Trump Knew the Proper Protocol for Declassifying Records

a reply to: Annee

It is not a Trump claim. The ones who say it did not happen are the House Committee Investigation into 1/6. Miller is the same person who days prior sent memos to not send troops. He did not follow the orders of a POTUS. Same thing happened on 1/6. They would not bring Trump into the conversation and delayed the response.

So, you believe the man who sent a memo to prevent and then when testifying said nothing was done.

Those who wanted this to be pushed through are lying but please continue to believe the media.

Linlk

The final report states that Washington, D.C., National Guard head Maj. Gen. William Walker “strongly” considered sending his troops without specific orders from the White House or top Defense Department officials, but ultimately held off. “Guard officials located with Major General Walker at the Armory all say he seriously contemplated aloud the possibility of breaking with the chain of command,” according to the report. “‘Should we just deploy now and resign tomorrow?’ [an officer] recalled Major General Walker bluntly putting it.” Walker told the committee he “would have done just that,” had acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller and Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy not sent out two memos just days earlier. Those documents restricted National Guard deployments around the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, over fears they could be viewed as too political.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: CoyoteAngels

POTUS is the top dawg in the executive.

POTUS takes an oath to uphold and enforce the laws of the United States Government, not to dictate law, not write laws on the spot and in secret.

POTUS can write EOs to change policy in the executive any time he wants. You know, like Obama said 'stroke of the pen, law of the land'.

Classification processes reside in the executive.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

"Documents exist showing Trump is aware of the classification protocol. Those documents were subpoenaed."


Documents like this one???
freebeacon.com...


Here is the form itself:

www.dni.gov...

1. (U) Intending to be legally bound, I hereby accept the obligations contained in this Agreement in consideration of my being granted access to information or material protected within Special Access Programs, hereinafter referred to in this Agreement as Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI). I have been advised that SCI involves or derives from intelligence sources or methods and is classified or is in process of a classification determination under the standards of Executive Order 13526 or other Executive order or statute. I understand and accept that by being granted access to SCI, special confidence and trust shall be placed in me by the United States Government.

2. (U) I hereby acknowledge that I have received a security indoctrination concerning the nature and protection of SCI, including the procedures to be followed in ascertaining whether other persons to whom I contemplate disclosing this information or material have been approved for access to it, and I understand these procedures. I understand that I may be required to sign subsequent agreements upon being granted access to different categories of SCI. I further understand that all my obligations under this agreement continue to exist whether or not I am required to sign such subsequent agreements.

3. (U) I have been advised that the unauthorized disclosure, unauthorized retention, or negligent handling of SCI by me could cause irreparable injury to the United States or be used to advantage by a foreign nation. I hereby agree that I will never divulge anything marked as SCI or that I know to be SCI to anyone who is not authorized to receive it without prior written authorization from the United States Government department or agency (hereinafter Department or Agency) that last authorized my access to SCI. I understand that it is my responsibility to consult with appropriate management authorities in the Department or Agency that last authorized my access to SCI, whether or not I am still employed by or associated with that Department or Agency or a contractor thereof, in order to ensure that I know whether information or material within my knowledge or control that I have reason to believe might be, or related to or derived from SCI, is considered by such Department or Agency to be SCI. I further understand that I am also obligated by law and regulation not to disclose any classified information or material in an unauthorized fashion.

a reply to: Annee
Annie, it makes the president the ultimate clearance authority.
He can classify and declassify as he likes.
All it takes is he is word.


This isn’t a discussion. It’s an inherent power of the presidency.
This isn’t separation of powers issue.
There are no procedures that supersede his authority.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Annee
Annie, it makes the president the ultimate clearance authority.
He can classify and declassify as he likes.
All it takes is he is word.


This isn’t a discussion. It’s an inherent power of the presidency.
This isn’t separation of powers issue.
There are no procedures that supersede his authority.

You deserve an award for patience, as do many care workers.

The president has absolute authority to declassify anything, he doesn’t have to follow ANY procedures to declassify documents.

a reply to: RickinVa

As SoS, Hillary was bound by different rules than the POTUS.

Put simply: Is the Executive Head subject to his own Orders? Keep in mind, if it was the head's orders in the first place, then they can be changed, revoked, etc. This is the argument in a nutshell.

Anyone notice how the "Gang of 8" went silent after the DOJ let them see these documents, declassified (but still not made public) by President Trump?

They were allowed to see these in April 2023: www.federalregister.gov... ation

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: RickinVa

As SoS, Hillary was bound by different rules than the POTUS.

Put simply: Is the Executive Head subject to his own Orders? Keep in mind, if it was the head's orders in the first place, then they can be changed, revoked, etc. This is the argument in a nutshell.

It's above my pay grade. Trump claims it's different because he was president. That will have to be determined by the courts if it goes that far.

Under normal circumstances, there are guidelines on the declassification of information.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

POTUS can write EOs to change policy in the executive any time he wants.

Any EOs Trump wrote and signed would be a matter of public record. Got a record of his EO that gives President Trump the right to declassify documents with his mind, or actions?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

he didn't write it, he thought it. With his mind.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: CoyoteAngels

POTUS can write EOs to change policy in the executive any time he wants.

Any EOs Trump wrote and signed would be a matter of public record. Got a record of his EO that gives President Trump the right to declassify documents with his mind, or actions?

1st page,1st response.

a reply to: shooterbrody

C'mon it is because it is Trump. CornPop was a cool dude and he declassified all my documents in the garage....

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Sookiechacha

he didn't write it, he thought it. With his mind.

LOL Star for you!

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: Annee

Veering slightly off topic, Trump in 2020 ordered over 5000 NG and law enforcement including out of state NG fully equipped, with weapons and air support, over the objection of the DC mayor. Barr then had to write a letter to Bowser after the fact explaining how Trump did so, which Barr said the NG would undergo training as well, as a way to skirt the Posse Comitatus Act.

So, if Trump wanted NG there, not blocks away on traffic duty, unarmed and warned not to interfere with the protesters, he would have just done what he did previously.

Thank you.

I'm aware Trump does/says a lot of things.

It's the follow-up --- or lack of --- you have to pay attention to.

a reply to: RickinVa

Yes, there are guidelines, and a process. It depends on the roles in the process. The POTUS has a unique role, in that anything can be declassified or classified by the POTUS. For all others, they can classify, and then only declassify what they classified. Put simply. This is what would apply to VP and SoS etc.

Do you think the POTUS writes his own memos? He has admin aids that do that. So yeah, he can say to them, if I take some printed docs with me, then automatically start the declassification process for them. When he made his statement about he can do it with his mind, it was just him saying the same thing most of us are saying, just he said it badly.

Classified material is no longer stored in file cabinets. It's all digitized and on a private separate network.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: CoyoteAngels

POTUS can write EOs to change policy in the executive any time he wants.

Any EOs Trump wrote and signed would be a matter of public record. Got a record of his EO that gives President Trump the right to declassify documents with his mind, or actions?

1st page,1st response.

Any presidential plenary powers the president may, or may not have, do not exempt the President's EOs from the public record. Got that public record?

a reply to: CoyoteAngels


Classified material is no longer stored in file cabinets. It's all digitized and on a private separate network.


There are still tons that have not been digitized. Computers in the scif's I managed had no usb ports. Anything that was downloaded in the scif, there are records indicating, time, material, and who was logged on when it occurred.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

As far as I know, Trump didn't change any policy concerning declassification processes. It's always been the way it is, i.e. full presidential power to classify and declassify without approval or higher authority.

If he says, its declassified, its declassified. He can tell someone later to start the process. He doesn't need to wait for any higher authority to do anything.

Why is this so difficult to grasp?

originally posted by: RickinVa
a reply to: CoyoteAngels


Classified material is no longer stored in file cabinets. It's all digitized and on a private separate network.


There are still tons that have not been digitized. Computers in the scif's I managed had no usb ports. Anything that was downloaded in the scif, there are records indicating, time, material, and who was logged on when it occurred.

Correct. There is tons of stuff still not digitized. Most newer product is, I'd bet.

And yes, you are correct about usb. Printed docs were supposed to be shredded, but being the Oval office, or anywhere the POTUS is, access is probably a bit different for him, but as you said 'above my pay grade'.