Trump Knew the Proper Protocol for Declassifying Records

a reply to: matafuchs

None of Mueller's convictions or conclusions were based off the Steele Dossier.

originally posted by: SwissMarked

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: CoyoteAngels

POTUS is the top dawg in the executive.

POTUS takes an oath to uphold and enforce the laws of the United States Government, not to dictate law, not write laws on the spot and in secret.

Do you know what an “executive order” is… I’m guessing not… you’re hero Zero signed hundreds of them… if they’re illegal than lock the usurper up… 🤣🤣🤣

Yeah, I know what an EO is. I'm asking you to show me the one that Trump signed that gives him the power to declassify documents based on his actions or with his mind.

You know that's exactly what Trump claimed to have done in his most recent interview with Sean Hannity, right?
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: SwissMarked

34 indictments.

Against Trump… I missed that… links? 🤣🤣🤣

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: SwissMarked

Have you read the Mueller Report?

Yeah… have you?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: matafuchs

None of Mueller's convictions or conclusions were based off the Steele Dossier.

That’s an absolute lie… they all were… that was the basis for the entire witch hunt… I’m done with you… you are nothing more than a liberal troll or possibly a bot… thanks for playing… 😘

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: SwissMarked

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: CoyoteAngels

POTUS is the top dawg in the executive.

POTUS takes an oath to uphold and enforce the laws of the United States Government, not to dictate law, not write laws on the spot and in secret.

Do you know what an “executive order” is… I’m guessing not… you’re hero Zero signed hundreds of them… if they’re illegal than lock the usurper up… 🤣🤣🤣

Yeah, I know what an EO is. I'm asking you to show me the one that Trump signed that gives him the power to declassify documents based on his actions or with his mind.

You know that's exactly what Trump claimed to have done in his most recent interview with Sean Hannity, right?
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That was established before he became President… you’re the one saying he’s the one that did it… so you prove it… 😘

a reply to: SwissMarked

Then you know, The Trump clan tried as they might to collude with Russia, but they were just too inept, and their involvment would have only hindered The Kremlins election meddling.

a reply to: SwissMarked

Where in the Mueller Report is the Steele Dossier used as justification for anything?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: SwissMarked

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: CoyoteAngels

POTUS is the top dawg in the executive.

POTUS takes an oath to uphold and enforce the laws of the United States Government, not to dictate law, not write laws on the spot and in secret.

Do you know what an “executive order” is… I’m guessing not… you’re hero Zero signed hundreds of them… if they’re illegal than lock the usurper up… 🤣🤣🤣

Yeah, I know what an EO is. I'm asking you to show me the one that Trump signed that gives him the power to declassify documents based on his actions or with his mind.

You know that's exactly what Trump claimed to have done in his most recent interview with Sean Hannity, right?
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POTUS as CIC can unilaterally declassify anything speaking on live TV/stream to the entire planet and has not committed any crime.

The idea that any lesser actions than what I describe above (a maximal action that is 100% legal) would, for some obscure regulatory or legal reason (designed to cover “everyone” who is not POTUS/CiC), rise to the level of a criminal act by POTUS/CiC is not merely wrong — it is laughable.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: SwissMarked

Then you know, The Trump clan tried as they might to collude with Russia, but they were just too inept, and their involvment would have only hindered The Kremlins election meddling.

Not everyone can be as competent at breaking the law as PedoPete and Legislative Democrats let’s just pretend there’s no Chinese Collusion or as you stated “Trumpers were too stupid to pull it off”… not really something to hang your hat on sweetheart… 🤣🤣🤣

a reply to: JohnTitorSociety

POTUS as CIC can unilaterally declassify anything speaking on live TV/stream to the entire planet and has not committed any crime.

With his mind, and/ or by the very action of his removing, or authorizing the removal, of classified documents from a secure facility?

You sure about that?

a reply to: SwissMarked

That was established before he became President…

That's Trump's claim. You got any precedent for that though? Or, is that Trump just make stuff up, you know, fabricating laws and rules with his mind.

The whole "the President can de-classify anything they want" is a tricky question.

If Trump can be allowed to do it, then the precedence is set for all future Presidents. Than could potentially be dangerous, as who knows what a future President might make public.

The problem in my mind is that Hillary was allowed to skate for classification issues, everybody was given immunity. Jake Sullivan took classified information off the high side and sent it out over the low side. Anybody who does that should have their clearance revoked at a bare minimum. Where is Jake Sullivan today? Not in jail. Still has a clearance.

The difference in the way the two things have been handled is extremely obvious. The question everyone should ask is why one person from a different political party was given a free pass on similar violations that a person from the opposite party is persecuted for.

I think we all know why.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: JohnTitorSociety

POTUS as CIC can unilaterally declassify anything speaking on live TV/stream to the entire planet and has not committed any crime.

With his mind, and/ or by the very action of his removing, or authorizing the removal, of classified documents from a secure facility?

You sure about that?

Why did you dodge the highly relevant maximalist example in your reply?

But also, yes absolutely.

The President can decide something is unclassified without telling anyone and without speaking, there are probably several national security scenarios anyone could conceive of as to why this would be a potentially useful thing to do (one example below).

And also yes, classification is about restricting access to information, if the President decides to livestream from inside a SCIF or just collect -any- document he or she wants is de facto declassification.

The rules & regs are designed to help the people who work -for- the CIC to correctly know if something is or isn’t classified, but the CIC has no legal duty to inform anyone in this regard.

Here’s an example using the concept of a Barium Meal Trap (aka a canary trap):

1) POTUS is advised one of his cabinet members is a double agent and spy, but no one knows the country.
2) POTUS sua sponte declassifies something and gives it to the spy in his cabinet.
3) IC can then determine which country the spy is working on behalf of.

None of this is remotely questionable — the President indisputably has unitary and plenary power to declassify anything at any time by any means known to man now and/or in the future.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Nice one but you know exactly what I am talking about. They are all connected and you know it. Why would anyone think that Obama and HRC would not use anything in their means to win? Really? These people are cutt-throat.

They just did not pad the votes enough. They went off polling. This is why they cancelled her celebration in NYC over a week early.

a reply to: RickinVa

The other part of that is if Trump is allowed to say he declared the documents unclassified with his mind, what's to stop Biden from saying that he declared them classified again the second he became President?

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Has he done that?

Is that constitutional, to classify unclassified documents unseen?


Now theres a SCOTUS case.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: RickinVa

The other part of that is if Trump is allowed to say he declared the documents unclassified with his mind, what's to stop Biden from saying that he declared them classified again the second he became President?

Once any President declassifies something, subsequent Presidents cannot reclassify that information, for several reasons.

One, “public information” generally cannot be classified.

Two, there are laws that govern reclassification (two below), and they are explicit that only “information that has not previously been disclosed” may be reclassified.

Relevant laws:
“Information that has not previously been disclosed to the public under proper authority may be classified or reclassified after an agency has received a request for it under the Freedom of Information Act (5 U.S.C. 552) or the Privacy Act of 1974 (5 U.S.C.”

a reply to: JohnTitorSociety

The rules & regs are designed to help the people who work -for- the CIC to correctly know if something is or isn’t classified, but the CIC has no legal duty to inform anyone in this regard.

BS!

If no one is informed, how is anything classified or unclassified?

Get real! We don't live in a telepathic society. This isn't "I Dream of Jeannie"! Things don't "happen" because the President thinks about it. The USA isgoverned and operates under a HUUUUGE bureaucracy that thrives on documentation and red tape.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

The USA isgoverned and operates under a HUUUUGE bureaucracy that thrives on documentation and red tape.

Which serve at the pleasure of the POTUS who has plenary authority.


Pretty simple really.