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originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: network dude
As I've explained to you numerous times, it comes down to intent. There's no evidence that Biden packed those documents, unpacked those documents, or even knew they were there.
With Trump more and more evidence keeps coming out that not only was he intentionally holding onto classified documents but that he was also intentionally trying to hide them from investigators.
you get all saucy when you speak law, do it some more.
originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: 1947boomer
Documents marked classified that have been declassified can't have the "classified" marks erased can they? đ
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: 1947boomer
The FBI was following Standard Operating Procedures for crime scene photography. This wasn't their first rodeo.
What other former POTUS has been raided again?
The FBI almost certainly took pictures of the scenes of the Biden documents and the Pence documents, but we don't see them because neither Biden nor Pence are contesting that classified documents were discovered in their possession and there were no court orders required to search the premises--it was all voluntary. The Trump documents were released as part of a court filing because Trump is contesting the issue.
Neither was Trump. Thus the turning over of documents, visits from the feds and the lock on the door.
More hackery from you.
originally posted by: SwissMarked
originally posted by: 1947boomer
originally posted by: SwissMarked
originally posted by: RickinVa
a reply to: Xcalibur254
knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.
Trump claims he had the authority as President. That will be for the courts to decide.
PedoPete doesnât and didnât have that right as VP or Senator⌠so when should we be expecting his perp walk out of the Oval Office⌠đ¤
Nope. Senators and VPs have authority to possess classified information. When they stop being Senators and VPs, they don't, unless they've been given a security clearance by the incoming administration. Same with Presidents. When they're sitting Presidents they can possess classified info all they want. The moment they stop being President, they have no more right to classified info than any other civilian.
Walked right into that one didnât ya Boomer⌠what was PedoPete from 2017 until 2021⌠đ¤
Again, no other former POTUS has done this kind of crap. That's why no other POTUS has been the subject of a search warrant after leaving office.
originally posted by: Khaleesi
a reply to: 1947boomer
Biden was out of office for 4 years. He had possession of those documents during those 4 years.
originally posted by: NorthOfStuffx2
a reply to: 1947boomer
Lack of intent doesnât get you an instant free pass.
Sometimes I donât intend to speed.
I still have to go to court to fight the ticket.
So far that defence hasnât worked out for me.
originally posted by: NorthOfStuffx2
a reply to: 1947boomer
Why did they ask him to put a lock on the door if they had his lawyers attest that there were no more documents?
âAfter the meeting, Trump's attorneys received a letter asking to secure the room, sources told CNN.â
www.businessinsider.com...
originally posted by: 1947boomer
originally posted by: SwissMarked
originally posted by: 1947boomer
originally posted by: SwissMarked
originally posted by: RickinVa
a reply to: Xcalibur254
knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.
Trump claims he had the authority as President. That will be for the courts to decide.
PedoPete doesnât and didnât have that right as VP or Senator⌠so when should we be expecting his perp walk out of the Oval Office⌠đ¤
Nope. Senators and VPs have authority to possess classified information. When they stop being Senators and VPs, they don't, unless they've been given a security clearance by the incoming administration. Same with Presidents. When they're sitting Presidents they can possess classified info all they want. The moment they stop being President, they have no more right to classified info than any other civilian.
Walked right into that one didnât ya Boomer⌠what was PedoPete from 2017 until 2021⌠đ¤
He was the same as Pence and Trump, an ex-government official who no longer had authority to possess classified information.
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
The National Archives has informed former president Donald Trump that it is set to hand over to special counsel Jack Smith 16 records which show Trump and his top advisers had knowledge of the correct declassification process while he was president, according to multiple sources.
In a May 16 letter obtained by CNN, acting Archivist Debra Steidel Wall writes to Trump, âThe 16 records in question all reflect communications involving close presidential advisers, some of them directed to you personally, concerning whether, why, and how you should declassify certain classified records.â
Source
It's been revealed earlier this year Jack Smith subpoenaed NARA to turn over 16 documents that illustrate that Trump was aware of the proper protocol on declassifying documents.
Acting Archivist Debra Steidel Wall has now sent a letter to Trump that she is about to hand over the subpoenaed documents. Wall states in her letter that, "The 16 records in question all reflect communications involving close presidential advisers, some of them directed to you personally, concerning whether, why, and how you should declassify certain classified records."
These documents could undercut Trump's argument that he could declassify documents with his mind. It also establishes that Trump intentionally retained possession of these documents even though they had not gone through the proper declassification process.
Experts are speculating that Smith may be wrapping up his investigations. All of his major witnesses have testified before the grand juries. So this latest development certainly seems more like he's now prepping for a court room battle and is no longer focused on the indictment stage.
originally posted by: 1947boomer
originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: 1947boomer
Documents marked classified that have been declassified can't have the "classified" marks erased can they? đ
Formally, a document that was originally classified but went through the declassification process should have a strike through the original classification level marking and a stamp on it that says "Declassified" along with a notation of when it was declassified and initials of the declassifying officer. At least that's how I always saw it when I was looking at NARA files.
If the documents seized at Mar-a-Lago didn't have those markings, that's a good indication that Trump didn't really declassify them.
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: RickinVa
As a theoretical expert, what do you think would happen to someone that intentionally removed classified material from a SCIF, brought it home, lied about having classified material, and then evidence emerged that they did in fact have classified material stored in their home and they may have been showing it to people that lacked the proper classification?