeate

Sunday: US Navy detects implosion of the Titan, doesn’t inform public

Monday: “TITAN IS MISSING!!”
Tuesday: “BANGING IS HEARD!!”
Wednesday: “RUNNING OUT OF AIR!!”
Thursday: “WRECKAGE FOUND!!”

They knew the outcome 4 days ago, yet they kept the drama going for the entire week

Posted a vid days ago that claimed an implosion was heard. Zaphod58 replied with this

The underwater network would have easily heard if it went, but the problem is that the guys running the network almost certainly aren't going to release that until they clean up a lot of information about how sensitive the network is.

I generally trust what he says, and it makes sense. Also I think they need to confirm it %100, before breaking the news. Like pieces of a puzzle, until it's all together, you keep looking till all the pieces come together.

I suspect that even if the Navy has all kinds of telemetry about this incident, they would selectively release information about it.
Military capability/secrets are obviously sensitive and divulging certain information may be counterintuitive to the Navy.

Exactly, that was Zaphod58's point. He is a trusted source on these kinds of things.

Kindly send me a link to that thread. Would be much appreciated.

Here ya go!
www.abovetopsecret.com...