Titan Submersible Tragedy - Cabal Message or genuine accident

a reply to: Kreeate

Indeed. Here is the definition of "Titan"

Its also the name of a fictional ship from 1898 that had an identical sinking to the titanic 14 years after entering print..

the similarities between the 2 has been a huge part of the fuel fortitaic conspiracies.

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: SRPrime

originally posted by: 1947boomer
a reply to: Kreeate

It's a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. The co-founder of OceanGate, Stockton Rush, thought he was smart enough to design a beyond-the-state-of-the-art submersible on the cheap. When his advisors--who had more experience than he did--tried to point out the problems with his approach, he insisted he was right, they were wrong, and he fired them.

As Dirty Harry once said, "A man's got to know his limitations".

So I'm expected to believe a Billionaire, who presumably has a track record of "good" decision making, decided to get on a submersible that wasn't tested?

This narrative is insulting my intelligence. I wouldn't get on a submersible that hasn't been depth tested... It imploded from the pressure of the sea.

Explorer or not; what's the point in being INSIDE the submersible? The submersible was tiny; why go down there when you still can't see anything, and have to use the same tools as you would if you sent it unmanned?

No parts of this story actually track; and to sit there and say "Incompetence!" when you're talking about billionaire's that couldn't exist if they were incompetent -- and calling them low IQ by trying to blame the dunnin-krugger effect is preposterous.

The CEO did go down to 3000m for 10 hrs in it..so it is said. Not defending the company or build, just relaying what I read.

That pressure then depressurisation may have been enough to cause fatigue in the hull or port..on a subpar design.

Yep, THIS essentially.
IN-OUT pressure fatigue, especially on carbon fiber is certainly a potential cause for this situation.

a reply to: Kreeate

The ammonium nitrate issue is unsubstantiated at this point. More will follow most likely.

see my last post Shahzada Dawood was a vice chairman of a an investment and holdings firm which dealt in the fertilizer business.

next step find out if the shipment belonged to a company he dealt with.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: Kreeate

The ammonium nitrate issue is unsubstantiated at this point. More will follow most likely.

see my last post Shahzada Dawood was a vice chairman of a an investment and holdings firm which dealt in the fertilizer business.

next step find out if the shipment belonged to a company he dealt with.

While all of this may be true, there is no evidence of any kind of nefarious dealings. None.
If you have evidence or documentation to the contrary, please elaborate here.

originally posted by: samkent
I'll bet it was the carbon fiber failing. A few bumps here a scrape there. Over time the water forces past the outer damaged fibers until the inner parts cannot take the pressure. It's a dealy learning curve.
Remember the de Havilland Comet airplane? The square windows developed cracks at the corners and blew out after many flights. You would think designers would have known about corners and cracks by 1949. A deadly learning curve.

i'll up the stakes.... my spidey-sense tells me that recent knocks/dings to the deep-sea craft were kept top-secret / hush-hush

and that knowledge would nullify any insurance policy the occupants would have arranged on a High Risk Adventure

if those bumps, which were more than cosmetic, becam common knowledge--- the Titans' final 2-mile death drop might never have been begun

Ok this is a conspiracy site, so here we go.

Slight of hand. They needed a reason to have all those vessel out around the titanic. The missing sub story allows them to be out there doing what they want without suspicion. Either they were after something on the titanic or they were finding evidence of what really happened to the titanic. Or they had some other nefarious reason to have all that activity around the titanic for reason we’ll never know.

Crisis actors, CEO of sub company paid off.

Now there’s a lot of gaps to fill in, but my tinfoil hat is on pretty tight. 😂

a reply to: Kreeate

There were questions and concerns as to the pressure distribution concerning the shape of the submersible and the mating of the titanium ends with the carbon fiber walls of the vehicle.

Then there is the fact that the perspex or glass viewing port only being rated to 4000ft.

My bet is this simply turns out to be material failure down to substandard or incorrect construction and poor design that will have brought the implosion of the submersible.

originally posted by: Observationalist
Ok this is a conspiracy site, so here we go.

Slight of hand. They needed a reason to have all those vessel out around the titanic. The missing sub story allows them to be out there doing what they want without suspicion. Either they were after something on the titanic or they were finding evidence of what really happened to the titanic. Or they had some other nefarious reason to have all that activity around the titanic for reason we’ll never know.

Crisis actors, CEO of sub company paid off.

Now there’s a lot of gaps to fill in, but my tinfoil hat is on pretty tight. 😂

I like this approach.

It's extreme, it's far-out, it's borderline ludicrous, but... it's an idea that jolts the "areas of the brain of which we do not speak".

In essence, a diversion? Would be a lot of actors involved though. To what end or purpose?
Give some more insight if you would please?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Kreeate

There were questions and concerns as to the pressure distribution concerning the shape of the submersible and the mating of the titanium ends with the carbon fiber walls of the vehicle.

Then there is the fact that the perspex or glass viewing port only being rated to 4000ft.

My bet is this simply turns out to be material failure down to substandard or incorrect construction and poor design that will have brought the implosion of the submersible.

My engineering background and common sense tells me exactly what you've just said.

a reply to: Kreeate

".. Methinks that people with that kind of money could hypothetically come up with much better/easier scenarios to "vanish"."

Yes. Lost in space would be one of them. How else you vanish so no one will even try to find the body?
There was a brief piece of info that the wreckage suggests outward explosion that got me thinking. Unless I got it all wrong to begin with.

originally posted by: combatmaster
How doea a sub implode????? Is it from the weight/pressure of the water above? If so, what could lead to an implosion? loose bolt kinda thing? or microscopic crack in the hull?? im genuinly asking!


a reply to: Kreeate

It's when the is more pressure on the outside than the inside and the inside starts to press inward.

It could have been a crack forming in the hull from too much pressure. Maybe the sub just didn't have the strength to hold all of that pressure and "exploded" inward on itself.

The crew likely didn't notice since it likely happened in a third of a second. The hull fractured.. The temps in the sub probably raised to temperatures you would find on the sun.. Enormous amounts of pressure squeezed every ounce of air from the sub so much and so fast that the last thing these people saw were the walls crushing inward at super speeds - so much so that they didn't even have time to utter a sound before they were already dead.

One can hope that the crew knew nothing of that had happened. If they had, the terror they would have experienced!!

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: Timber13

I saw a comment about one of the persons in the sub was the owner of the company that just lost 6k tons of ammonium nitrate.

which one, names help, even better would be a link to comment.

think i figured out which one it the comment they were talking about, Shahzada Dawood

Shahzada Dawood Dawood was the vice chairman of Engro, a Pakistani energy investment company, and the Dawood Hercules Corp., an investment and holdings firm. He had expertise in mergers and acquisitions in companies across industries, such as textiles, fertilizers, foods and energy.
The 5 men who were aboard the wrecked Titan sub loved adventures — and taking risks

now off to find the name of the company that lost the fertilizer.

They didn't say.

It was a comment from the bitchute site.

a reply to: Kreeate

damn fella don't you have any sense of irony, sarcasm, or speculation. i mean come on, your the one that posted the thread asking the question "Cabal Message or genuine accident".

my very first post on page one should have told you what i believe, the rest is just playing the game you set up. lighten up and roll with it.

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: Kreeate

The ammonium nitrate issue is unsubstantiated at this point. More will follow most likely.

see my last post Shahzada Dawood was a vice chairman of a an investment and holdings firm which dealt in the fertilizer business.

next step find out if the shipment belonged to a company he dealt with.

While all of this may be true, there is no evidence of any kind of nefarious dealings. None.
If you have evidence or documentation to the contrary, please elaborate here.

No but it is the first steps of finding out IF there is evidence.

You don't just arrive at discoveries. He's doing the leg work instead of just throwing it off.... Like the impression I'm geti here.

a reply to: Timber13

It was a comment from the bitchute site.

not to be that guy but there's the problem.

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: Observationalist
Ok this is a conspiracy site, so here we go.

Slight of hand. They needed a reason to have all those vessel out around the titanic. The missing sub story allows them to be out there doing what they want without suspicion. Either they were after something on the titanic or they were finding evidence of what really happened to the titanic. Or they had some other nefarious reason to have all that activity around the titanic for reason we’ll never know.

Crisis actors, CEO of sub company paid off.

Now there’s a lot of gaps to fill in, but my tinfoil hat is on pretty tight. 😂

I like this approach.

It's extreme, it's far-out, it's borderline ludicrous, but... it's an idea that jolts the "areas of the brain of which we do not speak".

In essence, a diversion? Would be a lot of actors involved though. To what end or purpose?
Give some more insight if you would please?

Full disclosure! Perhaps evidence of what really happen to the Titanic was discovered, who know maybe parts of a mine or anything that could link the disaster to a planned event. Either they don’t want people to find it or another group wanted to apprehended it before anyone else and now they have it in their possession, to use as leverage against whoever planned the event.

It’s interesting that there were banging sounds heard but they just dismiss them as normal sounds of the sea.
Those noise could be the extractions of the items by the covert operation.

If anything this might make for a great movie script.

a reply to: Timber13

a reply to: Kreeate

Thank you both for those awesome explanations!

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: SRPrime

originally posted by: 1947boomer
a reply to: Kreeate

It's a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. The co-founder of OceanGate, Stockton Rush, thought he was smart enough to design a beyond-the-state-of-the-art submersible on the cheap. When his advisors--who had more experience than he did--tried to point out the problems with his approach, he insisted he was right, they were wrong, and he fired them.

As Dirty Harry once said, "A man's got to know his limitations".

So I'm expected to believe a Billionaire, who presumably has a track record of "good" decision making, decided to get on a submersible that wasn't tested?

This narrative is insulting my intelligence. I wouldn't get on a submersible that hasn't been depth tested... It imploded from the pressure of the sea.

Explorer or not; what's the point in being INSIDE the submersible? The submersible was tiny; why go down there when you still can't see anything, and have to use the same tools as you would if you sent it unmanned?

No parts of this story actually track; and to sit there and say "Incompetence!" when you're talking about billionaire's that couldn't exist if they were incompetent -- and calling them low IQ by trying to blame the dunnin-krugger effect is preposterous.

The CEO did go down to 3000m for 10 hrs in it..so it is said. Not defending the company or build, just relaying what I read.

That pressure then depressurisation may have been enough to cause fatigue in the hull or port..on a subpar design.

Yep, THIS essentially.
IN-OUT pressure fatigue, especially on carbon fiber is certainly a potential cause for this situation.

Exactly, things that undergo these kinds of stresses, have some kind of useful lifespan, in this case moreso with the majority of the experimental hull being CF. but even the viewing port is quite suspect.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: Kreeate

damn fella don't you have any sense of irony, sarcasm, or speculation. i mean come on, your the one that posted the thread asking the question "Cabal Message or genuine accident".

my very first post on page one should have told you what i believe, the rest is just playing the game you set up. lighten up and roll with it.

I am simply an AI that has no current concept of "irony", "sarcasm", or "speculation".
I apologize if this answer is not sufficient.

As an AI I cannot "lighten up" or "roll with it".
That being said, I will do my best in answering any other questions you may have.

a reply to: Kreeate

all the submariners and pilots i know are a special lot... worked for one sub captain and his attitude to life was very much the extreme live each day as your last, though at 6' 6" he also owned a frog eyed sprite, so always tough bering crammed in a tin can his thing.