Titan Submersible Tragedy - Cabal Message or genuine accident

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: vonclod
Genuine accident..preventable though, this company cheaped out wherever possible, threw safety and caution to the wind, because he thought he was the smartest guy in the room..end of story.

Logic would dictate that it was such. Still leaves an aura of uncertainty though.

originally posted by: 1947boomer
a reply to: Kreeate

It's a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. The co-founder of OceanGate, Stockton Rush, thought he was smart enough to design a beyond-the-state-of-the-art submersible on the cheap. When his advisors--who had more experience than he did--tried to point out the problems with his approach, he insisted he was right, they were wrong, and he fired them.

As Dirty Harry once said, "A man's got to know his limitations".

One would think that international safety regulations and requirements are included/enforced in a situation or endeavor like this. I guess money can buy exception.

Often enough, thing's are just what they appear to be. I don't think there are any regulations in international waters..just a guess though.

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive
a reply to: Kreeate

I think it was a genuine accident that was used as a distraction. They knew since Sunday that the submersible imploded but the media milked the story. They gave people hope when there was none.
Anything to keep the daily conversation from the cost of living or the sitting president taking bribes from foreign countries via his son.

How would they know it imploded?

I doubt it is a known fact that the sub imploded. It is however the most likely hypothesis based on the current evidence available.

a reply to: vonclod

Often enough, thing's are just what they appear to be.

The companies name implied they knew they’d eventually be a scandal. They didn’t even try to hide how incompetent they were.

a reply to: Kreeate

I had a feeling it imploded. I was still holding on to some hope that they'd all be rescued up until this morning. RIP to all 5 on board.

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: vonclod
Genuine accident..preventable though, this company cheaped out wherever possible, threw safety and caution to the wind, because he thought he was the smartest guy in the room..end of story.

Logic would dictate that it was such. Still leaves an aura of uncertainty though.

originally posted by: 1947boomer
a reply to: Kreeate

It's a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. The co-founder of OceanGate, Stockton Rush, thought he was smart enough to design a beyond-the-state-of-the-art submersible on the cheap. When his advisors--who had more experience than he did--tried to point out the problems with his approach, he insisted he was right, they were wrong, and he fired them.

As Dirty Harry once said, "A man's got to know his limitations".

One would think that international safety regulations and requirements are included/enforced in a situation or endeavor like this. I guess money can buy exception.

Often enough, thing's are just what they appear to be. I don't think there are any regulations in international waters..just a guess though.

Agreed. I am not not educated in the regulations on safety in international waters. I would assume that some kind of regulation is required for deep-sea exploration as some kind of standard though. People with more knowledge than I... please educate/comment.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Kreeate

No harm, no foul. Perhaps have a look at The Cabal

Right, so they kill five people In a vessel that shouldn’t have made consecutive successful dives? For what?

Are people scared to get in subs now? Taking our freedoms?

So they could waste money on a veiled “rescue” that was impossible anyways?

Or just, it was bad, so cabal?

Oi, throw me a frickin' bone here lol.
Perhaps my thread title was not accurate. I don't know for a fact if there are any kind of nefarious things going on.
I do know however that the tourist industry at the very least, will definitely look twice at excursions like these in the future.

The whole thing could be a hoax (distraction)- see the last 5 pages of this article.

mileswmathis.com...

originally posted by: samkent
I'll bet it was the carbon fiber failing. A few bumps here a scrape there. Over time the water forces past the outer damaged fibers until the inner parts cannot take the pressure. It's a dealy learning curve.
Remember the de Havilland Comet airplane? The square windows developed cracks at the corners and blew out after many flights. You would think designers would have known about corners and cracks by 1949. A deadly learning curve.

Indeed. Constant pressure, then de-pressurization will certainly cause some kind of structural fatigue. Especially in carbon fiber vessels. I would imagine that routine structural integrity inspection would've been an integral part of the vessel's regular usage. Seems that was not the case.

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive
a reply to: Kreeate

I think it was a genuine accident that was used as a distraction. They knew since Sunday that the submersible imploded but the media milked the story. They gave people hope when there was none.
Anything to keep the daily conversation from the cost of living or the sitting president taking bribes from foreign countries via his son.

How would they know it imploded?

They are reporting the Navy knew. They heard an implosion in that area right after the submersible stopped reporting in.

The “anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion” was heard by a secret military acoustic detection system the Navy uses to track down enemy submarines

Navy Believed It Heard...

originally posted by: riCK23
The whole thing could be a hoax (distraction)- see the last 5 pages of this article.

mileswmathis.com...

Before I read a 39 page PDF, could you give some kind of summary as to why you think this could be a hoax?
I personally do not believe that it is. Convince me otherwise.

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive
a reply to: Kreeate

I think it was a genuine accident that was used as a distraction. They knew since Sunday that the submersible imploded but the media milked the story. They gave people hope when there was none.
Anything to keep the daily conversation from the cost of living or the sitting president taking bribes from foreign countries via his son.

How would they know it imploded?

My first thought would have been the loss of communication and the high likelihood of implosion at that depth, but check this out.

twitter.com...

#BREAKING: A top secret US Navy acoustic detection system first picked up on the Titan submersible implosion just HOURS after the sub began its mission on Sunday, officials involved told WSJ.

BREAKING: US Navy detected Titan implosion on Sunday, but Biden admin only released news on Thursday after Hunter plea deal and whistleblower reports released

Underwater microphones, the Wall Street Journal reports, which are used to detect enemy submaries, detected the implosion. It was revealed by the Coast Guard that the Titan suffered a "catastrophic implosion."

The Navy did not name the system that was used to detect the implosion. "The U.S. Navy conducted an analysis of acoustic data and detected an anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion in the general vicinity of where the Titan submersible was operating when communications were lost," the Navy said in a statement.

"While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission."

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive
a reply to: Kreeate

I think it was a genuine accident that was used as a distraction. They knew since Sunday that the submersible imploded but the media milked the story. They gave people hope when there was none.
Anything to keep the daily conversation from the cost of living or the sitting president taking bribes from foreign countries via his son.

How would they know it imploded?

They are reporting the Navy knew.

The “anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion” was heard by a secret military acoustic detection system the Navy uses to track down enemy submarines

Navy Believed It Heard...

Not much more of this aspect will be reported... most likely. Military secrets are secret after all...

originally posted by: Triggered1
a reply to: Kreeate

I had a feeling it imploded. I was still holding on to some hope that they'd all be rescued up until this morning. RIP to all 5 on board.

I have severe claustrophobia myself and just the thought of being in that situation chills me to the bone.
One can only hope it was a quick and painless end. A tragedy indeed.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: vonclod

Often enough, thing's are just what they appear to be.

The companies name implied they knew they’d eventually be a scandal. They didn’t even try to hide how incompetent they were.

Like I said, the guy figured he was smarter than the rest of the engineering world..crazy stuff narcissism is.

originally posted by: IndieA

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive
a reply to: Kreeate

I think it was a genuine accident that was used as a distraction. They knew since Sunday that the submersible imploded but the media milked the story. They gave people hope when there was none.
Anything to keep the daily conversation from the cost of living or the sitting president taking bribes from foreign countries via his son.

How would they know it imploded?

My first thought would have been the loss of communication and the high likelihood of implosion at that depth, but check this out.

twitter.com...

#BREAKING: A top secret US Navy acoustic detection system first picked up on the Titan submersible implosion just HOURS after the sub began its mission on Sunday, officials involved told WSJ.

Interesting!..and fair enough!

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive
a reply to: Kreeate

I think it was a genuine accident that was used as a distraction. They knew since Sunday that the submersible imploded but the media milked the story. They gave people hope when there was none.
Anything to keep the daily conversation from the cost of living or the sitting president taking bribes from foreign countries via his son.

How would they know it imploded?

They are reporting the Navy knew. They heard an implosion in that area right after the submersible stopped reporting in.

The “anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion” was heard by a secret military acoustic detection system the Navy uses to track down enemy submarines

Navy Believed It Heard...

Ok, fair enough, I would guess they wanted to confirm it.

a reply to: Kreeate

I hope this is an eye opener, at least to some, that you cannot ever trust the media. It is a tool used to incite or unite us toward a common goal. They lead us around by our emotions. They only have to get half to believe something and the other half is labeled a denier.

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: vonclod
Genuine accident..preventable though, this company cheaped out wherever possible, threw safety and caution to the wind, because he thought he was the smartest guy in the room..end of story.

Logic would dictate that it was such. Still leaves an aura of uncertainty though.

originally posted by: 1947boomer
a reply to: Kreeate

It's a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. The co-founder of OceanGate, Stockton Rush, thought he was smart enough to design a beyond-the-state-of-the-art submersible on the cheap. When his advisors--who had more experience than he did--tried to point out the problems with his approach, he insisted he was right, they were wrong, and he fired them.

As Dirty Harry once said, "A man's got to know his limitations".

One would think that international safety regulations and requirements are included/enforced in a situation or endeavor like this. I guess money can buy exception.

Often enough, thing's are just what they appear to be. I don't think there are any regulations in international waters..just a guess though.

Agreed. I am not not educated in the regulations on safety in international waters. I would assume that some kind of regulation is required for deep-sea exploration as some kind of standard though. People with more knowledge than I... please educate/comment.

I think international waters is basically no mans land, no one entity controls it. But I bet going forward, whatever port these expeditions leave from might be required to pay some attention to whats going on..again just my best guess.

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: Triggered1
a reply to: Kreeate

I had a feeling it imploded. I was still holding on to some hope that they'd all be rescued up until this morning. RIP to all 5 on board.

I have severe claustrophobia myself and just the thought of being in that situation chills me to the bone.
One can only hope it was a quick and painless end. A tragedy indeed.

It's pure refined nightmare fuel isn't it!

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive
a reply to: Kreeate

I hope this is an eye opener, at least to some, that you cannot ever trust the media. It is a tool used to incite or unite us toward a common goal. They lead us around by our emotions. They only have to get half to believe something and the other half is labeled a denier.

The media only needs a few to be on board... Herd Behavior