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Trump Knew the Proper Protocol for Declassifying Records

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posted on May, 18 2023 @ 11:12 AM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: frogs453
So, at that time, after the subpoena,he's now on the job and stated publicly that there were still classified docs on the premises. I posted the link numerous times.


You and others still do not understand all this... The President is outside of the system with full authority to do at their will. A President can never break classification rules or laws no matter what they do.


Honestly, I don't think that is realistic.

No one is above the law.

Eventually, we will know for sure.

With respect, the president is the ultimate authority with respect to classification.
It’s how the process works.
All he has to do is say it’s declassified and it is.
Even if it still has a (c) on the document.



I doubt that.

Eventually this will be settled by the SCOTUS.


Im curious. Have you held a security clearance? You seem very firm in your opinion of how the system works, so I feel like you might. Otherwise, why would you be so certain?



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 11:17 AM
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a reply to: RazorV66

Bragg having the evidence to indict and choosing to do so.

The Fulton County special grand jury not finding in Trump's favor.

There's the whole drama surrounding the special master that you guys were just completely wrong about while I accurately predicted every step of the way.

I've pretty much been right about every case involving Trump while you've wrong about all of them. But that's what happens when you're arguing from a place of knowledge and not a place of feelz.



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: RazorV66

Bragg having the evidence to indict and choosing to do so.

The Fulton County special grand jury not finding in Trump's favor.

There's the whole drama surrounding the special master that you guys were just completely wrong about while I accurately predicted every step of the way.

I've pretty much been right about every case involving Trump while you've wrong about all of them. But that's what happens when you're arguing from a place of knowledge and not a place of feelz.




Another Liberal mental disorder, delusions of grandeur.

I answered your question……
When nothing happens to Trump, will you apologize?



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 11:31 AM
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a reply to: RazorV66

Sure. If this ends up being a nothingburger I'll apologize.

Now how about you tell us what you've been right about in any of these cases.



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 11:38 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Annee
It’s the law.
It’s not in dispute.
You denying such makes you look looney.
It’s why I prefaced my post with respect.
Please take a moment, you are not a flat earther.



Obviously -- it is in dispute.

And will be settled by SCOTUS.

Is the president of the United States of America also the commander in chief of the military?


Is the Commander in Chief of all Armed Forces -- above the law?

No one is above the law.



The questions of whether and to what extent the President has the authority to use the military absent a Congressional declaration of war have proven to be sources of conflict and debate throughout American history. Some scholars believe the Commander in Chief Clause confers expansive powers on the President, but others argue that even if that is the case, the Constitution does not define precisely the extent of those powers. These scholars tend to construe the Clause narrowly, asserting that the Founders gave the President the title to preserve civilian supremacy over the military, not to provide additional powers outside of a Congressional authorization or declaration of war.

After the Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon Administrations spent nearly a decade committing U.S. troops to Southeast Asia without Congressional approval, in 1973 Congress responded by passing the War Powers Resolution. The Resolution sought to halt the erosion of Congress's ability to participate in war-making decisions, an aim furthered by the Resolution's requirement that the President communicate to Congress the commitment of troops within 48 hours. Further, the statute requires the President to remove all troops after 60 days if Congress has not granted an extension.



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 11:42 AM
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originally posted by: CoyoteAngels

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: frogs453
So, at that time, after the subpoena,he's now on the job and stated publicly that there were still classified docs on the premises. I posted the link numerous times.


You and others still do not understand all this... The President is outside of the system with full authority to do at their will. A President can never break classification rules or laws no matter what they do.


Honestly, I don't think that is realistic.

No one is above the law.

Eventually, we will know for sure.

With respect, the president is the ultimate authority with respect to classification.
It’s how the process works.
All he has to do is say it’s declassified and it is.
Even if it still has a (c) on the document.



I doubt that.

Eventually this will be settled by the SCOTUS.


Im curious. Have you held a security clearance? You seem very firm in your opinion of how the system works, so I feel like you might. Otherwise, why would you be so certain?


How is 'doubt' certain?

Would you prefer different wording?

I "expect" this will be settled by the SCOTUS.



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 11:45 AM
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They deflections and "what ifs" are getting thicker 😍



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 11:53 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: RazorV66

Sure. If this ends up being a nothingburger I'll apologize.

Now how about you tell us what you've been right about in any of these cases.


Has Trump been convicted of any of the manufactured crimes that you and the Democrats have accused him of for the last 8 years?
I’ve been right all along saying he has been innocent of them.
That is a 100% fact.



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 11:54 AM
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a reply to: Annee

No one is above the law but they sure ignored him enough though didn't they. Like on January 4th when he asked for the guard to be in DC. Then on the 5th no one got back with him. Then, Ashley Babbitt was shot and killed because they were not prepared for the rioting.

Obama made the changes for documents. EO 13526.

Here is an old article from 2017. When they were 'afraid' he would declassify things about them. Why would they be afraid if he could not declassify them????


While there is still no indication that he based his explosive tweets about the previous administration on anything other than conspiracy theories on the internet, Trump, as commander-in-chief, does have the power to declassify information about national security matters at his whim, legal experts say.


Link



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: Annee

'I doubt it' is a dismissive claim.

The national classification system and all processes and policy concerned with managing classified information resides in the Executive branch.

The POTUS has admin aids that follow the process. Just like all high level managers in all organizations that have business processes. Very few spend their time executing processes any more involved than signatures, electronic or wet.

That some of the processes were followed in some cases does not indict the POTUS. The final days of the admin, the Crossfire Hurricane docs were ordered, via memo below, to be declassified, signed by Trump. By my reading of this memo, this was not the first time Trump ordered this info declassified. It appears that the process had been in some kind of protest from DoJ, DNI and CIA, 3 days before leaving Trump said, nope, it's going to be declassified and made available to FOIA requests.

I suspect these were a lions share of the documents at MAL. The intelligence community fought their release. Now we know why.

trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov... /
edit on 5/18/2023 by CoyoteAngels because: half blind old lady that cant spell either



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 11:58 AM
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a reply to: RazorV66

That wasn't the question. What have you been right about in regards to these open investigations?



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 11:58 AM
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a reply to: CoyoteAngels

I don't accept anything from Trump Whitehouse.

Find an unbiased reference.



edit on 18-5-2023 by Annee because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: CoyoteAngels

I don't accept anything from Trump Whitehouse.

Find an unbiased reference.




Its really true that some people will question the source even when it's straight from the horse's mouth!

This is a .gov site. This is an official white house memo.

I give up. You aren't reasonable.



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 12:05 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Annee

No one is above the law but they sure ignored him enough though didn't they. Like on January 4th when he asked for the guard to be in DC. Then on the 5th no one got back with him. Then, Ashley Babbitt was shot and killed because they were not prepared for the rioting.



What Trump claims and what factually happened -- are rarely the same.



[On. Jan. 4], former acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller issued a memo to the secretary of the Army placing some extremely unusual limits on National Guard forces for that event. It’s not a to-do list. It’s a list of thou shalt nots. A long list. A list that says guard forces can’t arrest any of the pro-Trump protesters, or search them, or even touch them. And that’s just for starters. [...]

It’s clear that these restrictions would have absolutely prevented any guard forces from trying to protect any location.



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 12:06 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: RazorV66

That wasn't the question. What have you been right about in regards to these open investigations?


I’ve said nothing about the open investigations other than I believe he is innocent of them, that they’ve all been manufactured by the Democrats to keep him from running for the presidency.

They will stop at nothing to keep him out…cheating, fraud, lying….they are using the entire contents of a con artist’s playbook.
It is 100% fact that they have done that.

And that is exactly what I have said about all the previous investigations that amounted to NOTHING against Trump.

I’ve been 100% right about all of it.
edit on 18-5-2023 by RazorV66 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: CoyoteAngels

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: CoyoteAngels

I don't accept anything from Trump Whitehouse.

Find an unbiased reference.




Its really true that some people will question the source even when it's straight from the horse's mouth!

This is a .gov site. This is an official white house memo.

I give up. You aren't reasonable.


Why would I trust anything out of Trump's mouth?

Just prove your claim from a neutral site.



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 12:14 PM
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a reply to: Annee

Veering slightly off topic, Trump in 2020 ordered over 5000 NG and law enforcement including out of state NG fully equipped, with weapons and air support, over the objection of the DC mayor. Barr then had to write a letter to Bowser after the fact explaining how Trump did so, which Barr said the NG would undergo training as well, as a way to skirt the Posse Comitatus Act.

So, if Trump wanted NG there, not blocks away on traffic duty, unarmed and warned not to interfere with the protesters, he would have just done what he did previously.



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 12:19 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: CoyoteAngels

I don't accept anything from Trump Whitehouse.

Find an unbiased reference.




Its really true that some people will question the source even when it's straight from the horse's mouth!

This is a .gov site. This is an official white house memo.

I give up. You aren't reasonable.


Why would I trust anything out of Trump's mouth?

Just prove your claim from a neutral site.


How much more neutral than a link to an official presidential record, those all important documents team donkey bays that he stole.

Did you notice this is a '.gov' archive? Spend some time looking at the URL, and the headers.

My gosh, you can lead a horse to water, and they say, give me real water......



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: CoyoteAngels




POTUS is the top dawg in the executive.


POTUS takes an oath to uphold and enforce the laws of the United States Government, not to dictate law, not write laws on the spot and in secret.



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 12:37 PM
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originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: frogs453
So, at that time, after the subpoena,he's now on the job and stated publicly that there were still classified docs on the premises. I posted the link numerous times.


You and others still do not understand all this... The President is outside of the system with full authority to do at their will. A President can never break classification rules or laws no matter what they do.


You're confusing the USA President with The Pope. The USA doesn't have a Pope or a King. The President is the head of the Administrative Branch of the US government and Commander in Chief of the US Military.



That would be the Executive Branch.
Not administrative.


Thank you. I stand corrected.




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