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Trump Knew the Proper Protocol for Declassifying Records

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posted on May, 17 2023 @ 08:54 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: network dude

As I've explained to you numerous times, it comes down to intent. There's no evidence that Biden packed those documents, unpacked those documents, or even knew they were there.

With Trump more and more evidence keeps coming out that not only was he intentionally holding onto classified documents but that he was also intentionally trying to hide them from investigators.


you get all saucy when you speak law, do it some more.


Which is very strange, because they appear not to know anything about law whatsoever until Trump is involved.



posted on May, 17 2023 @ 08:54 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: 1947boomer

Documents marked classified that have been declassified can't have the "classified" marks erased can they? 😁


Formally, a document that was originally classified but went through the declassification process should have a strike through the original classification level marking and a stamp on it that says "Declassified" along with a notation of when it was declassified and initials of the declassifying officer. At least that's how I always saw it when I was looking at NARA files.

If the documents seized at Mar-a-Lago didn't have those markings, that's a good indication that Trump didn't really declassify them.



posted on May, 17 2023 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: 1947boomer



The FBI was following Standard Operating Procedures for crime scene photography. This wasn't their first rodeo.


What other former POTUS has been raided again?



The FBI almost certainly took pictures of the scenes of the Biden documents and the Pence documents, but we don't see them because neither Biden nor Pence are contesting that classified documents were discovered in their possession and there were no court orders required to search the premises--it was all voluntary. The Trump documents were released as part of a court filing because Trump is contesting the issue.


Neither was Trump. Thus the turning over of documents, visits from the feds and the lock on the door.

More hackery from you.


Mar-a-Lago wasn't searched until AFTER Trump turned over some of the documents in January and then again in June, put a lock on the door, and had his lawyer sign the affidavit saying all the classified-marked documents were returned. The photos were released by the DOJ in late August 2022 in response to a law suit that Trump filed in the court of Judge Aileen Cannon seeking to prevent the seized documents from being used against him. He was contesting the case at that time and that's when the DOJ released the photos to prove that they had a case.

Again, no other former POTUS has done this kind of crap. That's why no other POTUS has been the subject of a search warrant after leaving office.



posted on May, 17 2023 @ 09:12 PM
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originally posted by: SwissMarked

originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: SwissMarked

originally posted by: RickinVa
a reply to: Xcalibur254

knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

Trump claims he had the authority as President. That will be for the courts to decide.


PedoPete doesn’t and didn’t have that right as VP or Senator… so when should we be expecting his perp walk out of the Oval Office… 🤔


Nope. Senators and VPs have authority to possess classified information. When they stop being Senators and VPs, they don't, unless they've been given a security clearance by the incoming administration. Same with Presidents. When they're sitting Presidents they can possess classified info all they want. The moment they stop being President, they have no more right to classified info than any other civilian.


Walked right into that one didn’t ya Boomer… what was PedoPete from 2017 until 2021… 🤔


He was the same as Pence and Trump, an ex-government official who no longer had authority to possess classified information.



posted on May, 17 2023 @ 09:12 PM
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a reply to: 1947boomer

Again, what other potus has been raided?




Again, no other former POTUS has done this kind of crap. That's why no other POTUS has been the subject of a search warrant after leaving office.


We only know what a disgraced agency wants us to hear.

However that doesnt stop the gullible from parotting what the teeveee tells them.

Stay kept.



posted on May, 17 2023 @ 09:16 PM
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originally posted by: Khaleesi
a reply to: 1947boomer

Biden was out of office for 4 years. He had possession of those documents during those 4 years.


That's correct. And if he had done it with intent to keep it and had obstructed justice in the attempt to investigate his keeping of it, he would be in deep doo-doo. But he didn't, and neither did Mike Pence. That's why they will both be treated differently than Trump.



posted on May, 17 2023 @ 09:22 PM
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a reply to: 1947boomer

Why did they ask him to put a lock on the door if they had his lawyers attest that there were no more documents?

“After the meeting, Trump's attorneys received a letter asking to secure the room, sources told CNN.“

www.businessinsider.com...



posted on May, 17 2023 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: 1947boomer

Lack of intent doesn’t get you an instant free pass.

Sometimes I don’t intend to speed.

I still have to go to court to fight the ticket.

So far that defence hasn’t worked out for me.




posted on May, 17 2023 @ 09:44 PM
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originally posted by: NorthOfStuffx2
a reply to: 1947boomer

Lack of intent doesn’t get you an instant free pass.

Sometimes I don’t intend to speed.

I still have to go to court to fight the ticket.

So far that defence hasn’t worked out for me.



Exactly.
Wasn’t there a US Navy sailor some time back that happened to take some photos inside a submarine to show his family where he worked or something like that.
No intent but he was locked up.



posted on May, 17 2023 @ 09:47 PM
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originally posted by: NorthOfStuffx2
a reply to: 1947boomer

Why did they ask him to put a lock on the door if they had his lawyers attest that there were no more documents?

“After the meeting, Trump's attorneys received a letter asking to secure the room, sources told CNN.“

www.businessinsider.com...



Because they were suspicious not all had been returned and it was not secured properly. Contrary to what the former President claims about the lock, the court documents stated that they requested an additional lock until Trump's team heard back further from them.

Remember they were informed by someone close to him about these documents as well and immediately served a subpoena for the security video which we have heard showed boxes of documents being moved out of the secure area after being served the subpoena but before the feds came for the docs.

Another issue regarding classified/declassified. In the official request for declassifying the Crossfire docs, which is very official and available online, we see Trump agreed to certain redactions of information regarding individuals. So he is aware redactions are sometimes necessary. We've heard he had classified Humint docs at MAL after the subpoena. So beyond his right hand guy saying some docs were still classified, he apparently never had the proper people make the redactions that would be extremely necessary on Humint docs. Again which he is aware is a necessity as those docs are about intelligence sources. I mean unless as he said, he didn't "really" show anybody classified info, though he could, and he wanted them to see the intelligence people's indentity, location, etc. Who knows with him. Heck he was asking Kid Rocks opinion on NK and showing him maps previously that made Kid Rock question if he should even be seeing that info, so again. Who knows.



posted on May, 17 2023 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: SwissMarked

originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: SwissMarked

originally posted by: RickinVa
a reply to: Xcalibur254

knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

Trump claims he had the authority as President. That will be for the courts to decide.


PedoPete doesn’t and didn’t have that right as VP or Senator… so when should we be expecting his perp walk out of the Oval Office… 🤔


Nope. Senators and VPs have authority to possess classified information. When they stop being Senators and VPs, they don't, unless they've been given a security clearance by the incoming administration. Same with Presidents. When they're sitting Presidents they can possess classified info all they want. The moment they stop being President, they have no more right to classified info than any other civilian.


Walked right into that one didn’t ya Boomer… what was PedoPete from 2017 until 2021… 🤔


He was the same as Pence and Trump, an ex-government official who no longer had authority to possess classified information.


So again… when should we expect to see him perp walked out of the Oval Office… 😘



posted on May, 17 2023 @ 10:01 PM
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a reply to: 1947boomer
You don't know what his intent was. Neither do I. Arguing about intent is probably one of the most disingenuous things I have ever seen.

Saying Trump had intentions of ... whatever, and Biden didn't just shows your bias. I make no claims of intentions or lack thereof by either of them. The fact remains that Trump had the ability to declassified anything he chose to while he was President. Whether he did or not can be discussed and argued ad infinitum. It is also a fact that Biden as a Senator and as VP may have had the ability to possess those documents but he never had the ability to declassify them. Especially while he was out of office for 4 years.



posted on May, 17 2023 @ 10:55 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254

The National Archives has informed former president Donald Trump that it is set to hand over to special counsel Jack Smith 16 records which show Trump and his top advisers had knowledge of the correct declassification process while he was president, according to multiple sources.

In a May 16 letter obtained by CNN, acting Archivist Debra Steidel Wall writes to Trump, “The 16 records in question all reflect communications involving close presidential advisers, some of them directed to you personally, concerning whether, why, and how you should declassify certain classified records.”

Source

It's been revealed earlier this year Jack Smith subpoenaed NARA to turn over 16 documents that illustrate that Trump was aware of the proper protocol on declassifying documents.

Acting Archivist Debra Steidel Wall has now sent a letter to Trump that she is about to hand over the subpoenaed documents. Wall states in her letter that, "The 16 records in question all reflect communications involving close presidential advisers, some of them directed to you personally, concerning whether, why, and how you should declassify certain classified records."

These documents could undercut Trump's argument that he could declassify documents with his mind. It also establishes that Trump intentionally retained possession of these documents even though they had not gone through the proper declassification process.

Experts are speculating that Smith may be wrapping up his investigations. All of his major witnesses have testified before the grand juries. So this latest development certainly seems more like he's now prepping for a court room battle and is no longer focused on the indictment stage.

More made up anti trump dnc government bs.
Keep crying wolf BAMN people.



posted on May, 17 2023 @ 11:17 PM
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So much discussion, but not a single source in Washington DC (or on ATS) has shown these "Official Government Rules for the United States President to Declassify Classified Materials."

WHERE ARE THESE RULES?

LINK PLEASE?



edit on 5/17/2023 by carewemust because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 17 2023 @ 11:26 PM
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originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: 1947boomer

Documents marked classified that have been declassified can't have the "classified" marks erased can they? 😁


Formally, a document that was originally classified but went through the declassification process should have a strike through the original classification level marking and a stamp on it that says "Declassified" along with a notation of when it was declassified and initials of the declassifying officer. At least that's how I always saw it when I was looking at NARA files.

If the documents seized at Mar-a-Lago didn't have those markings, that's a good indication that Trump didn't really declassify them.


There is a memo on a public govt server that shows 3 days ahead of leaving office, Trump AGAIN directed the Doj, DNI, and CIA to declassify the Crossfire Hurricane docs and make them available for FOIA requests. I can post it for you if you do not believe me, but it will take a bit for me to find it on this tablet.

The point is, its declassified the moment the POTUS signs the memo. No one else needs approve it. It's a done deal. The process should be followed to change the markings by the agency that classified the material, when they get around to it.

It's all digitized. It doesn't quite work the way it was all in file cabinets.
edit on 5/17/2023 by CoyoteAngels because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 04:56 AM
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a reply to: NorthOfStuffx2

Because there were still Presidential Records located in the storage locker that rightfully belonged to the government. The subpoena only ordered Trump to turn over documents with classified markings.



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 04:59 AM
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a reply to: Khaleesi

Trump refused to turn the documents over for a year. When he was subpoenaed, he had documents moved to his office and had his lawyers lie that all documents had been handed over. This is clear evidence that Trump knowingly possessed these documents and intentionally refused to turn them over despite a court order.

None of that evidence exists in Biden or Pence's case.



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 05:00 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

So the letter sent by the Archivist to Trump doesn't exist?



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 05:19 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: RickinVa

As a theoretical expert, what do you think would happen to someone that intentionally removed classified material from a SCIF, brought it home, lied about having classified material, and then evidence emerged that they did in fact have classified material stored in their home and they may have been showing it to people that lacked the proper classification?


Was it stored in a box next to the corvette?



posted on May, 18 2023 @ 05:24 AM
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a reply to: JinMI

What other President has intentionally hid subpoenaed documents from investigators and has his lawyers lie about it?




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